Hunting & Fishing Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

[montyb]

good news in my AO:

Thursday, July 23, 2009
Hunting
Montana’s Fish, Wildlife & Parks will offer licenses for sale beginning Aug. 31 for the state’s first regulated wolf hunting season.

In July, officials set the statewide harvest quota at 75 wolves for hunting seasons that are set to open Sept. 15 in select backcountry, or wilderness, areas.

Licenses will be valid within three specifically defined wolf management units. Hunters must obtain permission to hunt on private lands.

Wolf licenses will be available for purchase online at fwp.mt.gov , or from any FWP license provider. Hunters must have, or also purchase, a valid 2009 conservation license. Wolf hunting licenses are $19 for residents and $350 for nonresidents.

Wolf hunting-season dates correspond to Montana’s early back-country big game hunting season, which runs Sept. 15 through Nov. 29; and the big game rifle season set for Oct. 25 through Nov. 29. If certain quotas aren’t met, the wolf-hunting season could be extended in some areas from Dec. 1 through Dec. 31.

The wolf-hunting season, however, could still be blocked by groups that recently sued the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to prevent wolf delisting. Such legal challenges prevented wolf delisting and a 2008 hunting season and could affect the sale of wolf hunting licenses this year. FWP intends to join the court proceedings in defense of the delisting decision at the appropriate time.

To learn more about Montana’s wolf population, visit FWP online at fwp.mt.gov. Click " Montana Wolves ".

 

[paraman1]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Get Some !! I know that we cannot turn back the clock and get rid of the Canadian Wolves the Fed saddled us with but maybe having a predator will make them more reclusive and maybe even fear human beings . My buddies Dad runs cattle near Glenns Ferry and Preston Idaho and I have seen the damage these predators can do .

 

[CoCaDoRi]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In July, officials set the statewide harvest quota at 75 wolves for hunting seasons that are set to open Sept. 15 in select backcountry, or wilderness, areas.</div></div>

Fuck, 75 that's it? It'll take you guys all of 10 min. to fill that quota.

Be prepared to meet many a greenie/tree hugger/peta types the day it opens.

They really are an amazing animal but we've got way to many.

 

[hunter530]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

You're lucky. The arf a$$holes have already filed suit to block wolf hunting in Michigan. Sadly, the deer herd continues to decline and there's no end in sight.

 

[1990GT50]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1sikpupi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">good news in my AO:

Hunters must obtain permission to hunt on private lands.
</div></div>

This shouldn't be too hard as they're more of a pest for ranchers/ farmers...

 

[MTETM]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Damn Good,
Gonna have to try and get one....! Both the tag and the Wolf....!!

Great fun this fall!

 

[skinney_7]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

dang, wish i could get me one of those tags.

 

[buckey]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

We need you hunters out there to gut shoot a couple before you use your tag.

75 wolves is far too litle - Kill every last one of tha suns sa bitches.

 

[ToddM]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1990GT50</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1sikpupi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">good news in my AO:

Hunters must obtain permission to hunt on private lands.
</div></div>

This shouldn't be too hard as they're more of a pest for ranchers/ farmers... </div></div>

If MT is anything like ND sadly that probably won't be the case. Usually the farmers/ranchers that bitch the most about deer/antelope/Pdogs/etc. eating their crops or animals are the same ones that want to charge hunters $150 a day to hunt on their land. Once they find out they have a resource you can bet they will be charging for access to it.

As for the deer population in Michigan you obviously have not been there long or are not aware of it's history. In the early 1900's due to over hunting the deer population was estimated to be under 50,000, causing a stoppage of buck hunting, it rebounded but in the early 70's it was back down to around 500,000 due to habitat problems (lack of timber logging reduced new growth) and it peaked in the late 80's at around 2 million and is somewhere around 1.7 million today......still more than the DNR feels is a good balance by 300,000-500,000 animals. So while wolves may be eating some of those I'd be a lot more worried about your DNR that wants to cut the population by another 30%+.

It's always funny but the hunters that complain they no longer have any animals to shoot due to other predators, are not specific enough in their complaint. Usually it's not that they can't find game, it's that they can't find trophy game. The #1 reason for that is not wolves or any other natural predator it's that states issue too many buck permits every year and not enough animals are allowed to mature.

This is compounded by the fact most people don't hunt for meat anymore, they hunt for the rack. So it's a vicious cycle, if states want to control population they have to issue more buck tags because people don't want doe tags. In doing so though less animals are allowed to get to mature trophy bucks. That's why the states that are the hardest to get tags in often yield the better animals. It's why here in NV 50% of the people that harvest a bull elk harvest a 6x6 or better, but you might wait 20 years for a tag even if you are a resident. They'd rather issue less tags giving hunters a chance at a better harvest than too many tags year after year so animals are not allowed to fully mature.

 

[strick9]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

I am stoked for you guys and hope the hunt goes off as planned it is desperately needed in the Darby area of Mt and others.

I simply couldn't believe what I saw and heard on my daily forays, with wolves even cutting my own tracks, their track upon mine in snow within two hours of me making a loop.

Predator management is at the top of the list when it comes to the healthy management of any game species be it feather or fur hands down.

 

[hunter530]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Well, well, according to a clairvoyant from the defunct Psychic Friends Network, I haven't lived in Michigan long enough or that I don't know about the history of the deer herd, etc. What a sack of bovine excrement. I've got better that 50 years here, so I'm pretty well aware of what's going on as far as the deer herd, both past and present. Also, I'm in the woods almost every day and I see firsthand what's going on. I'm not a nimrod that speculates from afar, nor do I look at wolf fairy tales.

There are areas completely void of deer due to wolf predation and the statistics don't show this, nor do the wolf lovers believe it. It doesn't only happen here, but in just about every state that the wolves were turned loose and allowed to kill at will.

As far as harvesting a deer, I've shot enough in my lifetime that I don't care if I ever shoot another one. However, I still want to SEE deer and it's becoming harder and harder every year. I'd bet that your story would change if the wolves were turned loose in your area and allowed to kill unchecked.

 

[ToddM]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Heh, considering that michigan has about 17x the deer population of NV and probalby has the second highest deer population in the country next to Wisconsin depending on who's numbers you believe. And that Michican kills more deer in car accidents every year than most states get to tags to hunt I doubt too many are going to feel sorry for ya and the few the predators take.

Area's completely void of deer......we call that normal, if they were that annoying and everywhere we'd call them people.

You misunderstand my post, I'm all for hunting wolves, and anything else for that matter. I just find it amusing that in most states the hunters themselves, and especially poor game management practices both in habitat and permit issuing practices are much much bigger problems for the game than any predator is. Yet instead of hunters trying to get better game and habitat management practices pushed through they just bitch about not being able to hunt wolves. Which on the scale of problems for game are a tiny tiny factor even if it's not that way in your little little back yard. They are as silly and misguided as those that push so hard to protect the wolves.

 

[montyb]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Todd, i don't get your point. FWP is in charge of both game licenses and the wolf population yet you bitch about hunters and land owners as being the problems.

and speaking of back yards, does yours have wolves? what i find amusing is how those that will never have a wolf in their AO are their biggest supporters, and those of us that have to live with them are "misguided" because we don't understand the big picture? gimme a break!

 

[hunter530]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Nothing like dancing around the issues. What you call normal, we call elimination of deer due to wolf predation. Then again, I live here and don't have to bullschit about the deer herd and the wolf population in Michigan.

I didn't misunderstand your post. You attempt to portray that you have knowledge about the deer herd and the wolf population in my home state and you don't know jack schit about it. Then you become a game management specialist and pontificate on the deer herd, predator prey balance and the lust to kill only trophy animals. Again, more bovine excrement on your part. I find it utterly ridiculous that someone that thinks they are such an authority on the subject has no wolf population in their home state.

 

[GUNNER75]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Let's see some wolf pics! Some day I am going!

 

[hydro556]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter530</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're lucky. The arf a$$holes have already filed suit to block wolf hunting in Michigan. Sadly, the deer herd continues to decline and there's no end in sight. </div></div>

Kill them anyway, unlikely to get hassled. The people with any sense want them gone. If some pinko says something, you shot it in defense.

Cockroaches

 

[spaniel]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter530</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing like dancing around the issues. What you call normal, we call elimination of deer due to wolf predation. Then again, I live here and don't have to bullschit about the deer herd and the wolf population in Michigan.

I didn't misunderstand your post. You attempt to portray that you have knowledge about the deer herd and the wolf population in my home state and you don't know jack schit about it. Then you become a game management specialist and pontificate on the deer herd, predator prey balance and the lust to kill only trophy animals. Again, more bovine excrement on your part. I find it utterly ridiculous that someone that thinks they are such an authority on the subject has no wolf population in their home state.

</div></div>

Speaking of Michigan, if wolves are such total exterminators, how does Isle Royale National Park serve as home to captive populations of wolves and moose, yet research has shown that tick infestations are more of a limitation to the moose population than the wolves? If wolves are as completely efficient as so claimed, the moose should be exterminated by now, the wolves have been there like 30 years.

I applaud opening seasons to regulate wolf populations, they need to be managed just like the game populations or there will NOT be a balance, only an over-correction at the expense of the game that cannot be rebalanced until the wolf food becomes limiting (kiss your hunting availability goodbye).

You must be in the UP, because from Saginaw Bay south the deer are thicker than ever. When I started hunting 20 years ago you were happy to see a couple deer in a day within shooting range, the last few years I hunted there I'd fill 5-6 doe tags in half a day, being picky.

 

[Strangedays]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

I live in Idaho and we have a serious problem with wolves,
I can't even hunt anymore without seeing them. I have had several circle in and check me out and theres something errie about the way they stare at you, maybe its the fact that they see us as food. Our Elk have been killed down to below the wanted herd amount set by the fish and game. They figure that wolves have now killed over thousands of new fawns and yearlings this year alone. I can't wait to get my tag and shoot one of those pieces of shit!

 

[spaniel]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I live in Idaho and we have a serious problem with wolves,
I can't even hunt anymore without seeing them. I have had several circle in and check me out and theres something errie about the way they stare at you, maybe its the fact that they see us as food. Our Elk have been killed down to below the wanted herd amount set by the fish and game. They figure that wolves have now killed over thousands of new fawns and yearlings this year alone. I can't wait to get my tag and shoot one of those pieces of shit! </div></div>

Never let tree-huggers manage game or habitat, it's a sure way to screw it up. I see nothing wrong with a "few" wolves, but the way they've been allowed to overpopulate with no control, it's bound to screw things up.

I guess wolves must be cuter than elk or something?

 

[hunter530]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter530</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing like dancing around the issues. What you call normal, we call elimination of deer due to wolf predation. Then again, I live here and don't have to bullschit about the deer herd and the wolf population in Michigan.

I didn't misunderstand your post. You attempt to portray that you have knowledge about the deer herd and the wolf population in my home state and you don't know jack schit about it. Then you become a game management specialist and pontificate on the deer herd, predator prey balance and the lust to kill only trophy animals. Again, more bovine excrement on your part. I find it utterly ridiculous that someone that thinks they are such an authority on the subject has no wolf population in their home state.

</div></div>

Speaking of Michigan, if wolves are such total exterminators, how does Isle Royale National Park serve as home to captive populations of wolves and moose, yet research has shown that tick infestations are more of a limitation to the moose population than the wolves? If wolves are as completely efficient as so claimed, the moose should be exterminated by now, the wolves have been there like 30 years.

I applaud opening seasons to regulate wolf populations, they need to be managed just like the game populations or there will NOT be a balance, only an over-correction at the expense of the game that cannot be rebalanced until the wolf food becomes limiting (kiss your hunting availability goodbye).

You must be in the UP, because from Saginaw Bay south the deer are thicker than ever. When I started hunting 20 years ago you were happy to see a couple deer in a day within shooting range, the last few years I hunted there I'd fill 5-6 doe tags in half a day, being picky. </div></div>


Isle Royale is more or less a controlled area, since the habitat and access is limited. There's a bit more to it than wolves running rampant however. The following ink has more information.

http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/overview/overview/at_a_glance.html

If you've noticed, the reintroduced moose population in the UP of Michigan was supposed to be a huntable population by the year 2000. The MI DNR can't, or won't, explain what happened to the moose population as the numbers are now down in the low hundreds, instead of the 1000+ animals that were supposed to be here by 2000. Of course, wolves are seldom mentioned as a possible cause for their demise.

The deer herd here has dropped drastically since the wolf reintroduction and most areas with wolves are almost completely void of deer. This occurs just about everywhere that the wolves have been dumped on the states. Michigan is not alone in this respect.

The wolves are now established below the bridge. It'll be interesting to see just how long it'll take for opinions to change once the deer/game populations take a big drop in each hunters area. If that isn't enough, wait until the elk herd in the LP starts getting hammered by the wolves.

The one thing that I do wish had happened, is that the wolves would have been dumped in the LP from the start. After all, the brain dead fools that wanted them in Michigan in the first place, live down there, not here.

 

[Brokenshooter]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Great day for you!
Over here in north idaho our deer herds are hit hard by wolfs, and cougars. I just had a replacement doeling carried off by a cougar last month. Our neighbor was also stalked by a wolf up on Hoodoo Mountain just north of us, I hope you fill your tag, and i hope idaho follows MT. Good Shooting...

 

[mtstcon]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Good for Montana!!! I hope Wyoming gets it going before there isn't any Moose left here. Oops, I guess it is the drought that has the numbers down.(rolls eyes)

 

[Strangedays]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brokenshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great day for you!
Over here in north idaho our deer herds are hit hard by wolfs, and cougars. I just had a replacement doeling carried off by a cougar last month. Our neighbor was also stalked by a wolf up on Hoodoo Mountain just north of us, I hope you fill your tag, and i hope idaho follows MT. Good Shooting... </div></div>
I have heard there are wolves on Hoodoo yet I have never seen them yet, That should have them past Blanchard and up into Spokane here before long. Just another reason they need to be managed!

 

[spaniel]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter530</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter530</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing like dancing around the issues. What you call normal, we call elimination of deer due to wolf predation. Then again, I live here and don't have to bullschit about the deer herd and the wolf population in Michigan.

I didn't misunderstand your post. You attempt to portray that you have knowledge about the deer herd and the wolf population in my home state and you don't know jack schit about it. Then you become a game management specialist and pontificate on the deer herd, predator prey balance and the lust to kill only trophy animals. Again, more bovine excrement on your part. I find it utterly ridiculous that someone that thinks they are such an authority on the subject has no wolf population in their home state.

</div></div>

Speaking of Michigan, if wolves are such total exterminators, how does Isle Royale National Park serve as home to captive populations of wolves and moose, yet research has shown that tick infestations are more of a limitation to the moose population than the wolves? If wolves are as completely efficient as so claimed, the moose should be exterminated by now, the wolves have been there like 30 years.

I applaud opening seasons to regulate wolf populations, they need to be managed just like the game populations or there will NOT be a balance, only an over-correction at the expense of the game that cannot be rebalanced until the wolf food becomes limiting (kiss your hunting availability goodbye).

You must be in the UP, because from Saginaw Bay south the deer are thicker than ever. When I started hunting 20 years ago you were happy to see a couple deer in a day within shooting range, the last few years I hunted there I'd fill 5-6 doe tags in half a day, being picky. </div></div>


Isle Royale is more or less a controlled area, since the habitat and access is limited. There's a bit more to it than wolves running rampant however. The following ink has more information.

http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/overview/overview/at_a_glance.html

If you've noticed, the reintroduced moose population in the UP of Michigan was supposed to be a huntable population by the year 2000. The MI DNR can't, or won't, explain what happened to the moose population as the numbers are now down in the low hundreds, instead of the 1000+ animals that were supposed to be here by 2000. Of course, wolves are seldom mentioned as a possible cause for their demise.

The deer herd here has dropped drastically since the wolf reintroduction and most areas with wolves are almost completely void of deer. This occurs just about everywhere that the wolves have been dumped on the states. Michigan is not alone in this respect.

The wolves are now established below the bridge. It'll be interesting to see just how long it'll take for opinions to change once the deer/game populations take a big drop in each hunters area. If that isn't enough, wait until the elk herd in the LP starts getting hammered by the wolves.

The one thing that I do wish had happened, is that the wolves would have been dumped in the LP from the start. After all, the brain dead fools that wanted them in Michigan in the first place, live down there, not here.

</div></div>

You dodge the question, if wolves are the ultimate eliminating predator, why are there moose left on Isle Royale? As you state, it's a "controlled" environment, so they can't escape. Yet the ticks kill more moose that the wolves many years (I know the researchers from the website you link as I went to college there).

It seems hunters unreasonably demonize them as much as the tree-huggers saint them.

The wolves in the UP are nowhere near as thick as they are in Wyoming/Idaho so that's not your primary problem with the deer. Minnesota has a lot more wolves and they still have deer.

 

[hunter530]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You dodge the question, if wolves are the ultimate eliminating predator, why are there moose left on Isle Royale? As you state, it's a "controlled" environment, so they can't escape. Yet the ticks kill more moose that the wolves many years (I know the researchers from the website you link as I went to college there).

It seems hunters unreasonably demonize them as much as the tree-huggers saint them.

The wolves in the UP are nowhere near as thick as they are in Wyoming/Idaho so that's not your primary problem with the deer. Minnesota has a lot more wolves and they still have deer. </div></div>

You went to Tech and you "know the researchers from the website you link as I went to college there." What's your point?


Someone won't, or can't, read or comprehend. You say "it's a "controlled" environment, so they can't escape." The moose/wolves CAN escape from the island. How do you think that they got there in the first place?


Hopefully, the wolves will get into your hunting area. As I said earlier, the "smart people" below the bridge wanted these things put here in the first place. Now that they are established below the bridge, you'll get a chance to enjoy them firsthand.

****************************************************************

BTW, here's some wolf numbers.

Idaho's wolf population.

The Idaho wolf population has continued to expand in size and distribution ...yielded a minimum population
estimate of 732 wolves in Idaho for 2007 (Nadeau et al. 2008).


Wyoming's wolf population:
Wyoming’s wolf population went from 359 animals in 2007 to 302 animals last year. There were more than 42 packs, with 178 wolves outside Yellowstone National Park and 124 animals inside Yellowstone.


Michigan's wolf population.
Since then, Michigan DNR trackers estimate that there were at least 174 wolves in 1998-99, increasing to 520 in 2007-2008.

Michigan, through the DNR, completed a Wolf Recovery and Management Plan in December 1997, which was revised in 2008. The Michigan plan recommends managing for a minimum of 200 wolves on the Upper Peninsula. The DNR’s goal is to ensure the wolf population remains viable and above a level that would require either federal or state reclassification as a threatened or endangered species.



There have been wolves residing on Isle Royale, Michigan, in Lake Superior, since the winter of 1948-49. Their population has moved up and down with that of their prime prey -moose. Disease is also believed to be an important factor in population fluctuations. Following a peak of 50 wolves in 1979, the population plummeted to the low teens in the late 1980s and early 1990s. They have since rebounded to 23 wolves. Due to their isolation from other wolves, these wolves do not contribute to Federal wolf recovery goals.

 

[Rntobey]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

Here in Idaho,they have just set a wolf season. Tags go on sale aug 24. f&g is going to allow 220 wolves be harvested which is about half of what they wanted to eliminate. At least it is a start.

 

[spaniel]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter530</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You went to Tech and you "know the researchers from the website you link as I went to college there." What's your point?


Someone won't, or can't, read or comprehend. You say "it's a "controlled" environment, so they can't escape." The moose/wolves CAN escape from the island. How do you think that they got there in the first place?


Hopefully, the wolves will get into your hunting area. As I said earlier, the "smart people" below the bridge wanted these things put here in the first place. Now that they are established below the bridge, you'll get a chance to enjoy them firsthand.

****************************************************************

BTW, here's some wolf numbers.

Idaho's wolf population.

The Idaho wolf population has continued to expand in size and distribution ...yielded a minimum population
estimate of 732 wolves in Idaho for 2007 (Nadeau et al. 2008).


Wyoming's wolf population:
Wyoming’s wolf population went from 359 animals in 2007 to 302 animals last year. There were more than 42 packs, with 178 wolves outside Yellowstone National Park and 124 animals inside Yellowstone.


Michigan's wolf population.
Since then, Michigan DNR trackers estimate that there were at least 174 wolves in 1998-99, increasing to 520 in 2007-2008.

Michigan, through the DNR, completed a Wolf Recovery and Management Plan in December 1997, which was revised in 2008. The Michigan plan recommends managing for a minimum of 200 wolves on the Upper Peninsula. The DNR’s goal is to ensure the wolf population remains viable and above a level that would require either federal or state reclassification as a threatened or endangered species.



There have been wolves residing on Isle Royale, Michigan, in Lake Superior, since the winter of 1948-49. Their population has moved up and down with that of their prime prey -moose. Disease is also believed to be an important factor in population fluctuations. Following a peak of 50 wolves in 1979, the population plummeted to the low teens in the late 1980s and early 1990s. They have since rebounded to 23 wolves. Due to their isolation from other wolves, these wolves do not contribute to Federal wolf recovery goals.


</div></div>

I note the you still can't answer a simple, direct question. You can quote stuff from the internet and whine that wolves are killing all your deer, but not explain how they seem unable to do the same thing on an island where their prey is contained (when was the last winter Superior froze over and allowed the moose to walk to safety?)

I'd welcome some wolves where I hunt, since the state and other hunters seem incompetent to properly control the herd. But I'd want a management plan in place to control the wolves too.

 

[hunter530]

Re: Montana Wolf tags go on sale Aug. 31

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">







I note the you still can't answer a simple, direct question. You can quote stuff from the internet and whine that wolves are killing all your deer, but not explain how they seem unable to do the same thing on an island where their prey is contained (when was the last winter Superior froze over and allowed the moose to walk to safety?)

I'd welcome some wolves where I hunt, since the state and other hunters seem incompetent to properly control the herd. But I'd want a management plan in place to control the wolves too. </div></div>


I see they don't teach reading or comprehension at Tech. For example, you brought up wolf numbers in other states. I provided the numbers and they proved you wrong, again.

Do your own research on Lake Superior and when it freezes over to allow any animals to travel on it. Hint, the wolves in the LP are supposed to have traveled on the ice in the recent past to their new home in the LP.

BTW, when the wolves get to your area, make sure to enjoy watching them as lawsuits have prevented any management of the aforementioned predators. Evidentally, you're not quite up to speed on the wolf situation in Michigan as the current lawsuit preventing delisting the wolf is old news.

Thanks for the laugher about incompetant hunters too. All this from an appleknocker no less.