Rifle Scopes MOA adjustment/ Price Comparison

tanda10506

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First off I'm going to start off by saying that I'm not trying to make a point, I'm just asking a question.

I have a Millet LRS on my Remington 700 SPSV in .308. I like it a lot. It has 140MOA of adjustment, to me it's really clear, 25x magnification, and it wasn't to expensive at $450. I just bought a Remington 5r in .300Win Mag so of course I'm looking for a scope for that. I'll start off by saying that I've never used a scope more expensive then the Millet I have now, but I have looked through some $1000-1200 Leupold's. My budget for a scope is higher this time around so I've been looking at the $500 to $1000 range, where last time I was trying to keep it at or below $500. The clarity on the Leupold's that I saw for double the price of my Millet were not any clearer and they had less features. So I started looking at the Bushenll Elite's, some of the cheaper ($600-800) Zeiss scopes and of course the Vortex Viper's. They all for the most part seem to have all the common features of a good scope. My problem with most of them is that there seems to be a lack of elevation adjustment on almost all of them. Since I will eventually (when my skills develop) will be shooting the .300WM past 1K, I would like to have as much adjustment as possible. Other then the Millet LRS and TRS, the only other scope I find with a lot of adjustment are the Super Snipers. Which would be nice if I was interested in a fixed power scope. I know there are MOA bases and stuff like that, but I don't know why a scope that costs a lot more money would have less then half the adjustment. So I guess my questions are: Why is that? and since I haven't personally used a scope better then the one I have, what are you getting for the extra money? I'm not trying to make a big deal out of it or claim that one scope is better then the other, or that a $400 scope is as good as a $1000 scope. But it just doesn't make sense to me. Thanks.
 
Re: MOA adjustment/ Price Comparison

With a .300 WM shooting 190 SMKs on an ICAO standard day, you're going to need less than 50 MOA of adjustment to get that bullet as far as it's going to stay supersonic.

With a 20 MOA base, that means that a scope with only about 60 MOA of total adjustment will work fine. If your scope had more than 60 MOA - say at least 80 - you could use a 30 MOA base.

So, for that rifle, there are lots of choices in scopes.
 
Re: MOA adjustment/ Price Comparison

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With a .300 WM shooting 190 SMKs on an ICAO standard day, you're going to need less than 50 MOA of adjustment to get that bullet as far as it's going to stay supersonic.

With a 20 MOA base, that means that a scope with only about 60 MOA of total adjustment will work fine. If your scope had more than 60 MOA - say at least 80 - you could use a 30 MOA base.

So, for that rifle, there are lots of choices in scopes.
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First, bear with me, I am somewhat new still.

I know that there are MOA bases, but I'd prefer the scope to have the capability. Sounds pointless I know. You said I only need about 50Moa to shoot it out as far as it's going to stay supersonic, but from what I've read it stays supersonic a little past 1500 yards right? I don't have the skill to do that now, but I'm planning ahead, so that's why I ask.
 
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Agreed. Put a canted base on it and you should be fine. I have a 22-250 that I can get to a 1000yd with a 0 MOA base running a Zeiss Conquest. Clearly the 300 WM and the 22-250 are not in the same category. I would opt for the canted base and call it good. If you save a few more bucks, you could get into a used NF without zero stop. They come up for sale around here sometimes. That would give you a lot of travel. If you are really set on staying below the $1000 mark, I would go with the Bushnell Elite or Zeiss.
 
Re: MOA adjustment/ Price Comparison

In the conditions I noted, 1250 yards is about it. If you're shooting at a higher altitude, you might do better.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd prefer the scope to have the capability.</div></div>

Scopes with good optics and wide adjustment ranges tend to be more expensive. A Schmidt & Bender 5-25 will get you there from a flat base. It's your money - spend it as you like.
 
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Ok so let me ask this then, how much MOA is needed for a .300 Win Mag at 1500 yards? (probably should have asked that first)

Also, yes I need to stay under $1K. I've been looking in the classifieds here a lot though to, even though I prefer new.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the conditions I noted, 1250 yards is about it. If you're shooting at a higher altitude, you might do better.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd prefer the scope to have the capability.</div></div>

Scopes with good optics and wide adjustment ranges tend to be more expensive. A Schmidt & Bender 5-25 will get you there from a flat base. It's your money - spend it as you like.
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Seems low on the yardage. I've noticed that scopes with good optics and wide adjustment ranges are generally more expensive, which brings up the 2nd question I had asked. How come my scope now with 140 MOA and good optics was only $450?
 
Re: MOA adjustment/ Price Comparison

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tanda10506</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


How come my scope now with 140 MOA and good optics was only $450? </div></div>

Maybe because it was made in some Third World hellhole with child labor??????

Hell, if your happy with your $450 scope with 140 MOA of adjustment, just buy a few more and stick them on all your rifles. Maybe you just found the deal of the century. Don't let us peons convince you into buying "better" (read: more expensive w/less MOA) if your happy with what you got.

It appears you want us to convince you as to the "worthiness" of our choices as compared to yours.

Get your 300 Mag, put a Millet on it, and shoot a few thousand rounds, and get back to us on how it holds up over time.

As to your other question: 300 Win Mag 220 SMK @ 2800 FPS 61.4 MOA

Regards,

Bob
 
Re: MOA adjustment/ Price Comparison

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put data for your load, rifle, and conditions into the link below.

JBM Ballistics
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Wow that is in-depth. I don't think I know enough to use it lol. Thanks though, I'll see what I can find if I play with it for a while.
 
Re: MOA adjustment/ Price Comparison

This one is simpler and easier to use:

http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj_simp-5.1.cgi

This is about the minimum data set you must enter for the program to work:

Ballistic coefficient
Bullet weight
Caliber
Muzzle velocity
Sight height above the bore. This is not a critical measurement. Use a rule or tape measure to measure from the center of the bolt to the center of the scope tube.
Zero range

Temperature

Atmospheric pressure - this is the tricky one. See the section on entering atmospheric parameters in this link:

http://www.arcanamavens.com/LBSFiles/Shooting/Downloads/Baro/