Rifle Scopes MOA Reticles

[Early Cuyler]

Ok, before I get this started I learned to both range & adjust on moa reticles. It just seems easier to me than mils. That being said, I am wanting to begin saving up for a high-dollar scope and had a couple of questions.

Per research (google and SH search) I can't find any Hensoldt, Premier, or S&B PMII scopes with FFP MOA reticles. I'm smitten with the SB PMII 5-25x but will they accomodate such a request as a... MOA P4F?

I know USO offers the PCMOA reticle which I do like, but is that my only option? If I call Hensoldt/SB will I hang up the phone with the feeling Germany is going to invade Georgia?

Thanks for the help

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

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S&B is coming out w 5x25 pmII p4f Mia knobs. Call euro optics they might have or know about them

 

[Da-Law-Dawg]

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USO & NF both offer MOA reticles.

USO has a broad selection of MOA reticles available. I have ran two different USOs with the MOA scale 1 & currently run a TPAL with the RPDMOA reticle. Absolutely love the latter.

Unless you are hung up on the glass you mentioned, surf around USO's site & what they offer.

 

[Early Cuyler]

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I know S&B has MOA knobs, but what about the reticle itself? My understanding is the P4/P4F are in mils.

I guess I should have mentioned I want a FFP reticle (just updated the original post). Which rules out NF unless they get their act together and release "the beast" sometime soon.

I'm really wanting high-end glass with an MOA reticle & knobs. My glass rankings are thus:
1- Hensoldt
2- S&B
3- Premier/USO
5- NF

Rankings are based on reading a number of dick-measuring threads here e.g. "USO vs. S&B", "Hensoldt vs. Premier" etc. where posters have actually owned two or more of the different brands. Also I have 2 NFs, one cheap Hensoldt (4x24 but the glass is still amazing and I'm sure it doesn't compare to their high end line), and have handled a USO... once.

Please don't turn this into an argument of rankings.

 

[Dustin Morris]

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S&B is coming with a MOA reticle. Rob01 had a post about it a few months ago and if anybody would know it would be him. I think that it might be worth the wait. I hope this helps you.

Dustin

 

[pinzmann]

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S&B will have their MOA reticle out by the end of the year. Or so they say. Probably won't see them for a few months into next year.

 

[fw707]

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The Nightforce NP-R1 reticles work fine for me.
I looked through a Premier with a MOA reticle a couple of weeks ago and it was sweet.

 

[dcjs]

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There is an MOA reticle for the Premier 5-25x56 (and MOA knobs to go with it).

Look here for a couple of words on the what and why of the design.

Concerning image quality, you may want to read the respective parts of Ilya's articles "High End Tactical Scopes Part II" and "High End Tactical Scopes Part 3". Ilya's articles are much more informative than most any thread about "glass quality and why the scope I own is best" on the net.

 

[Early Cuyler]

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This is why I love this site. I'll probably hold out for the S&B (it'll take me a while to save up 3k+) even though that Premier reticle looks excellent to me.

Thanks for the help everybody!

 

[OldGuardShooter]

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I just got the MOA Nightforce F1 and am going to learn on it. now l have not looked through the others your talking about but l did take it and a Razor HD out and spend about 30 mins checking both of them out and liked the NF better. but I'm a rather new scope guy so the NF at 2300 bucks to me was the top of the line l could get into .

 

[JFComfort]

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S&B does have a MOA/MOA if you dig around you should be able to find it.

USO has a good selection of MOA reticles. I shoot MOA/MOA and am loving the CMG MOA reticle in my SN-3 T-Pal.

 

[Guest]

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3 USO's, w/ MDMOA's, 1/2 IPHY EREKs an 1/2 IPHY windage,here.

Tried all the others along the way, but when I went for a second an then a third scope, I decided to stay with the SN-3 an the MDMOA reticle's an 1/2 IPHY knobs.

Scope, reticle, an knob choice is subjective/submissive to your past shooting experience. If your a clean slate define the type/style of shooting you want to do, an try many combos before jumping into the deep end.

 

[JSTARSZ]

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just make sure you know what your MOA reticle is using - Inches Per Hundred yards (IPHY), or 1.047 inches as it changes your formula as in:
inches x 95.5/MOA or inches x 100/MOA - the further out you get the more it matters what you use in the formula.

 

[Early Cuyler]

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I usually range in IPHY using the MOA reticle and subtract 5% from that. It sounds weird but I can do it in my head a lot quicker than worrying about mils.

e.g. if a 10" target is taking up 3 MOA on my reticle, Range = 1000/3 =~ 333. Take 33.3/2 =~ 16.6. 333-16.6 =~ 316.7yds

And thats good enough for me.

 

[tylerw02]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: halcyon575</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, before I get this started I learned to both range & adjust on moa reticles. It just seems easier to me than mils. </div></div>

How is it easier? Is it easier to dial 26 MOA than 7.4 mils?

 

[Killer Spade 13]

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WIth you, Tyler, going to start to think in terms of meters and mils . . .

 

[JFComfort]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: halcyon575</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, before I get this started I learned to both range & adjust on moa reticles. It just seems easier to me than mils. </div></div>

How is it easier? Is it easier to dial 26 MOA than 7.4 mils?
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They are both angular measurements, they both do the same thing. Mil's are based off a unit of 10 so it’s easy to move the numbers around.

MOA correlates closely with a standard measurement (inch) so I like it better for range estimating. It’s easier for me to range things. You do the same thing with Mil's but you convert the target size into meters/centimeters.

Each have their pros and cons use whatever works for you and allows you to put rounds on target.

When I started shooting long range and competing I used a Lupy Mk4 3.5-10x40mm. The scope utilized a mil dot reticle and 0.25 MOA turrets. I think it’s a great system to start with because you learn both measurements and you can make a better decision from there which is better for you.

Honestly you can't go wrong as long and your reticle sub tensions match your turret adjustments.

 

[BobinNC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JFComfort</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You do the same thing with Mil's but you convert the target size into meters.
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JF,

You do NOT convert your target size to meters when you use MILS....

Just look at the common MIL-Dot Master:

Look Ma no meters... Just Mils, target range in Yds, MOA (for the Mil Challanged), with Bullet Drops and Target size in Inches and Feet.

You can flip the slide insert over, and you have MILS with bullet drops and target size and ranges in Meters, if you want to use those measurements, but it is not required.

 

[Dsparil]

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IOR has I believe to be the best MOA reticle.

 

[Killer Spade 13]

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Gotta git me wunna thim thangs . . .

 

[JFComfort]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Spade 13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gotta git me wunna thim thangs . . .</div></div>

You can buy one for $40 or make one yourself.

do;

target size in inches/mils x 27.77 for range in yards

target size in centimeters/mils x 1000 for range in meters

The mil dot master just did the math for you and put it in a easy slide rule.