Rifle Scopes Military Issue Schmidt & Bender PMll Information / Help

[mjmd11]

I have had two Schmidt/Bender 4x16x40 PMll scopes laying around for a while, Both are in the same early serial range and were military issue. One is lighted and has a M118 top turret , while the second, is a non-illuminated scope that has a a 300wm turret. Both windage turrets are locking, both have Horus reticles and one has a ARD. I believe the 300wm may have been a USMC issued scope while the 7.62 was either Army or USMC. (Just speculation) Now to the point. S&B does not have the original user/training manuals for their military contract scopes. They were not supplied to the military. The manuals were written by the USMC and/or Army. Does anyone have a link or information that could assist me in hunting down the user manuals?

 

[bunny too]

Are you sure it is a 40mm objective tube?

 

[mjmd11]

Are you sure it is a 40mm objective tube?

No.. a recollection. i will measure it. if i remember correctly the OD of the bell is around 50 , the glass... 42? i will measure

 

[bunny too]

No.. a recollection. i will measure it. if i remember correctly the OD of the bell is around 50 , the glass... 42? i will measure

Do that and let me know, it is a hobby of mine to find free military training and operating manuals online.

 

[SBGreen0369]

i'm 99% its a 42mm objective. H37 reticle in both? the MK11 - M118LR scope was part of a first wave of MK11 prototype optics that got delivered to Ft Bragg in 05-06. the majority were 4-16x42 and have the twist-lock turrets like the yours does. i cant tell from the photos but i assume it has a number on the ocular and a scanable UID code. these scopes have a cool backstory. Department of the Army wouldn't let ODA purchase the scopes directly from Schmidt in germany so the scopes were purchased in pieces and assembled by Premier reticles in VA when they were still around.

cool optics man! those MK11 scopes are becoming more and more rare to find. they were offered up for $1700-1800 when they were decommissioned but ive seen them sell for $3k+ to the clone guys.

 

[SBGreen0369]

Some of the MK11 scopes trickled down to the Marine Corps when the army was done with them.

I’ve never seen a 4-16x42 with a 300WM marked turret before either so that’s a really cool one. The only branch I recall that shot 300WM around the time those scopes were produced was the Navy on the MK13’s.

 

[bunny too]

No.. a recollection. i will measure it. if i remember correctly the OD of the bell is around 50 , the glass... 42? i will measure

Here is a basic manual scroll down to the bottom of the page, I am still working on finding the military manual

Schmidt & Bender PM II Rifle Scopes instruction manual - Optics Trade Blog

Products: https://www.optics-trade.eu/en/schmidt-bender-3-12×50-pm-ii.html https://www.optics-trade.eu/en/schmidt-bender-3-12×50-pm-ii-p.html https://www.optics-trade.eu/en/schmidt-bender-4-16×42-pm-ii-lp.html...

www.optics-trade.eu

 

[nn8734]

I have had two Schmidt/Bender 4x16x40 PMll scopes laying around for a while, Both are in the same early serial range and were military issue. One is lighted and has a M118 top turret , while the second, is a non-illuminated scope that has a a 300wm turret. Both windage turrets are locking, both have Horus reticles and one has a ARD. I believe the 300wm may have been a USMC issued scope while the 7.62 was either Army or USMC. (Just speculation) Now to the point. S&B does not have the original user/training manuals for their military contract scopes. They were not supplied to the military. The manuals were written by the USMC and/or Army. Does anyone have a link or information that could assist me in hunting down the user manuals?

What numbers are your scopes? Those scopes are sweet man esp the Win Mag version. and like sbg0369 said, they were part of a very limited run for SOCOM from Schmidt Bender by way of Premier. I believe the locking mechanism on the elevation turret was discontinued after #50 or so.

I have #53 and the elevation turret (Mk11-M118LR) has a “button” on the top but doesn’t lock. I do have a locking windage turret. Another forum member was/is selling one of his for $3500 bucks IIRC.

 

[mjmd11]

What numbers are your scopes? Those scopes are sweet man esp the Win Mag version. and like sbg0369 said, they were part of a very limited run for SOCOM from Schmidt Bender by way of Premier. I believe the locking mechanism on the elevation turret was discontinued after #50 or so.

I have #53 and the elevation turret (Mk11-M118LR) has a “button” on the top but doesn’t lock. I do have a locking windage turret. Another forum member was/is selling one of his for $3500 bucks IIRC.

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scopes are #63 and #1 . Windage turret on M118lr locks. After you zero the unit ,the windage turret really becomes redundant with the Horus reticle .
INTERESTING THAT THEY WOULD USE 1/2 MOA INSTEAD OF MLS

 

[mjmd11]

Are you sure it is a 40mm objective tube?

42mm you are correct.

 

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