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If you have not reviewed:

Most likely you will all see the following story in your paper today? https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...t-520pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.0fe56048704f

* Note the 5th pp - where it says no evidence the Russian dude got the message / no evidence the meeting ever took place


Next - this story: http://truepundit.com/exclusive-six...tel-used-as-front-to-spy-on-campaign-for-nsa/

* In order to run Washington Post story - they have just admitted to spying on Trump.



Sessions and Special Investigators are not publicly on this.....




 
#2
They are so afraid of losing FISA I wonder if we will ever get the whole truth? I have said it before, how clean Trump must be to withstand the full force of abusive Federal powers. The worst part is 1/2 of the Country is ok with it.
 
#3
Half the country would welcome the NKVD... and sending anyone who loves the Constitution to re-education camps and Gulags.

But the press laughed at the idea that anyone was listening in on The Donald. Sorry. President The Donald.

Now that it has proven true... the press is saying "Well, it was ok because he was talking to Russians."

The 'deep state' is what our founding fathers were afraid of. Political dynasties, professional political-types... and a massively partisan bureaucracy committed to run America, no matter what The People want.

IMHO, this is our last chance to right the ship.

I think we can. I bet ArmyJerry disagrees.... eloquently.

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
Half the country would welcome the NKVD... and sending anyone who loves the Constitution to re-education camps and Gulags.

But the press laughed at the idea that anyone was listening in on The Donald. Sorry. President The Donald.

Now that it has proven true... the press is saying "Well, it was ok because he was talking to Russians."

The 'deep state' is what our founding fathers were afraid of. Political dynasties, professional political-types... and a massively partisan bureaucracy committed to run America, no matter what The People want.

IMHO, this is our last chance to right the ship.

I think we can. I bet ArmyJerry disagrees.... eloquently.

Cheers,

Sirhr
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As much stock as I put in your opinion sir(which is a helluva lot more than most any other yankee alive..) I dont think any peaceful method will work in unseating said deep state. Im all ears for trying more new nonviolent ways to "right the ship" but seem to have exhausted my own imagination on that front. By my observation, these types have entrenched themselves so well that anything short of sending in the tunnel rats with flashlights and 1911s to drag em out 1-by-1 kicking and screaming just wont get the job done.
Reminds me, gotta check out the new Ken Burns 'Nam documentary! Mr Burns seems to put together some good stuff, I hope he covered the early 1959-1964 CIA days equally as much as the post-65 .mil takeover. Regardless, bound to be a good one if past work is anything to go by.. cheers to you and yours sir
 
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Well I am going to try and stay positive. If Obamagate was ok? Then Trump should just use the NSA as a tool in all future elections. Turn about is said to be fair play!
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
As much stock as I put in your opinion sir (which is a helluva lot more than most any other yankee alive..) I don't think any peaceful method will work in unseating said deep state. Im all ears for trying more new nonviolent ways to "right the ship" but seem to have exhausted my own imagination on that front. By my observation, these types have entrenched themselves so well that anything short of sending in the tunnel rats with flashlights and 1911s to drag em out 1-by-1 kicking and screaming just wont get the job done.
Reminds me, gotta check out the new Ken Burns 'Nam documentary! Mr Burns seems to put together some good stuff, I hope he covered the early 1959-1964 CIA days equally as much as the post-65 .mil takeover. Regardless, bound to be a good one if past work is anything to go by.. cheers to you and yours sir
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I will start off by stating "In all due respect" to those of you who are Ken Burns fans. I have seen a number of his documentaries. I have not seen very much of his documentary of the American Civil War, but I have had many people tell me it is spectacular. I can accept that and not condemn a person for presenting a subject like that in an apparently un-biased fashion. I had heard that he was/is of a very liberal bent, but in spite of that, I attempted to watch his documentary of the US National Parks. I got to the second or third episode and could not go on any longer. I finally had to turn it off. The liberal/environmental mindset and bias was so bad, I just couldn't sit through any more.

Personally, I have gotten to the point that I, in good conscience, cannot support any media figure that does not support this country and our heritage. Probably, to my detriment, Ken Burns fits in to that category. If he were to publish any of his works that were not subliminally undermining the management and direction of this country, I would feel differently about his works. But, from what I have seen, he is merely another mouthpiece that is no different than the hacks of the MSM, albeit somewhat more subliminally. I do feel bad, because I do think he has done some incredibly good work, but he does have a bias that is in contradiction with this country's and citizen's best interests. As a result, his presentations and content seem to be in conflict with what I feel is right for this country.

I would go so far as to suggest that any of you that are Ken Burns fans, give consideration to actually boycotting his works because of his subliminal, liberal, globalist agenda that is contrary to this country's best interests. The choice is your's and your's alone. We all have the right to believe what we do and for the reasons that we have. I have no expectation that you "jump on board" with this idea. I just ask that you give it some consideration. The same holds true of Amazon.com, Microsoft and Columbia sportswear, among many, many other organizations that support globalization over our freedom.

Thanks very much,
 
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I think that electing Trump was only one of several necessary steps toward unseating the deep state. What it has achieved is to bring the deep state out into the open. The deep state thinks it's entrenched sufficiently to operate out in the open now. They may be right, They will be right if they are not irrevocably opposed.

The electoral process is crucial, and still has much to achieve, but it's not going to do the job for the folks who elected Trump. They are going to have to deal more directly with the underlying threat than by simply stepping up once every couple for years and casting a vote.

They need to confront their counterparts, one on one, face to face, and use more persuasive means to achieve the onerous task of righting this state's ship. If collars must be grasped, then so be it.

One does not counter decades of calculated subversion, duplicity, and entrenchment by simply saying, no we don't want that. We've already said that, the deep state has simply said "so what?", and the needed task still remains largely incomplete. Trying to convince them is akin to trying to convince the tiger to abandon his stripes. Won't happen; it can't happen. It takes more, a lot more.

We don't need a revolution because we already have one. Folks just don't yet understand the nature of this beast. It will not be waged from atop bar stools, or from seats in the congregation.

It requires standing on hind legs and baring teeth, and whatever follows, until a conclusion is reached.

Greg
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
I will start off by stating "In all due respect" to those of you who are Ken Burns fans. I have seen a number of his documentaries. I have not seen very much of his documentary of the American Civil War, but I have had many people tell me it is spectacular. I can accept that and not condemn a person for presenting a subject like that in an apparently un-biased fashion. I had heard that he was/is of a very liberal bent, but in spite of that, I attempted to watch his documentary of the US National Parks. I got to the second or third episode and could not go on any longer. I finally had to turn it off. The liberal/environmental mindset and bias was so bad, I just couldn't sit through any more.

Personally, I have gotten to the point that I, in good conscience, cannot support any media figure that does not support this country and our heritage. Probably, to my detriment, Ken Burns fits in to that category. If he were to publish any of his works that were not subliminally undermining the management and direction of this country, I would feel differently about his works. But, from what I have seen, he is merely another mouthpiece that is no different than the hacks of the MSM, albeit somewhat more subliminally. I do feel bad, because I do think he has done some incredibly good work, but he does have a bias that is in contrary to this country's and citizen's best interests. As a result, his presentations and content seem to be in conflict with what I feel is right for this country.

I would go so far as to suggest that any of you that are Ken Burns fans, give consideration to actually boycotting his works because of his subliminal, liberal, globalist agenda that is contrary to this country's best interests. The choice is your's and your's alone. We all have the right to believe what we do and for the reasons that we have. I have no expectation that you "jump on board" with this idea. I just ask that you give it some consideration. The same holds true of Amazon.com, Microsoft and Columbia sportswear, among many, many other organizations that support globalization over our freedom.

Thanks very much,
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I never got the impression Burns politicized his work but then again by now Im probably jaded by the constant radical lefty bombardment we get on a daily basis anymore here in America that I likely hardly notice subtly liberalized stuff. Aint paying for the show anyway, its free on gpb site. I love anything to do with the Vietnam war though. Some kids were watching cartoons growing up, I grew up on old LRRP documentaries, the Recondo school, etc! Any recommendation for some good MACV SOG reads? Already have Plaster's work, but from what Ive gathered he wasnt considered as much of an insider as some of the more real deal recon men...
 
#11
This is why I don't think the deep state will go peacefully.

Some of its members need to see some pain, like this guy
While Mueller has assembled a large team, one of its most prominent investigators is former U.S. attorney Weissmann, who had overseen a series of controversial prosecutions that ultimately resulted in dismissed convictions and formal allegations of prosecutorial misconduct. For example, when Weissmann was leading the Enron Task Force, he sent former Merrill Lynch executive William Fuhs to a maximum-security prison in Oklahoma, 700 miles from his wife and two small children in Denver. Fuhs spent the next year behind bars before being released on bail. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals later ruled that there was no evidence upon which a reasonable jury could find that he violated the law, and his conviction was vacated.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...uckle-tactics-in-bid-to-squeeze-manafort.html

 
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308pirate said:
This is why I don't think the deep state will go peacefully.

Some of its members need to see some pain, like this guy


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...uckle-tactics-in-bid-to-squeeze-manafort.html
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Exactly. Jmo but these fuckers have sunk their claws so deep, compromised their respective agencies and underlings so completely.. that I don't see any other way. Even peacefully, you'd have to have a president willing to take such drastic action he'd basically be turning most of the gov't on its head and lighting it on fire. Congress would want impeachment, and if the ppl support said president, there goes the "peacefully" part.. It's like a hydra at this point, cut off a head and 2 more grow.. I think you'd be hard pressed to name a single fed agency not compromised/fully engulfed in the Web of the deep state actors.
 
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#14
I am still hoping the system can work.

This whole thing stinks maybe the stench is the plan. While everyone one looks at Manifort maybe Mueller is focused on someone else who may not see it coming.

I hope Mueller is straight up like they say. But it worries me that they said the exact same things about Comey.
 
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FS1 said:
I am still hoping the system can work.

This whole thing stinks maybe the stench is the plan. While everyone one looks at Manifort maybe Mueller is focused on someone else who may not see it coming.

I hope Mueller is straight up like they say. But it worries me that they said the exact same things about Comey.
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Nah. Mueller is as bent as the worst dogleg on the PGA circuit. Dragging Weissmann in shows just how willing Mueller is to play some shitty hardball. I still don't understand why the current Administration has been so complacent about this obviously Swampian threat.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
Ken Burns ,
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Ken Burns is a propagandist. He is the artistic director in charge of weaving together facts and images to tell a story, the story is financially backed by tax money, and private donors. He dances to the jig that they play. The narrative is important, b/c the true back drop of his story is - the Government lied, and a lot of folks died. That same story has repeated many times. It is man behind the curtain stuff.


Ask more questions about the Awan Brothers.........

 
#17
The FBI is weaponized against the population of the USA, teh Dem and Repub parties are actual criminal organizations. If they impeach Trump there will be a civil war in our life time, these people are no different than the Soviets they idolized from the 60s through today, that Jarhead Mueller is a POS, he treads on dangerous ground. All the national intel agencies and law agencies need to be dismantled.
 
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