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Rifle Scopes Mil Dots?

tireys

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Is it safe to say that a Scope equipped with target turrets is pretty useless with out the mil dot reticle? I was watching the Sniper Science program on the Military Channel and they way the explained the target acquisition is the shooter frames the target kill zone using the dots on the reticle which equates to 3.6 inches between dots and relays the info to the spotter and does the math to find distance by multiplying the inches times 25 something to find distance in yards and 27 something to find distance in meters. Without the ranging reticle or device and all you had was a duplex reticle you would have to carry another piece of equipment to determine range? Please advise
 
Re: Mil Dots?

this is very correct. there are all these "new" reticles and gadgets, but when it really boils down to it all the mildot is still the king. i have looked at some of these new products, and they look great. but i see alot of extra crap in the sight picture and most of these are way too fine for our uses. the first lowlight or field use and these fine marks will dissapear from view, kinda blend in with the environment being viewed. the sniper schools all teach the use of the mildot for range estimation. that is not to say that teams don't also carry lasers. some schools don't allow students to use calculators to make sure students can do the math without the aid of a battery powered devise.
 
Re: Mil Dots?

No.

A simple duplex can be used to range, even a dot suspended in the middle of the cross hair or even just a dot by itself.

Remember it is merely a relationship of the specific size of a given feature of a particular reticle at a known distance that is important.

If you had a duplex reticle - same deal, est a specific power to work from (be consistant in that), do the same barber pole test, and you can range with it. Same thing for a single 4 MOA dot (or any other sized dot or feature).

MIL Dots are one way, but not the only way.

Good luck
 
Re: Mil Dots?

You definitely need some way to range your target if working with targets at unknown distances (ie, anytime you aren't on a known distance range).

To a point you can "eyeball" the range, but obviously that is error prone, and at some distance (depending on the ballistics of your load, your skill at eyeball ranging, luck, etc), it will be too inaccurate for whatever level of precision it is that you require.

With practice, you can get more accurate distances by using a ranging reticle based on some unit of angular measurement (those units are usually MILs, true MOA [minute of angle], or IPHY [1 inch at 100 yards]. Based on the apparent size of the target in relation to the reticle markings, and the size of the target, you can calculate the range to the target (it's basically a ratio calculation combined with unit conversions -- the exact formula will depend on reticle type, units of measurement you are using, etc). Again, there is a point, depending the true range to the target, conditions, your skill, etc where this method will no longer be accurate enough for whatever level of precision your require.

You should be aware of the difference between first and second focal plane reticles. A second focal plane reticle is calibrated at a certain zoom power, so needs to be used at that power on a variable power scope for accurate ranging (you can also use math and range at various multiples of that power setting -- but that adds an extra layer of complexity). A first focal plane reticle gets larger/smaller along with the zoom of the scope, so the angular markings on the reticle are always "correct" at any power. The downside is that the scope markings get thinner/thicker as you zoom. For tactical style shooting first focal plane reticles (FFP) are very popular because of their versatility.

The other thing that a reticle helps with is accurately correcting for misses (you can see with the reticle exactly how much you need to correct for the next shot), and for "hold-offs", ie, correcting for wind/elevation by using the reticle markings instead of dialing on the knobs, which can be faster -- especially for follow up shots, changing wind, or multiple target engagements. It is a very good idea to get target knobs that have 'clicks' based on the same angular units as your reticle markings so that can easily go between reticle markings and "clicks". For example, Mil based reticle with .1 MIL clicks, or MOA based reticle with 1/4 MOA clicks.

Of course, there is technology that makes ranging extremely easy and accurate (if it works!). A good laser range finder (such as the Swaro Laser Guide) is faster and more accurate than reticle ranging -- but even if you can always range with the laser, reticle markings are still useful for corrections and hold-offs.

Hope that helps.

-Matt
 
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Recon by fire baby!!!!!

Seriously though, "target" or "tactical" turrets can be used without a mil reticle and vise versa. Mil dots are not the only method to determine range with a riflescope. There are also numerous external means to range a target (maps, LRFs, binos, spotting scopes, terrain association, etc.)