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Gunsmithing Measuring legal over all length?

Nocalphoenix

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Regarding barrel length and overall length does a permanently attached flash hider, comp or standoff device count? If so what does the ATF consider a permanent means of attachement?

Specifically this would be in regards to a 2 1/2" breaching device on a Remington 870. The last owner had the barrel plugged with mud and touched one off so the barrel is going to be shortened. The minimum legal length in California is an 18" barrel so Im trying to confirm if I can go 16" and then attach the breacher (giving an extra 1/2" of extra margin). The breacher is threaded as a choke extension if it matters.
 
Re: Measuring legal over all length?

In short, either solder that melts at 1100 degrees F or higher, or a weld that runs at least half the way around the muzzle device, or 4 equally spaced tack welds.

The letter is in regards to an AR-15, and is old, but to my knowledge the requirements have not changed.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
March 31, 1998

BATF
Firearms Technology Branch
Washington, DC 20226

Greetings:

I had some questions about permanently attaching muzzle brakes
and barrel extensions to firearms.

As you are aware, some barrels, particularly for some semi-
automatic rifles, come with muzzle threads. However, it may be
necessary, depending on the other features of the rifle, to remove
those threads, in order to keep the firearm from being considered
a "semi-automatic assault weapon". Additionally, some firearm
barrels come in lengths below 16 inches, and in order to be
installed on rifles without making the rifle subject to the
National Firearms Act, an extension may be permanently attached to
the end of the barrel, by muzzle threads, so as to make the barrel
length at least 16 inches.

I was wondering what methods of attachment to muzzle threads
are considered permanent enough so as to either extend the barrel
length, by use of an extension, or to remove the muzzle threads as
a feature of a semi-automatic rifle which might otherwise be
considered a "semiautomatic assault weapon"

In particular, I have heard that welding is acceptable. If you
can, please advise me of the method of welding, and the required
weld coverage. I have also heard that high temperature silver
solder is acceptable. If you can, please advise me as to the solder
alloy, and melting temperature that would be considered permanent.
I have also heard that some industrial adhesives are acceptable, in
particular a product called "Rocksett". I would appreciate
confirmation as to which, if any, industrial adhesives have been
found to be acceptable.

Also, if there are any other methods which I have not
mentioned above, which have also been found to be acceptable
methods of permanently installing muzzle devices onto rifles, I
would appreciate it if you could advise me of what they are.

Sincerely,



DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Washington, D.C. 20226

JUN 18 1998 F:FPD:FTB:RAT
3311


Dear Mr. :

This refers to your letter of March 31, 1998, in which you ask
about permanently attaching a muzzle device to various firearms.

A muzzle device, such as a muzzle brake or barrel extension, which
is attached to a barrel by means of welding or high temperature
silver solder having a melting point of at least 1,100 degrees
Fahrenheit, is considered to be part of the barrel for purposes of
measurement. A seam weld extending at least one-half the
circumference of the barrel or four equidistant tack welds around
the circumference of the barrel are adequate for this purpose.

A firearm having a muzzle brake, cap, or barrel extension
permanently attached by those same methods to cover the threads on
a barrel, would not be considered to have a threaded muzzle.
Please note, however, that any muzzle device or barrel extension
which functions as a flash suppressor or grenade launcher would
still constitute one of the qualifying features of a semiautomatic
assault weapon as that term is defined in 18 U.S.C. section
921(a)(30(B). Industrial adhesive products are not an acceptable
method for permanently attaching a muzzle device.

- 2 -

Mr.

We trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry.
If you have further questions concerning this matter, please
contact us.


Sincerely yours,

[signed]

Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch
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Re: Measuring legal over all length?

To measure the length of the barrel. Close the action and measure from the breech face to the end of the "barrel".
 
Re: Measuring legal over all length?

what he said
 
Re: Measuring legal over all length?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norcal Phoenix</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The last owner had the barrel plugged with mud and touched one off so the barrel is going to be shortened. </div></div>
and it only hurt the end of the tube??

I think 18" is everywhere for shotgun isn't it??
If the breacher is threaded and makes the length it needs to be pinned and welded (or arguably silver soldered).
 
Re: Measuring legal over all length?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norcal Phoenix</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The last owner had the barrel plugged with mud and touched one off so the barrel is going to be shortened. </div></div>
and it only hurt the end of the tube??

I think 18" is everywhere for shotgun isn't it??
If the breacher is threaded and makes the length it needs to be pinned and welded (or arguably silver soldered). </div></div>

The requirements for a barrel device to legally extend the length of a barrel is in the thing I posted above.