Hi, got a $2k Virtus Patrol. Shoots 3-6 MOA with a wide variety of ammo and reloads. Before I sell it or send it back to SIG. Any thoughts? Across a few different optics as well. Thanks.
Flash hider it came with. Haven't taken it or barrel off yet. It does want to make me check torque settings on barrel screws although I'm sure it's fine. I"ll be right back just have to go find my fix it sticks.What muzzle device are you using? Have you removed and replaced the barrel?
The gun is shooting much better now that I tightened the screws. About 3 MOA with "match" ammo in 69 grain. I loaded 6 rounds of 69 grain SMK with Match Rifle powder from shooters world and same thing. COAl 2.24". Disappointed given the price tag and weight. I assembled a $1200 AR and it is consistently sub MOA with match ammo. I will do more load testing.The Virtus is not a precise firearm, and I wouldn't expect it to be so. However, 1-3 MOA is what should be expected, most M193 (Federal, Winchester, American Eagle) have been around 2-3 MOA, and the only Mk262 ammo I have shot is IMI averaging 1.2 MOA.
More than likely, the loose barrel screw is the culprit of the extreme group sizes.
What optics/mounts are you using?
Specific ammunition being used?
Shooting off bipods, bag, or block, and are you using a rear bag?
Round count, and have you cleaned the rifle yet
I can get some for you. I measure outside edge to outside edge between the two farthest away and subtract .224 with digital calipers. I actually just shot it tonight ( I have a 300 yard range at my house). It does about 3.5-4 MOA with pmc bronze and privi partizan 69 grain "match" consistently. Sure it will put 3 touching but at least one will be 3 inches away. Since retorquing the barrel screws I have not loaded more 77 SMKs in Lapua brass. That load does 1/4-3/4 MOA consistently in my home brew AR 15 with compass lake barrel and matched bcg.Are you measuring your groups? 3-4 shots touching with 223 probably .5moa or better... I find it's deceiving shooting .223 caliber and measuring groups.
Also, you mentioned your bolt action rifles... I have gotten way to spoiled with custom bolt guns... a gun that is built for combat just isn't the same.. sub 2 MOA would be about all I would expect honestly... especially with random lake city brass.
Can you post some pictures of your targets? I'm interested since I am looking into getting a Virtus.
Yes. Have a cherry bomb on there now.Just for curiosities sake, have you tried shooting without the flash hider?
Yes, twice. Last time to remove muzzle device which was on there ridiculously tight. It actually helped. It was actually shooting m193 8 moa before I did that. Now it's like 4Curious if you ever pulled the barrel off and reset it?
Yeah lots of reviews of it being sub moa for 5 shots or even 10 shots. Got the lemon I guess. But there are a ton of match ammo out there I haven't tried, just don't want to pay the price. If it doesn't do 1 moa with Lapua brass , xbr 8208 and 77 SMKs or 75 grain hornady I"ll sell it.I ask because I have one that shoots close to 1 moa with Black Hills 77 grain. I've not loaded for it yet, nor ever removed the barrel. Of course, that's a sample of one.
They haven't got back to me yet. Also I have a feeling they're going to say nothing is wrong with it. Nice looking gun but I'm not paying nearly $2k for a rifle in 2020 to have it shoot 1.5 MOA at best for 5 shots. Like I said, we can send a bolt to Compass Lake and they'll send you a AR barrel that will do 3/4 MOA for 10 shots for less than $500. I just wanted to try external piston rifle.did you talk to Sig yet? They might take it back and fix it for you?
Yep, 16" with either a 3x prism or 1-8 lpvo. And most are getting there, at least with ammo that's $2 a round right now. We'll see. I know most 55 grain stuff is absolute garbage.I think folks in general don’t understand how small a deal it is for a rifle designed to be a better AK74/47 to shoot with 2 moa precision vs 1 moa. Those things (2 moa vs 1 moa) don’t matter all that much to the gunfighter using the tool for what it was designed for. It’s an approximately 5 inch circle vs an approximately 10 inch circle at 500 yards. If you do your part, that’s likely going to be a hole through a bad guy at that distance if you held the wind right. Most civilian buyers don’t think that way though, and I get that.
My point in the above is that a carbine is for breaking a corner and putting rounds in the direction of where you’re receiving fire from. It’s for hitting your belly and sending rounds through enemy moving to another fighting position. It’s for maneuvering to clear a hilltop with. With a shorty barrel it’s for clearing a courtyard over the top of a wall. It’s for clearing the backside of a structure looking for that squirter, etc. etc. etc.
In all those things, 1 moa or 2 moa at a bench, or in the prone from a bipod with a rear bag, out side of a proper zero, won’t matter at all to the man using the tool for what it was designed for.
Now, if it’s the 16 inch barrel and you’ve got a 1-8 on there for a DMR capability, or for hitting 2L bottles of coke at 500yds, then I’d want something closer to 1 moa too, but I think most folks who do their part get that with the Virtus. All you’d likely need to do is ask SIG to send you another barrel and see if it isn’t what many others experience with regards to precision.
It's actually doing really well with the can on and the barrel super dirty. Much better than clean and without the can. Not as dirty as my ARs either. But yeah, there are probably better options at the price point these things are going for on gunbroker right now. I paid less than MSRP so I'm not too upset considering no wanted to run it suppressed 99% of the time anyway.It’s a sig, the same engineering team and standards that produced the m17 dumpster fire.
The problem is the quick change barrel mounting system, they should offer a standard barrel nut version.
I don’t like the rebar like stock either, so unless you really need a folding stock and have to shoot it like that, I would get something else.