Here is an interesting bit of info I found. Can anyone chime in on how this can be productive?
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp
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Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Productive at removing more of our freedom?
Productive at removing more of our freedom?
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
It constitutes a warrantless search, in my opinion.
In this case, illegal.
It is not like text messages are a weapon.
It constitutes a warrantless search, in my opinion.
In this case, illegal.
It is not like text messages are a weapon.
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The frog is to stupid to understand all those wiz-bang got to have devices, were built that way for one purpose.
The general public is so short sighted they can't see past their own nose. They "Should" get what they allowed, as it's not about doing the right thing anymore. It's about doing what you want then asking about forgiveness later.
On a last button scale for a guy having a bad day I'd give this thing a 9.2
The frog is to stupid to understand all those wiz-bang got to have devices, were built that way for one purpose.
The general public is so short sighted they can't see past their own nose. They "Should" get what they allowed, as it's not about doing the right thing anymore. It's about doing what you want then asking about forgiveness later.
On a last button scale for a guy having a bad day I'd give this thing a 9.2
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Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Yes the police have these devices however they have not been used in the capacity implied. It has already been discussed that the use of these devices can only be with the cell phone owners permission or with a warrant from a judge. They cannot just take your phone and scan it. That's called a violation of the 4th amendment.
This is all just hype.
Yes the police have these devices however they have not been used in the capacity implied. It has already been discussed that the use of these devices can only be with the cell phone owners permission or with a warrant from a judge. They cannot just take your phone and scan it. That's called a violation of the 4th amendment.
This is all just hype.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes the police have these devices however they have not been used in the capacity implied. It has already been discussed that the use of these devices can only be with the cell phone owners permission or with a warrant from a judge. They cannot just take your phone and scan it. That's called a violation of the 4th amendment.
This is all just hype. </div></div>
Well to be fair, many things that violate the constitution/BOR happen everyday and continue until somebody takes it thought the court process. So just because it's against the law doesn't mean it isn't happening. Plus, we all know cops that aren't exactly following dept. policy. My point is that cops shouldn't even have access to these things. These things should only be in the hands of dept. supervisors and the like.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes the police have these devices however they have not been used in the capacity implied. It has already been discussed that the use of these devices can only be with the cell phone owners permission or with a warrant from a judge. They cannot just take your phone and scan it. That's called a violation of the 4th amendment.
This is all just hype. </div></div>
Well to be fair, many things that violate the constitution/BOR happen everyday and continue until somebody takes it thought the court process. So just because it's against the law doesn't mean it isn't happening. Plus, we all know cops that aren't exactly following dept. policy. My point is that cops shouldn't even have access to these things. These things should only be in the hands of dept. supervisors and the like.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes the police have these devices however they have not been used in the capacity implied. It has already been discussed that the use of these devices can only be with the cell phone owners permission or with a warrant from a judge. They cannot just take your phone and scan it. That's called a violation of the 4th amendment.
This is all just hype. </div></div>
Well to be fair, many things that violate the constitution/BOR happen everyday and continue until somebody takes it thought the court process. So just because it's against the law doesn't mean it isn't happening. Plus, we all know cops that aren't exactly following dept. policy. My point is that cops shouldn't even have access to these things. These things should only be in the hands of dept. supervisors and the like.</div></div>
Yes, things happen but in a case like this the VERY first questions that any attorney, even a cheap public defender, is going to ask is "did you have a warrant or did you have my client's permission" and when the answer to both of those are no, any information gathered will be tossed out and the arresting officer and department will be looking at a lawsuit. Any good attorney will be able to take a violation of rights and go after the offending department.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes the police have these devices however they have not been used in the capacity implied. It has already been discussed that the use of these devices can only be with the cell phone owners permission or with a warrant from a judge. They cannot just take your phone and scan it. That's called a violation of the 4th amendment.
This is all just hype. </div></div>
Well to be fair, many things that violate the constitution/BOR happen everyday and continue until somebody takes it thought the court process. So just because it's against the law doesn't mean it isn't happening. Plus, we all know cops that aren't exactly following dept. policy. My point is that cops shouldn't even have access to these things. These things should only be in the hands of dept. supervisors and the like.</div></div>
Yes, things happen but in a case like this the VERY first questions that any attorney, even a cheap public defender, is going to ask is "did you have a warrant or did you have my client's permission" and when the answer to both of those are no, any information gathered will be tossed out and the arresting officer and department will be looking at a lawsuit. Any good attorney will be able to take a violation of rights and go after the offending department.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting bit of info I found. Can anyone chime in on how this can be productive?</div></div>
Can not. Is not productive. To the OP great post. Seems CelleBrite wants to make money and the cop shops still have decent budgets every year to use it or loose it next year. It is wrong for cops to have this capability in the field, going around the feds who already have access to the same information a different way. Cops often abuse the power given in their jobs. "A US Department of Justice test of the CelleBrite UFED used by Michigan police found the device could grab all of the photos and video off of an iPhone within one-and-a-half minutes. The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well to be fair, many things that violate the constitution/BOR happen everyday and continue until somebody takes it thought the court process. So just because it's against the law doesn't mean it isn't happening.</div></div>
"Law enforcement officers are known, on occasion, to encourage citizens to cooperate if they have nothing to hide," ACLU staff attorney Mark P. Fancher wrote. "No less should be expected of law enforcement...". It is standard procedure for cops to push limits, in the disguise of getting their job done better. Some do it more than others - just ask one, or watch a few episodes of cops on TV.
Next the 'authorities' in a court system driven by money will simply download the same information over the cell services without users knowing (if not doing already). And use the camera, audio recording, and GPS at will for anyone they are interested in. Most people these days are walking around with bugging devices loaded with information in their pockets - tell me the feds are not already tapping into that at will thanks to new laws put in place for warrantless searches for 'national security'.
My bet is 'authorities' are getting this kind of information and more (phone numbers, pictures, who dialed, GPS location tracking) already from who they want it without using a CelleBrite UFED data sucker. More people should be careful with increasingly powerful smart phones which now have more horsepower than computers did only a few decades ago.
Here is one quick example in the news in the last couple days ... "Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upholds unlimited police use of GPS tracking without a warrant - Judge Diane P. Wood. The US Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled yesterday in favor of police officers who attach GPS tracking devices to vehicles without first obtaining a warrant."
Federal Court Endorses Warrantless GPS Tracking
This problem is bigger than this. The NSA can do it without the little device. "The NSA call database is a database created by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) that contains hundreds of billions of records of telephone calls made by U.S. citizens from the four largest telephone carriers in the United States: AT&T, SBC, BellSouth (all three now called AT&T), and Verizon. The existence of this database and the NSA program that compiled it was unknown to the general public until USA Today broke the story on May 10, 2006. It is estimated that the database contains over 1.9 trillion call-detail records."
NSA call database
"part of the broader President's Surveillance Program, the NSA is authorized by executive order to monitor, without search warrants, phone calls, e-mails, Internet activity, text messaging, and other communication involving any party believed by the NSA to be outside the U.S." ... or if they are a safety concern and more at:
NSA warrantless surveillance controversy
The Bush 'war on terror' was used to reduce the rights of all US citizens about a decade ago. Is something we now get to live with. Whoever calls this the 'land of the free' should spend time to become more informed.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is an interesting bit of info I found. Can anyone chime in on how this can be productive?</div></div>
Can not. Is not productive. To the OP great post. Seems CelleBrite wants to make money and the cop shops still have decent budgets every year to use it or loose it next year. It is wrong for cops to have this capability in the field, going around the feds who already have access to the same information a different way. Cops often abuse the power given in their jobs. "A US Department of Justice test of the CelleBrite UFED used by Michigan police found the device could grab all of the photos and video off of an iPhone within one-and-a-half minutes. The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well to be fair, many things that violate the constitution/BOR happen everyday and continue until somebody takes it thought the court process. So just because it's against the law doesn't mean it isn't happening.</div></div>
"Law enforcement officers are known, on occasion, to encourage citizens to cooperate if they have nothing to hide," ACLU staff attorney Mark P. Fancher wrote. "No less should be expected of law enforcement...". It is standard procedure for cops to push limits, in the disguise of getting their job done better. Some do it more than others - just ask one, or watch a few episodes of cops on TV.
Next the 'authorities' in a court system driven by money will simply download the same information over the cell services without users knowing (if not doing already). And use the camera, audio recording, and GPS at will for anyone they are interested in. Most people these days are walking around with bugging devices loaded with information in their pockets - tell me the feds are not already tapping into that at will thanks to new laws put in place for warrantless searches for 'national security'.
My bet is 'authorities' are getting this kind of information and more (phone numbers, pictures, who dialed, GPS location tracking) already from who they want it without using a CelleBrite UFED data sucker. More people should be careful with increasingly powerful smart phones which now have more horsepower than computers did only a few decades ago.
Here is one quick example in the news in the last couple days ... "Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upholds unlimited police use of GPS tracking without a warrant - Judge Diane P. Wood. The US Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled yesterday in favor of police officers who attach GPS tracking devices to vehicles without first obtaining a warrant."
Federal Court Endorses Warrantless GPS Tracking
This problem is bigger than this. The NSA can do it without the little device. "The NSA call database is a database created by the United States National Security Agency (NSA) that contains hundreds of billions of records of telephone calls made by U.S. citizens from the four largest telephone carriers in the United States: AT&T, SBC, BellSouth (all three now called AT&T), and Verizon. The existence of this database and the NSA program that compiled it was unknown to the general public until USA Today broke the story on May 10, 2006. It is estimated that the database contains over 1.9 trillion call-detail records."
NSA call database
"part of the broader President's Surveillance Program, the NSA is authorized by executive order to monitor, without search warrants, phone calls, e-mails, Internet activity, text messaging, and other communication involving any party believed by the NSA to be outside the U.S." ... or if they are a safety concern and more at:
NSA warrantless surveillance controversy
The Bush 'war on terror' was used to reduce the rights of all US citizens about a decade ago. Is something we now get to live with. Whoever calls this the 'land of the free' should spend time to become more informed.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
I long for those simplier days of my youth where all we had to worry about was those Gawdless commie liberals thinking they knew best for us and good social order.
Looks like the candle is being burned at both ends.
I long for those simplier days of my youth where all we had to worry about was those Gawdless commie liberals thinking they knew best for us and good social order.
Looks like the candle is being burned at both ends.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Well as some of the LE posters on other threads have stated...
"If you have nothing to hide why would you refuse....?" Yet another example of why citizens need to know their rights and their ability to refuse co-operation with requests that are not legal without having to fear being viewed as 'suspicious' or disrespectful.
Well as some of the LE posters on other threads have stated...
"If you have nothing to hide why would you refuse....?" Yet another example of why citizens need to know their rights and their ability to refuse co-operation with requests that are not legal without having to fear being viewed as 'suspicious' or disrespectful.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes the police have these devices however they have not been used in the capacity implied. It has already been discussed that the use of these devices can only be with the cell phone owners permission or with a warrant from a judge. They cannot just take your phone and scan it. That's called a violation of the 4th amendment.
This is all just hype. </div></div>
Well to be fair, many things that violate the constitution/BOR happen everyday and continue until somebody takes it thought the court process. So just because it's against the law doesn't mean it isn't happening. Plus, we all know cops that aren't exactly following dept. policy. My point is that cops shouldn't even have access to these things. These things should only be in the hands of dept. supervisors and the like.</div></div>
Yes, things happen but in a case like this the VERY first questions that any attorney, even a cheap public defender, is going to ask is "did you have a warrant or did you have my client's permission" and when the answer to both of those are no, any information gathered will be tossed out and the arresting officer and department will be looking at a lawsuit. Any good attorney will be able to take a violation of rights and go after the offending department. </div></div>
Mike, I agree but my point was more about how they shouldn't have access to the info in the first place not that it will be thrown out later. Who knows who will look at/copy the information in the interim period.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes the police have these devices however they have not been used in the capacity implied. It has already been discussed that the use of these devices can only be with the cell phone owners permission or with a warrant from a judge. They cannot just take your phone and scan it. That's called a violation of the 4th amendment.
This is all just hype. </div></div>
Well to be fair, many things that violate the constitution/BOR happen everyday and continue until somebody takes it thought the court process. So just because it's against the law doesn't mean it isn't happening. Plus, we all know cops that aren't exactly following dept. policy. My point is that cops shouldn't even have access to these things. These things should only be in the hands of dept. supervisors and the like.</div></div>
Yes, things happen but in a case like this the VERY first questions that any attorney, even a cheap public defender, is going to ask is "did you have a warrant or did you have my client's permission" and when the answer to both of those are no, any information gathered will be tossed out and the arresting officer and department will be looking at a lawsuit. Any good attorney will be able to take a violation of rights and go after the offending department. </div></div>
Mike, I agree but my point was more about how they shouldn't have access to the info in the first place not that it will be thrown out later. Who knows who will look at/copy the information in the interim period.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any good attorney will be able to take a violation of rights and go after the offending department.</div></div>
And after a decade or so your life will be back to normal. I'd prefer the cops abide by the law so I could avoid all the hassle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any good attorney will be able to take a violation of rights and go after the offending department.</div></div>
And after a decade or so your life will be back to normal. I'd prefer the cops abide by the law so I could avoid all the hassle.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
just refuse to give the phone to them, I have nothing to hide, but ask any stanger on the street to have a copy of images of his wife and kids and see what he would say.
On the other side, dont text and drive, dont let you kids either.
just refuse to give the phone to them, I have nothing to hide, but ask any stanger on the street to have a copy of images of his wife and kids and see what he would say.
On the other side, dont text and drive, dont let you kids either.
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LEO's have been scanning cell phones for years with 800 MHz scanners purchased at radio shack. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on a cell phone.
For a LEO to pick up a cell phone and look through it there needs to be a warrant in most cases, or maybe just here in Florida. I cannot give you case law because I do not feel like looking it up, and am not a lawyer, so do not take the legal advise of a guy on the Internet.
LEO's have been scanning cell phones for years with 800 MHz scanners purchased at radio shack. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on a cell phone.
For a LEO to pick up a cell phone and look through it there needs to be a warrant in most cases, or maybe just here in Florida. I cannot give you case law because I do not feel like looking it up, and am not a lawyer, so do not take the legal advise of a guy on the Internet.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Buy a cell phone from a thrift shop or DAV shop for a $1 or so and if asked give it to them.
Buy a cell phone from a thrift shop or DAV shop for a $1 or so and if asked give it to them.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
This shit still going around?
These devices are being used in the forensic labs under a search warrant. CellBrite isn't being distributed to individual officers. This device is no different then the software used to pull data from computers. Pedophiles stretching out young children should be worried.
MSP statement:
"LANSING. Recent news coverage prompted by a press release issued by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has brought speculation and caused inaccurate information to be reported about data extraction devices (DEDs) owned by the Michigan State Police (MSP).
To be clear, there have not been any allegations of wrongdoing by the MSP in the use of DEDs.
The MSP only uses the DEDs if a search warrant is obtained or if the person possessing the mobile device gives consent. The department*s internal directive is that the DEDs only be used by MSP specialty teams on criminal cases, such as crimes against children.
The DEDs are not being used to extract citizens' personal information during routine traffic stops.
The MSP does not possess DEDs that can extract data without the officer actually possessing the owner's mobile device. The DEDs utilized by the MSP cannot obtain information from mobile devices without the mobile device owner knowing.
Data extraction devices are commercially available and are routinely utilized by mobile communication device vendors nationwide to transmit data from one device to another when customers upgrade their mobile devices.
These DEDs have been adapted for law enforcement use due to the ever-increasing use of mobile communication devices by criminals to further their criminal activity and have become a powerful investigative tool used to obtain critical information from criminals."
This shit still going around?
These devices are being used in the forensic labs under a search warrant. CellBrite isn't being distributed to individual officers. This device is no different then the software used to pull data from computers. Pedophiles stretching out young children should be worried.
MSP statement:
"LANSING. Recent news coverage prompted by a press release issued by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has brought speculation and caused inaccurate information to be reported about data extraction devices (DEDs) owned by the Michigan State Police (MSP).
To be clear, there have not been any allegations of wrongdoing by the MSP in the use of DEDs.
The MSP only uses the DEDs if a search warrant is obtained or if the person possessing the mobile device gives consent. The department*s internal directive is that the DEDs only be used by MSP specialty teams on criminal cases, such as crimes against children.
The DEDs are not being used to extract citizens' personal information during routine traffic stops.
The MSP does not possess DEDs that can extract data without the officer actually possessing the owner's mobile device. The DEDs utilized by the MSP cannot obtain information from mobile devices without the mobile device owner knowing.
Data extraction devices are commercially available and are routinely utilized by mobile communication device vendors nationwide to transmit data from one device to another when customers upgrade their mobile devices.
These DEDs have been adapted for law enforcement use due to the ever-increasing use of mobile communication devices by criminals to further their criminal activity and have become a powerful investigative tool used to obtain critical information from criminals."
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Coker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LEO's have been scanning cell phones for years with 800 MHz scanners purchased at radio shack. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on a cell phone.</div></div>
I've been in LE for close to two decades and I never seen any evidence to your assertion.
This activity would be a FELONY within my State.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Coker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LEO's have been scanning cell phones for years with 800 MHz scanners purchased at radio shack. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on a cell phone.</div></div>
I've been in LE for close to two decades and I never seen any evidence to your assertion.
This activity would be a FELONY within my State.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Let 'em scan my I-Phone. I have over 400 pics from birthdays, Christmas, vacations, etc. that I have been too lazy to download to my computer.
Jim
Let 'em scan my I-Phone. I have over 400 pics from birthdays, Christmas, vacations, etc. that I have been too lazy to download to my computer.
Jim
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Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Instead of Trunk Monkey, pretty soon we'll need a trunk lawyer.
It should not be this way.
Instead of Trunk Monkey, pretty soon we'll need a trunk lawyer.
It should not be this way.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of Trunk Monkey, pretty soon we'll need a trunk lawyer.
It should not be this way. </div></div>
Your are absolutely correct. Pedophiles and criminals involved in serious criminal activity should have one safe haven not accessible under a warrant : Their phones.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of Trunk Monkey, pretty soon we'll need a trunk lawyer.
It should not be this way. </div></div>
Your are absolutely correct. Pedophiles and criminals involved in serious criminal activity should have one safe haven not accessible under a warrant : Their phones.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
I use one all the time. Phones are scanned for intel gathering reasons only. The info that is taken is not directly used in any case, but it assists in compiling intel against others that we are looking for or trying to make a case on. Mainly its used in gang suppression operations. Over the past few years that we have used these cloners, several of our cases have been made and taken to court for dismissal, etc. Never once has a case been tossed out for illegally gathered information. Its all in the articulation from the agents on how it is or was taken. Now with that being said, I am not sure that I could make the same arguments on how this from a simple traffic stop would work, but search incident to arrest we have never had any issues.
I use one all the time. Phones are scanned for intel gathering reasons only. The info that is taken is not directly used in any case, but it assists in compiling intel against others that we are looking for or trying to make a case on. Mainly its used in gang suppression operations. Over the past few years that we have used these cloners, several of our cases have been made and taken to court for dismissal, etc. Never once has a case been tossed out for illegally gathered information. Its all in the articulation from the agents on how it is or was taken. Now with that being said, I am not sure that I could make the same arguments on how this from a simple traffic stop would work, but search incident to arrest we have never had any issues.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wadevb1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of Trunk Monkey, pretty soon we'll need a trunk lawyer.
It should not be this way. </div></div>
Your are absolutely correct. Pedophiles and criminals involved in serious criminal activity should have one safe haven not accessible under a warrant : Their phones. </div></div>
And that is a true statement. some of the intel we have gathered has been used in kid porn cases. That is one of the easiest modes of trafficking in child porn out there. Just FYI...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wadevb1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Instead of Trunk Monkey, pretty soon we'll need a trunk lawyer.
It should not be this way. </div></div>
Your are absolutely correct. Pedophiles and criminals involved in serious criminal activity should have one safe haven not accessible under a warrant : Their phones. </div></div>
And that is a true statement. some of the intel we have gathered has been used in kid porn cases. That is one of the easiest modes of trafficking in child porn out there. Just FYI...
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
in gang enforcement, arent injuctions issued to a lot of known bangers? saying (legally) that they are not allowed to be around other bangers
the same for convicted felons on parole, it is a violation of their release to consort with other felons......right?
we were just told in preshift brief that anyone we caught with drugs and paraphanalia were going through c.i.d. and then ncis to try to get a trail for all drug related anything aboard the base, and that ncis would be using this exact technology to build data and cross reference to any other cases in the area
in va it is illegal to text and drive, and on base the same for driving and talking on the phone without a hands free device, so when we pull someone for either, we ask to check their phone, to confirm
in gang enforcement, arent injuctions issued to a lot of known bangers? saying (legally) that they are not allowed to be around other bangers
the same for convicted felons on parole, it is a violation of their release to consort with other felons......right?
we were just told in preshift brief that anyone we caught with drugs and paraphanalia were going through c.i.d. and then ncis to try to get a trail for all drug related anything aboard the base, and that ncis would be using this exact technology to build data and cross reference to any other cases in the area
in va it is illegal to text and drive, and on base the same for driving and talking on the phone without a hands free device, so when we pull someone for either, we ask to check their phone, to confirm
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
so Im not clear...do yuou have to let them handle your phone or can they just wae a magic wand near you car and steal the info?
so Im not clear...do yuou have to let them handle your phone or can they just wae a magic wand near you car and steal the info?
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
What a shock. Another cop bashing thread. Guys talking about shit they have no idea what they are talking about. These devices are used against bad criminals, not against regular people. You guys are too paranoid. Most of us have audio and video cameras in our patrol cars. You think I'm going to violate a law and get fired over some stupid shit? Get real. We don't use any of these things without a warrant or consent.
What a shock. Another cop bashing thread. Guys talking about shit they have no idea what they are talking about. These devices are used against bad criminals, not against regular people. You guys are too paranoid. Most of us have audio and video cameras in our patrol cars. You think I'm going to violate a law and get fired over some stupid shit? Get real. We don't use any of these things without a warrant or consent.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wadevb1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Coker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LEO's have been scanning cell phones for years with 800 MHz scanners purchased at radio shack. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on a cell phone.</div></div>
I've been in LE for close to two decades and I never seen any evidence to your assertion.
This activity would be a FELONY within my State. </div></div>
So if I got pulled over and an officer asked to hook my cell up to one I could refuse without being arrested? Just curious as I occasionally cruise downstate.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wadevb1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Coker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LEO's have been scanning cell phones for years with 800 MHz scanners purchased at radio shack. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on a cell phone.</div></div>
I've been in LE for close to two decades and I never seen any evidence to your assertion.
This activity would be a FELONY within my State. </div></div>
So if I got pulled over and an officer asked to hook my cell up to one I could refuse without being arrested? Just curious as I occasionally cruise downstate.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Never mind, I read along further. I always comply with police anyway. Been searched 3 times for unknown reasons but was always quick to let them in my car with one exception. I have nothing to hide.
Never mind, I read along further. I always comply with police anyway. Been searched 3 times for unknown reasons but was always quick to let them in my car with one exception. I have nothing to hide.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
I have used a cell bright,in the PD. I have never seen or heard of a device that can download content from a phone with out the phone hooked up to a computer. Before everybody gets there collective asses on their shoulders, do a little reading. I could find nothing on the net that backs this up. I believe it is all taken out of context by who ever wrote the story because it sounds better that way. I'm pretty sure that if the technology existed, it woud not the the police that had it first. We are usually behind the curve due to budget issues. I could be wrong.
Patrick
I have used a cell bright,in the PD. I have never seen or heard of a device that can download content from a phone with out the phone hooked up to a computer. Before everybody gets there collective asses on their shoulders, do a little reading. I could find nothing on the net that backs this up. I believe it is all taken out of context by who ever wrote the story because it sounds better that way. I'm pretty sure that if the technology existed, it woud not the the police that had it first. We are usually behind the curve due to budget issues. I could be wrong.
Patrick
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
</div></div>
No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Read the above posts by other officers that explain how that machine works and some examples. It is primarily used for kitty porn stuff and drug related stuff.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
</div></div>
No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Read the above posts by other officers that explain how that machine works and some examples. It is primarily used for kitty porn stuff and drug related stuff.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
</div></div>
No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Read the above posts by other officers that explain how that machine works and some examples. It is primarily used for kitty porn stuff and drug related stuff. </div></div>
Please explain exactly where in my post I stated something that was incorrect?
Nevermind, I just saw your comment in the "Cop punches girl in face" thread.
Post what you may, I will not be responding. It is obvious the divide between you and I is too great to ever be bridged.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
</div></div>
No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Read the above posts by other officers that explain how that machine works and some examples. It is primarily used for kitty porn stuff and drug related stuff. </div></div>
Please explain exactly where in my post I stated something that was incorrect?
Nevermind, I just saw your comment in the "Cop punches girl in face" thread.
Post what you may, I will not be responding. It is obvious the divide between you and I is too great to ever be bridged.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Get a warrent or get outa dodge
All of tbe alphabet soup agenceys and leo dept have gooten out of control in the last 20 years.
We all wamt bad guys cought and terorists in bags but not at the expence of our cival libertys
End rant I think I hear helicopters
Get a warrent or get outa dodge
All of tbe alphabet soup agenceys and leo dept have gooten out of control in the last 20 years.
We all wamt bad guys cought and terorists in bags but not at the expence of our cival libertys
End rant I think I hear helicopters
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
It doesn't matter what all you clever people say about the erosion of the Constitution. What it comes down to is :WE are screwed.
It doesn't matter what all you clever people say about the erosion of the Constitution. What it comes down to is :WE are screwed.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Please tell me Sniper's Hide isn't turning into a tinfoil hat wearing, watch out for zombies, the government is out to get us website. So what they got these cell phone scanner deals. Guess what, they also have a pistol that they can just un-holster and put a round in your face, but they don't. In Iraq if you pissed off your kid they could just tell the secret police that your talking shit about Saddam, and then they would come and kill you.
Please tell me Sniper's Hide isn't turning into a tinfoil hat wearing, watch out for zombies, the government is out to get us website. So what they got these cell phone scanner deals. Guess what, they also have a pistol that they can just un-holster and put a round in your face, but they don't. In Iraq if you pissed off your kid they could just tell the secret police that your talking shit about Saddam, and then they would come and kill you.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _RJ_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please tell me Sniper's Hide isn't turning into a tinfoil hat wearing, watch out for zombies, the government is out to get us website. So what they got these cell phone scanner deals. Guess what, they also have a pistol that they can just un-holster and put a round in your face, but they don't. In Iraq if you pissed off your kid they could just tell the secret police that your talking shit about Saddam, and then they would come and kill you. </div></div>
Well put.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _RJ_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please tell me Sniper's Hide isn't turning into a tinfoil hat wearing, watch out for zombies, the government is out to get us website. So what they got these cell phone scanner deals. Guess what, they also have a pistol that they can just un-holster and put a round in your face, but they don't. In Iraq if you pissed off your kid they could just tell the secret police that your talking shit about Saddam, and then they would come and kill you. </div></div>
Well put.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Hi, Patrick,
AOL says differently. They may be right or wrong. They say the device exists, and they have photos and an article. You might want to check it out.
Hi, Patrick,
AOL says differently. They may be right or wrong. They say the device exists, and they have photos and an article. You might want to check it out.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tigerhawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi, Patrick,
AOL says differently. They may be right or wrong. They say the device exists, and they have photos and an article. You might want to check it out. </div></div>
We have used these devices in cases in our department. We don't have one of these devices at my department nor do I know any department that actually has one. What we have to do is send out the phone to the lab to get the phone downloaded. And in order to download a phone we need a warrant or consent. Generally warrants are for the shitbags's phones and consent if for when we have to download a victim's phone when we need info from their phone to help them in a case, such as when a pervert sends a naked picture to someone and they accidentally delete the pictures.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tigerhawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi, Patrick,
AOL says differently. They may be right or wrong. They say the device exists, and they have photos and an article. You might want to check it out. </div></div>
We have used these devices in cases in our department. We don't have one of these devices at my department nor do I know any department that actually has one. What we have to do is send out the phone to the lab to get the phone downloaded. And in order to download a phone we need a warrant or consent. Generally warrants are for the shitbags's phones and consent if for when we have to download a victim's phone when we need info from their phone to help them in a case, such as when a pervert sends a naked picture to someone and they accidentally delete the pictures.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _RJ_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please tell me Sniper's Hide isn't turning into a tinfoil hat wearing, watch out for zombies, the government is out to get us website. So what they got these cell phone scanner deals. Guess what, they also have a pistol that they can just un-holster and put a round in your face, but they don't. In Iraq if you pissed off your kid they could just tell the secret police that your talking shit about Saddam, and then they would come and kill you. </div></div>
^^^^^THIS... +100000000
People, please.... Stop spreading this doom & gloom; cops are going house to house and invading privacy of law abiding good people using space age x-ray technology and mind control.
This is merely a tool that will be useful when a search is warranted. A Police Officer can only use this tool when they have a warrant, or consent, or when the phone or it's contents are evidence in a crime, or probable cause that the phone contains fruits of a crime, or instrumentality of a crime, or contraband, or the owner or possessor is on parole or probation. Sorry for the hyper usage of "or" but I just wanted to highlight the individual elements. Those are ALL of the elements that warrant the use of that (optional) tool.
If you don't meet any of those elements then you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about. A Police Officer cannot arbitrarily scan your phone with that device. If he does, it would be a violation of your rights and he would be subject to termination, civil suit and further; any evidence found would be inadmissible in court including the fact that subsequent charges incurred via any information gain by using the phone would be dropped. It would definitely be your get out of jail card.
Think of this device like a police helicopter. If you have a fence that conceals your backyard from view, the Police can't arbitrarily go back there just to see what's there, however, a police helicopter can sit in the free airspace above your house all day long....arbitrarily I might add....but they don't.
Another example is a police dog. A Police Officer can bring his K9 unit up to your car with him on a traffic stop effectively searching your vehicle for drugs from the outside (or explosives if the dog is trained). This can be conducted arbitrarily. K9 Officers can do this all day as long as they don't keep you detained for longer than is necessary to complete the citation or advisement. For example, a cop can't pull somebody over and then wait for 30 minutes while a K9 shows up to do a walk-around. If the K9 gets there as the original Officer is completing the citation then both the dog and K9 Officer have legal right to walk around the outside of the vehicle.
These are just other examples of tools that are at the disposal of Police Departments that are rarely exercised. This is a technologically advanced age we live in so don't freak out when the cops gain the technology to keep up with the Jones'. Having the ability to do.....and doing....are two WAYYYYYYYYY different things.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _RJ_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please tell me Sniper's Hide isn't turning into a tinfoil hat wearing, watch out for zombies, the government is out to get us website. So what they got these cell phone scanner deals. Guess what, they also have a pistol that they can just un-holster and put a round in your face, but they don't. In Iraq if you pissed off your kid they could just tell the secret police that your talking shit about Saddam, and then they would come and kill you. </div></div>
^^^^^THIS... +100000000
People, please.... Stop spreading this doom & gloom; cops are going house to house and invading privacy of law abiding good people using space age x-ray technology and mind control.
This is merely a tool that will be useful when a search is warranted. A Police Officer can only use this tool when they have a warrant, or consent, or when the phone or it's contents are evidence in a crime, or probable cause that the phone contains fruits of a crime, or instrumentality of a crime, or contraband, or the owner or possessor is on parole or probation. Sorry for the hyper usage of "or" but I just wanted to highlight the individual elements. Those are ALL of the elements that warrant the use of that (optional) tool.
If you don't meet any of those elements then you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about. A Police Officer cannot arbitrarily scan your phone with that device. If he does, it would be a violation of your rights and he would be subject to termination, civil suit and further; any evidence found would be inadmissible in court including the fact that subsequent charges incurred via any information gain by using the phone would be dropped. It would definitely be your get out of jail card.
Think of this device like a police helicopter. If you have a fence that conceals your backyard from view, the Police can't arbitrarily go back there just to see what's there, however, a police helicopter can sit in the free airspace above your house all day long....arbitrarily I might add....but they don't.
Another example is a police dog. A Police Officer can bring his K9 unit up to your car with him on a traffic stop effectively searching your vehicle for drugs from the outside (or explosives if the dog is trained). This can be conducted arbitrarily. K9 Officers can do this all day as long as they don't keep you detained for longer than is necessary to complete the citation or advisement. For example, a cop can't pull somebody over and then wait for 30 minutes while a K9 shows up to do a walk-around. If the K9 gets there as the original Officer is completing the citation then both the dog and K9 Officer have legal right to walk around the outside of the vehicle.
These are just other examples of tools that are at the disposal of Police Departments that are rarely exercised. This is a technologically advanced age we live in so don't freak out when the cops gain the technology to keep up with the Jones'. Having the ability to do.....and doing....are two WAYYYYYYYYY different things.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Junglejim23</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a warrent or get outa dodge
All of tbe alphabet soup agenceys and leo dept have gooten out of control in the last 20 years.
We all wamt bad guys cought and terorists in bags but not at the expence of our cival libertys
End rant I think I hear helicopters </div></div>
What exactly do you think these devices are used for? Do you think that we are pulling people over for using their cellphones and we are hooking up the machine to prove that they were talking on their phone?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Junglejim23</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a warrent or get outa dodge
All of tbe alphabet soup agenceys and leo dept have gooten out of control in the last 20 years.
We all wamt bad guys cought and terorists in bags but not at the expence of our cival libertys
End rant I think I hear helicopters </div></div>
What exactly do you think these devices are used for? Do you think that we are pulling people over for using their cellphones and we are hooking up the machine to prove that they were talking on their phone?
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
</div></div>
No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Read the above posts by other officers that explain how that machine works and some examples. It is primarily used for kitty porn stuff and drug related stuff. </div></div>
Please explain exactly where in my post I stated something that was incorrect?
Nevermind, I just saw your comment in the "Cop punches girl in face" thread.
Post what you may, I will not be responding. It is obvious the divide between you and I is too great to ever be bridged.
</div></div>
This thread should have been over the minute officers posted what these things are used for. Not my fault that you and the other paranoid posters on this thread have reading comprehension problems or are just too ignorant.
Now back to your regularly scheduled cop bashing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
</div></div>
No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Read the above posts by other officers that explain how that machine works and some examples. It is primarily used for kitty porn stuff and drug related stuff. </div></div>
Please explain exactly where in my post I stated something that was incorrect?
Nevermind, I just saw your comment in the "Cop punches girl in face" thread.
Post what you may, I will not be responding. It is obvious the divide between you and I is too great to ever be bridged.
</div></div>
This thread should have been over the minute officers posted what these things are used for. Not my fault that you and the other paranoid posters on this thread have reading comprehension problems or are just too ignorant.
Now back to your regularly scheduled cop bashing.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
The hide has a large population from every part of our Nation and who here has had their phone scanned?
Many of us also frequent other forums and who read a post of a person having their phone scanned? I have not.
Michigan is a no texting state and if I suspect a person was texting I may legally ask to examine their phone (something I'll never do) but I can't seize it. Texting is a civil infraction therefore I may not seek a warrant to search for texting.
Criminals now do their business via smart phones and tend not to have home computers these days. These phones are seized under a SW and the cellbrite is able to circumvent their password and download their data.
This is a case where the ACLU is stomping their feet because the MSP refused to provide them with information they are seeking. The MSP provided the ACLU with the FOIA information which they were required to provide under the law and nothing more.
The ACLU then spun the story to make it appear we are scanning phones without their knowledge and went to the media. The tin foil hats swallowed the story hook line and sinker.
Believe what you want, I know the facts,
The hide has a large population from every part of our Nation and who here has had their phone scanned?
Many of us also frequent other forums and who read a post of a person having their phone scanned? I have not.
Michigan is a no texting state and if I suspect a person was texting I may legally ask to examine their phone (something I'll never do) but I can't seize it. Texting is a civil infraction therefore I may not seek a warrant to search for texting.
Criminals now do their business via smart phones and tend not to have home computers these days. These phones are seized under a SW and the cellbrite is able to circumvent their password and download their data.
This is a case where the ACLU is stomping their feet because the MSP refused to provide them with information they are seeking. The MSP provided the ACLU with the FOIA information which they were required to provide under the law and nothing more.
The ACLU then spun the story to make it appear we are scanning phones without their knowledge and went to the media. The tin foil hats swallowed the story hook line and sinker.
Believe what you want, I know the facts,
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
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Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please tell me Sniper's Hide isn't turning into a tinfoil hat wearing, watch out for zombies, the government is out to get us website. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please tell me Sniper's Hide isn't turning into a tinfoil hat wearing, watch out for zombies, the government is out to get us website. </div></div>
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Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brushout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I use one all the time. Phones are scanned for intel gathering reasons only. The info that is taken is not directly used in any case, but it assists in compiling intel against others that we are looking for or trying to make a case on. Mainly its used in gang suppression operations. Over the past few years that we have used these cloners, several of our cases have been made and taken to court for dismissal, etc. Never once has a case been tossed out for illegally gathered information. Its all in the articulation from the agents on how it is or was taken. Now with that being said, I am not sure that I could make the same arguments on how this from a simple traffic stop would work, but search incident to arrest we have never had any issues.
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Could you extrapolate as to the circumstances surrounding or conditions required for a phone to be scanned? I think your (apparent) open admission that the information you glean from someone's phone is never intended to be used as admissible evidence is exactly the sort of thing that causes the general public to respond in the manner Glenn has described so eloquently.
Sure I don't look like a gang member now and so I probably have nothing to fear from CMPD, but what happens when someone starts up a new gang staffed by mid-thirties plump white guys dressed exclusively in clothes sourced from Kohls?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brushout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I use one all the time. Phones are scanned for intel gathering reasons only. The info that is taken is not directly used in any case, but it assists in compiling intel against others that we are looking for or trying to make a case on. Mainly its used in gang suppression operations. Over the past few years that we have used these cloners, several of our cases have been made and taken to court for dismissal, etc. Never once has a case been tossed out for illegally gathered information. Its all in the articulation from the agents on how it is or was taken. Now with that being said, I am not sure that I could make the same arguments on how this from a simple traffic stop would work, but search incident to arrest we have never had any issues.
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Could you extrapolate as to the circumstances surrounding or conditions required for a phone to be scanned? I think your (apparent) open admission that the information you glean from someone's phone is never intended to be used as admissible evidence is exactly the sort of thing that causes the general public to respond in the manner Glenn has described so eloquently.
Sure I don't look like a gang member now and so I probably have nothing to fear from CMPD, but what happens when someone starts up a new gang staffed by mid-thirties plump white guys dressed exclusively in clothes sourced from Kohls?
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
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Careful Ratbert, after this post a cop insinuated I was ignorant and I was labeled a cop-basher
Plus, I have been waiting for an excuse to quote myself...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.S.T. Glenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This post is directed to no one person, but toward Law Enforcement from a non-LEO.
I think all would agree that this forum is made up mostly of good upstanding citizens whether LEO or not.
Think about how you personally would react if plain Joe citizen walked up to you while you were on duty and asked to see your personal cell phone to determine whether or not you were making personal phone calls while on duty. He also states that if you are suspected of making personal calls or texts while on duty he will be filing a complaint with your department and presenting the findings to the news media unless you are fined or your pay is docked somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
I am willing to bet that any sane officer would tell him to pound sand, and rightfully so due to it being none of his damn business.
Would that officers reaction be deemed disrespectful to Joe citizen? After all, it is people like Joe who fund an officers salary.
I am just trying to make the point that some things are personal, and a stranger asking or even demanding that we as law abiding citizens submit to search of any kind just because we "have nothing to hide" is offensive in itself. Not to mention that we supposedly have a constitution that prohibits this very thing.
If there is such a growing distrust of Law Enforcement on a forum like this one, then the question I think needs to be asked is why.
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Careful Ratbert, after this post a cop insinuated I was ignorant and I was labeled a cop-basher
Plus, I have been waiting for an excuse to quote myself...
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
All of the times I have been stopped and harassed by cops has taught me a few important things.
Not all cops are bad it is just a few that mess it up for the rest.
When asked if they can search my car or vehicle. I always ask “May I ask why?” The cops always say drugs. My reply is get a drug dog and he can. I had just opened some beef jerky. So even if I had a bread bag of weed in my car that dog will only care about that jerky. Not that I have ever smoked weed. So I always have beef jerky with me.
Just because you are nice to a cop does not mean you will get any more or less of a ticket.
Most cops just want to hear what you have to say so if you have facts and seem like you know your stuff they will let you go.
If you sound like a jackass you are and they will mess you up.
Some cops are just Dinks.
All of the times I have been stopped and harassed by cops has taught me a few important things.
Not all cops are bad it is just a few that mess it up for the rest.
When asked if they can search my car or vehicle. I always ask “May I ask why?” The cops always say drugs. My reply is get a drug dog and he can. I had just opened some beef jerky. So even if I had a bread bag of weed in my car that dog will only care about that jerky. Not that I have ever smoked weed. So I always have beef jerky with me.
Just because you are nice to a cop does not mean you will get any more or less of a ticket.
Most cops just want to hear what you have to say so if you have facts and seem like you know your stuff they will let you go.
If you sound like a jackass you are and they will mess you up.
Some cops are just Dinks.
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
Last I checked, Police are civilians. Yes, they hold 'powers of arrest' just like anyone. Want my phone? Sorry dude, no way. I'll sign the traffic violation, but for the rest, son, you better get a damn warrant in your hands in 5 minutes, or you can kiss my veteran ass good bye becuae I am leaving. Oh, and don't think for a minute your big barreled beer bellied ass is going to even think about stopping me son, because ya see fat man with the badge, I am a vet, adn for my 26 years I stayed in shape enough to run 450 meters in full battle rattle or 4 miles in shorts and t-shirt, and guess what fat boy, I can outrun your beer gut ass in the 1320 or the mile.
So ya want my phone there big guy, come on and try to get it because your fat beer bellied ass don't stand a chance, there civilian. Yeah, civilian. You are nothing more than a civilian with a badge and you damned sure ain't special. More than likely you are the guy who got picked on in school or the bully who did it and you have a bad attitude.
Ya hearing this Clarksville's Finest? Ya ready for that diet and work out program yet, there fat boys?
Yes gents, I am laughing my ass off right now. You can safely say it's the whiskey talking, but holy bejeezus I have never in my life seen a bigger, yeah, I mean BIGGER group of LEO's in one place, I mean fat doesn't even come close to these plus sized chaps.
And yes, my grilled steak, corn on the cob, and wild rice was healthy. My college has a free gym and your's truly is doing his best to make sure no one EVER calls him a fat barrelled assed usedtawas!
Last I checked, Police are civilians. Yes, they hold 'powers of arrest' just like anyone. Want my phone? Sorry dude, no way. I'll sign the traffic violation, but for the rest, son, you better get a damn warrant in your hands in 5 minutes, or you can kiss my veteran ass good bye becuae I am leaving. Oh, and don't think for a minute your big barreled beer bellied ass is going to even think about stopping me son, because ya see fat man with the badge, I am a vet, adn for my 26 years I stayed in shape enough to run 450 meters in full battle rattle or 4 miles in shorts and t-shirt, and guess what fat boy, I can outrun your beer gut ass in the 1320 or the mile.
So ya want my phone there big guy, come on and try to get it because your fat beer bellied ass don't stand a chance, there civilian. Yeah, civilian. You are nothing more than a civilian with a badge and you damned sure ain't special. More than likely you are the guy who got picked on in school or the bully who did it and you have a bad attitude.
Ya hearing this Clarksville's Finest? Ya ready for that diet and work out program yet, there fat boys?
Yes gents, I am laughing my ass off right now. You can safely say it's the whiskey talking, but holy bejeezus I have never in my life seen a bigger, yeah, I mean BIGGER group of LEO's in one place, I mean fat doesn't even come close to these plus sized chaps.
And yes, my grilled steak, corn on the cob, and wild rice was healthy. My college has a free gym and your's truly is doing his best to make sure no one EVER calls him a fat barrelled assed usedtawas!
Re: Michigan cops scan cell phone during traffic stops
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last I checked, Police are civilians. Yes, they hold 'powers of arrest' just like anyone. Want my phone? Sorry dude, no way. I'll sign the traffic violation, but for the rest, son, you better get a damn warrant in your hands in 5 minutes, or you can kiss my veteran ass good bye becuae I am leaving. Oh, and don't think for a minute your big barreled beer bellied ass is going to even think about stopping me son, because ya see fat man with the badge, I am a vet, adn for my 26 years I stayed in shape enough to run 450 meters in full battle rattle or 4 miles in shorts and t-shirt, and guess what fat boy, I can outrun your beer gut ass in the 1320 or the mile.
So ya want my phone there big guy, come on and try to get it because your fat beer bellied ass don't stand a chance, there civilian. Yeah, civilian. You are nothing more than a civilian with a badge and you damned sure ain't special. More than likely you are the guy who got picked on in school or the bully who did it and you have a bad attitude.
Ya hearing this Clarksville's Finest? Ya ready for that diet and work out program yet, there fat boys?
Yes gents, I am laughing my ass off right now. You can safely say it's the whiskey talking, but holy bejeezus I have never in my life seen a bigger, yeah, I mean BIGGER group of LEO's in one place, I mean fat doesn't even come close to these plus sized chaps.
And yes, my grilled steak, corn on the cob, and wild rice was healthy. My college has a free gym and your's truly is doing his best to make sure no one EVER calls him a fat barrelled assed usedtawas!
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LMAO! Very to the point there soldier.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last I checked, Police are civilians. Yes, they hold 'powers of arrest' just like anyone. Want my phone? Sorry dude, no way. I'll sign the traffic violation, but for the rest, son, you better get a damn warrant in your hands in 5 minutes, or you can kiss my veteran ass good bye becuae I am leaving. Oh, and don't think for a minute your big barreled beer bellied ass is going to even think about stopping me son, because ya see fat man with the badge, I am a vet, adn for my 26 years I stayed in shape enough to run 450 meters in full battle rattle or 4 miles in shorts and t-shirt, and guess what fat boy, I can outrun your beer gut ass in the 1320 or the mile.
So ya want my phone there big guy, come on and try to get it because your fat beer bellied ass don't stand a chance, there civilian. Yeah, civilian. You are nothing more than a civilian with a badge and you damned sure ain't special. More than likely you are the guy who got picked on in school or the bully who did it and you have a bad attitude.
Ya hearing this Clarksville's Finest? Ya ready for that diet and work out program yet, there fat boys?
Yes gents, I am laughing my ass off right now. You can safely say it's the whiskey talking, but holy bejeezus I have never in my life seen a bigger, yeah, I mean BIGGER group of LEO's in one place, I mean fat doesn't even come close to these plus sized chaps.
And yes, my grilled steak, corn on the cob, and wild rice was healthy. My college has a free gym and your's truly is doing his best to make sure no one EVER calls him a fat barrelled assed usedtawas!
LMAO! Very to the point there soldier.
