Marksman Rifle

[WinterTyrant]

Hey guys,

I am thinking about going to the local pawn shop and picking up a cheap Ruger 10/22 to take to an Appleseed shoot coming up soon. My question to you is, what if I cannot make it to the Appleseed shoot? Will I still be able train with the rifle without taking the course? What I'm basically trying to ask is...do people have to take some sort of course to become good with open sights on a rifle? I know that it does help but would a lot of time behind the rifle be just as good? I mean people didn't attend instructional shoots way back when a persons lively hood and means of feeding a family depended on a rifle. I just find it hard to believe that someone has to take a course like this in order to develop marskmanship skills.

I do want to make the trip to the shoot but don't know if funds will permit. I know that another opportunity will arise but am not sure when.

So what do you guys think? Does a person have to take a course if they want to become good with a rifle? Or...does someone who prefers learning by themselves still stand a chance at becoming a great marksman in this day and age with instructed courses?

 

[JoeMartin]

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I believe the Appleseed project is to help folks with their marksmanship and overall shooting skills.

With this said, there has been plenty of great marksmen in this world that have never taken the course. I'd say if it's something you desire to do, you should do it.

If you have a local range where shooting matches are being held, you should attend some of them. You might just be surprised at how much knowledge is waiting to be shared with you at your local range.

In the mean time,,, practice and practice, and practice some more.

 

[al redneck]

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Floyd
There is a thread here at SH -' Appleseed' thread. They have a webpage you can click on for info. I would strongly urge you to go to the Appleseed shoot if you possible can ! If you can't, you might check into some of the targets and notes on how to become a rifleman that Fred sells. If you go to the shoot you may find other shooters you can learn from who are local to you. You will also see a shooting sling is a must have, if you use it properly. Please put forth the extra effort to attend if at all possible , you will be so much ahead of just doing what you have been doing all along.

david

 

[KAZ]

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Once any of us "learn" an activity the wrong way it is very difficult to then overcome bad/poor habits. You should take advantage of this program even if you show up without a firearm. I'll bet that you will be included by helpful trainers,and leave with a better idea of what equipment you will want to acquire.

 

[Sterling Shooter]

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Anyone can learn everything there is to know about good shooting without acquaintance to any training aid; however, the reality of anyone rising to the highest plateaus of good shooting without some coaching is not likely.

The first problem with a standard Ruger 10/22 is it's iron sights, the design does not permit exact perspective of aim, that's to say, consistent alignment and, or hold; and, they do not permit zeroing refinement. These conditions make shooter/target analysis problematic.

 

[WinterTyrant]

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Great, thanks for all the help once again guys. The shoot is next weekend so I have to not only get a gun, ammo lodging food, register for the class and any other odds and ends that I will need for the shoot. So hopefully we can get the money to afford all this. If not, I will practice as much as possible.

Thanks,
Floyd

 

[WinterTyrant]

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So I just bought a .22! Its the Ruger carbine version...I hope I can now get to the shoot...if not, I'm just going to practice practice. I want to eventually restock it and add some upgrades, but for now, I'll use stock irons and shoot as is

 

[Pat M]

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Somebody help him with lodging, then he could afford to put a Tasco 3x9x40 mildot scope on his rifle.

I know a lot of you guys are happy to put a fellow shooter up for the night before a shoot.

 

[hilbillee]

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A good choice Floyd. I have been shooting 10/22 for better than 35 yrs. I grant that the factory 10/22 may not be as accurate as some of the bolt rifles but it's a good sturdy rifle that you can build on and upgrade. I still have my first one that I bought in 1975. Paid $55.00 for it brand new and that was working for 2 bucks an hour. I wish I could see all the .22 rounds piled up that has been thru it...lol. Even if you don't get to go to the shoot just practice your marksmanship skills as much as possible. When you do get to do upgrades do what you can afford and what you are satisfied with. Your not doing it to please anyone else, just yourself. Wish you lived close enough. We could shoot some.

 

[JoeMartin]

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Here is a YouTube link (Part 1 of 5) about the AppleSeed Project that I think is worth taking a look at. Parts 2 through 5 should be available as well. There are also other videos of AppleSeed Project shooting. Check it out if you'd like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn0zRteINbE&feature=related

 

[WinterTyrant]

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Great thanks bro, I hope I will be able to attend, a member on ARFCOM has attended a couple and also goes to 50 cal shoots up at Whittington as well. He might be a member here. thanks for all the help guys, your always polite and civil despite the contents of my posts,

Floyd

 

[kansas45]

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Hope you can make it to a Appleseed Floyd. It is an event worth attending. Be sure to take a few extra mags along.

 

[Sterling Shooter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hilbillee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A good choice Floyd. I have been shooting 10/22 for better than 35 yrs. I grant that the factory 10/22 may not be as accurate as some of the bolt rifles but it's a good sturdy rifle that you can build on and upgrade. I still have my first one that I bought in 1975. Paid $55.00 for it brand new and that was working for 2 bucks an hour. I wish I could see all the .22 rounds piled up that has been thru it...lol. Even if you don't get to go to the shoot just practice your marksmanship skills as much as possible. When you do get to do upgrades do what you can afford and what you are satisfied with. Your not doing it to please anyone else, just yourself. Wish you lived close enough. We could shoot some.</div></div>

Just a thought, I don't think the 10/22 is less accurate than alternatives. In fact, unless the gun is broken, you should expect the bullet will always go in the direction the barrel is pointed.

However, with the 10/22's buck-horn rear sight, it's difficult for a shooter, even one who understands proper sight alignment, to understand, exactly, where the barrel is pointed, or, to be able to refine a zero, exactly.

The remedy is a good peep sight, but, since most shooters do not recognize the peep sight's value, instead of the peep, they'll look to a scope for the accuracy they're missing.

The scope will not get them the desired result however since these shooters still know nothing about how to minimize parallax error, or anything about the fundementals of marksmanship.

Thing is, marksmanship is not something these folks are interested in, as, with the gun being so intuitive, they think executing the firing task is the equivilant to knowing how to shoot.

I know I sound very negative about the matter, but, as a part-time gun salesman, I see this scenario played out on multiple occasions everyday.

 

[cgv69]

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If you are interested in becoming a marksman, buy the 10/22 and go for it. If there is anyway possible, going to an Appleseed shoot is really the best way to start but there is a lot of info out there is you can't and want to teach yourself. It's just going to be a lot harder that way. Having someone who knows what they are doing standing there watching you and pointing out your mistakes as you are making them or answers your questions on the spot really speeds up the process

 

[RicSmith]

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By the time you get a 10 22 set up toshoot real good, you could of gotten a real nice 22 with everything ready to go. I love my win 52D. full sized stock, palma rear sight with irus front. with good ammo,(wolf extra target or elley) it will put all rounds in a single hole at 50 yards. My best with it was a 20 round string , 200 with 19X count. Im a ok shot but a bit old and do have bad eyes. with irons we out shoot many with scopes most of the time. Again ok shooter but not great. we fire 50 and 100 yards at the matches here in Fayetteville/Ft. Bragg NC. A big problem we see, shooters buying cheap guns then wanting something better. there are many great target rifles out there. get one of them and learn to shoot the right way. most clubs that run matches have people more than willing to help you get into shooting. I'm the Matche director for our club and we spend lots of time before and after matches helping others. Get a rifle with- iron sights-make sure you can put a sling on it, a good one - hand stop helps a lot in learning to do it right- full sized stock. most 10-22 have kid stocks. a heavy barrel is best. as they heat up they keep the same point of inpack. go to matches. A one day class is hardly a good start, it takes time and effort to become a good shooter. As with any martial art- the more you put into it the more you get out. we shoot .22 to help keep up with our high power matches(XTC) and sniper matches we run here. I hope this helps, and i am not trying to be a know it all. but i do shoot a min. of 3 matches a month most time more.
best of luck
Ric

 

[WinterTyrant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cgv69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are interested in becoming a marksman, buy the 10/22 and go for it. If there is anyway possible, going to an Appleseed shoot is really the best way to start but there is a lot of info out there is you can't and want to teach yourself. It's just going to be a lot harder that way. Having someone who knows what they are doing standing there watching you and pointing out your mistakes as you are making them or answers your questions on the spot really speeds up the process </div></div>

I am actually trying to attend an Appleseed shoot next weekend but am not sure I can get a ride back from the event because my wife has to go to a meeting on Sunday and I would have to leave early.

 

[JoeMartin]

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Floyd, I picked up a couple 10/22's for my son and myself to practice with in case we head up to Custer, SD in April for the Appleseed shoot there. I installed the TSR200 Tech-Sight on both rifle's. In my opinion you should be looking at the peeps if you're going to an Appleseed shoot. I know they can get expensive, but there is an alternative.

http://www.tech-sights.com/

Tech-Sights also make an aperture for the Marlin 795 semi-auto. Don't sell this rifle short, it's a nice rifle and shoots straight. My son and I each have one that will also be getting the TSM200 Adjustable Aperture Sight.

We've both come to the conclusion that scopes are all right if we're shooting the long range .22 matches here at SH, or just training/practicing .22LR shooting at the local range.

However, from what I've learned so far, you are better off with an aperture sighted semi-auto at an Appleseed shoot. The Marlin 795 is the alternative to a lower priced semi-auto .22LR that can be equiped with the Tech-Sight for that rifle. It'll get the job done and save you a little money as well. You can always upgrade in the future to a 10/22 if you feel you need to.

Just my two cents worth from where I'm setting.