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More Leftists are Joining SH of Late, Concerning or Benign?

Arc Light

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    Is it me, or has their been a noticeable uptick in new members with leftist political views? On the one hand, we need pro-2nd Amendment supporters of all political stripes. No argument there. But I wonder about some of these new members. They are often combative, outspoken, and take wildly opposite views to 99% of the members here. Most troubling to me, they are virulently anti-Trump, yet claim to be pro-2nd Amendment gun owners. Really? That does not compute for me. They claim to be pro-gun, yet don't support the ONLY candidate running who hasn't promised to destroy the 2nd Amendment? Every single Dem running has stated they will make it a priority to restrict our rights and make criminals of us all if we don't comply.

    So I question the motives of this recent wave of left wing members who claim to support our god-given rights. Could this be some sort of concerted effort by anti-gun groups to probe their enemy and gather as much intel as possible? Get us to let our guard down, post questionable shit, then report it to the government? Or do I need to have my tin-foil hat re-sized ;)
     
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    Nothing good has ever become of libs joining in on anything. Just look at where they have destroyed....Detroit, Chicago, California , Seattle ,austin to name a few. If they were capable of helping......they wouldn't be a lib!
     
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    Heh heh they are funny quite frankly. Let them come on here and troll they need an outlet and are just frustrated their party is committing seppuku daily, but with a butter knife. Just have fun on them and poke back in kind b/c they are not going away. If you can learn to enjoy them for what they are it's a lot more fun. But yes I can see a ton of new ones the past month with brand new accounts.....first and all posts in Bear Pit.
     
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    Easy peasy. Just take a play out of their playbook.

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    Arc Light said:
    Is it me, or has their been a noticeable uptick in new members with a leftist political view and questionable motives? On the one hand, we need pro-2nd Amendment supporters of all political stripes. No argument there. But I wonder about some of these new members. They are often combative, outspoken, and take wildly opposite views to 99% of the members here. Most troubling to me, they are virulently anti-Trump, yet claim to be pro-2nd Amendment gun owners. Really? That does not compute for me. They claim to be pro-gun, yet don't support the ONLY candidate running who is not 100% anti-gun? Every single Dem running would outlaw the hobby we all come here to discuss and enjoy. They would relegate us to single shot pistols and long guns limited to 22 LR. They would gladly turn us all into criminals if we don't comply.

    So I question the motives of this recent wave of members who are clearly leftists, yet claim to support our hobby and god-given rights. Could this be some sort of concerted effort by anti-gun forces to probe their enemy and gather as much intel as possible? Get us to let our guard down, post questionable shit, then report it to the government? Or do I need to have my tin-foil hat re-sized ;)
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    Maybe looking for Intel so they can red flag someone's ass when the time comes. ?
     
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    Apply Alinsky rules on them. Especially #5
    1. "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
    2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
    3. "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
    4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
    5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
    6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
    7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
    8. "Keep the pressure on."
    9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
    10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
    11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside."
    12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
    13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
     
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    Often times, Libertarians will be confused for leftists because people who are not politically astute can not comprehend the concept of politics not being black and white...Not supporting Trump does not automatically make you a leftist democrat... Personally I think Trump could care less about gun rights and individual freedom, he is in it for glory and his stance will sway with political opportunity. When we realize that our second amendment rights are not protected by politicians but by the well armed populace, then maybe we will be brave enough to take a political risk and establish a viable third party based on principles held by the average man. Voting out of fear is not voting...it is compliance to your overlord.
     
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    I have seen the leftist trolls pushing hard in several instances. My gut tells me they are trying to provoke people into saying something stupid. like threatening to kill them. Don't do that or you fall right into the trap.

    What can they do with that? Not really sure but I think its just best to stay calm and return fire; verbally. If you really feel the need; just call them out for the pearl clutchers that they are and move on.
     
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    Mechdesigner said:
    Often times, Libertarians will be confused for leftists because people who are not politically astute can not comprehend the concept of politics not being black and white...Not supporting Trump does not automatically make you a leftist democrat... Personally I think Trump could care less about gun rights and individual freedom, he is in it for glory and his stance will sway with political opportunity. When we realize that our second amendment rights are not protected by politicians but by the well armed populace, then maybe we will be brave enough to take a political risk and establish a viable third party based on principles held by the average man. Voting out of fear is not voting...it is compliance to your overlord.
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    I actually agree with you regarding Trump's views on guns and the 2nd Amendment. I've said so several times right here. But I'm also a pragmatist and a realist. Of all the candidates running, Trump is the only one who would not destroy the 2nd Amendment as their first order of business. He has also appointed and continues to appoint very conservative and very pro-2nd Amendment judges for life terms. I would consider voting Libertarian if it were not in essence a vote for the Dems. I've seen what voting Libertarian can mean in close elections right here in my home state. The 3-5% of the vote they siphoned from the pro-gun Republican resulted in the election of a douche-bag Dem. Has happened twice in the last 8 years. So I'll be voting for Trump even though I know full well what's up.
     
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    It would be wise to be more open to differing political views in the 2A community. Yes, the current Democratic Party surely wants to remove guns from civilian hands, but that doesn't mean that every individual person feels that way. I'm socially pretty liberal and think Trump is a terrible president in some ways, but I will certainly vote for him because he's less likely to take more of my rights away.
     
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    Theres rarely a point in arguing with people. Simply plant the seed or help them see the truth. Once they see it, it cant be unseen.
     
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    Nothing wrong with listening and engaging constructively with the left. Problem is much of the left have no interest in constructive discussion. The ones that you meet on the street should be mostly avoided at all costs. Bolstered by numbers they are more then happy to shout at you, spit on you or worse.

    The problem is: I cant shoot them, club them, stab them or even beat them about the head-neck-face-and-chest until they pass out; for spitting in my wifes face. The natural order has been so upset that even defending my wifes honor makes me a criminal. And they know it.
     
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    little_scrapper said:
    I have seen the leftist trolls pushing hard in several instances. My gut tells me they are trying to provoke people into saying something stupid. like threatening to kill them. Don't do that or you fall right into the trap.

    What can they do with that? Not really sure but I think its just best to stay calm and return fire; verbally. If you really feel the need; just call them out for the pearl clutchers that they are and move on.
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    Your kinda new hear yourself.
    Name me 2 of the duke boys cousins or we burn you at the stake.
     
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    You mean Bo, Luke and Daisy?? Man she was smokin in those shorts that we have long ago named after her!

    However I thought they are siblings. The only "cousin" I remember was Coy.
     
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    I reread you question and edited post I got Coy. Thats all i could remember without actually googling. Not gonna bother. I passed. I do NOT weigh the same as a duck.

    Also, you are more the Jessica abla witch era I'm more the Monte Python Witch Era. 5 min.
     
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    I'm not Left nor Right and I am certainly not intimidated to state my views nor does it make me upset to hear views that I disagree with. That said there are some folks that cannot have a discussion on *anything* without being a dick when you tell them something they don't like, don't believe, or can't understand.

    This is not an exclusive thing to Left or Right....I have noticed that anyone who doesn't drink from the fountain of Trump or slide way Right is automatically a Commie or Socialist/Leftist here at The Hide but that's just part of the lay of the land.

    I will say that I have never had so many people on ignore as I have here....then again this forum has more talented and opinionated people than any other forum I frequent so if I read posts that just waste my time because of ignornace, rudeness, stupidity, or bias and it happens over and over I just put 'em on ignore and we all rest better.

    As has already been stated - no one discusses anything any more. We all have our point and there is little room for enlightenment or changing anyone's mind. No sense getting into a pissing match. Just fucking ignore dumb fucks and everybody is happy Left, Right, Religious, Stupid, Happy, Ignorant or whatever. I'm amused when people here discover that Leftists and Socialists are not automatically anti gun/anti 2A and it just enrages them. Sad truth, and maybe it's because of my geographic location or my age, I know more Democrats and Socialists that own guns and train regularly than I do Right Thinking/Republicans. I was raised by a decorated combat veteran who was a Union Stewart most of his life and a die hard Democrat that raised 7 kids (abortion is murder to he and my mother) and taught me to shoot and instilled a life long love of firearms and taught me the meaning and significance of the 2A. My Wife is a Life long Democrat, daughter of an Iowa farmer whose father (my FIL) was a life long Democrat and shared my love of guns and taught me to hand load.

    It's a tough world when everything is binary - like Dems or Republicans - Left vs Right.

    Not one fucking thing in Life is that simple unless yer not very bright.

    VooDoo
     
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    At least you put your dumb fuck list in the correct order ;)
     
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    When do we start going to the leftist sites and seeing if we can get them to threaten to kill us? Then get THEIR sites shut down?
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    Fire up the VPN's lets roll.

    But in all honesty. IMO its really sad that such large numbers of both sides are incapable of civil discourse. It has been my experience, (granted ones experience is ALWAYS biased) that the left even more-so than the right tend to get emotional and tend to use opinions and feelings as argumentative realities. But that's where we are. Politics are so polarizing that you often dare not bring politics up at work or even in a social setting. Sad, really.

    As for libertarians, meh... at some point not taking a stand is worse than taking a side. Cant sit on the fence and expect much. Shit or get off the pot...as they say. I respect libertarians though, and feel my own beliefs often square with libertarians...

    There is a lot of common ground that can be found, but the hatred is so blind that you can't even get a conversation started to find commonality. There are MANY things left-middle-right would agree on. Plenty actually. But...you know...

    It will not get better, in fact it will get much, much worse. There are many reasons why that I will not go into here.
     
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    Enjoy the debate when they have the brains to debate but once asked hard questions they refuse to answer and deflect or resort to some lowest common denominator projection.

    Ask them things that are plain to see and they will say shit like "We are not talking about that, this is about X"

    So unless they can control 100 percent of the conversation they become little pussies and its time for the ban cat to get some.
     
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    something I have seen in forums before is someone gets offended at a forum full of opposing views
    they then go find like minded folks and send them a link and say hey go join here and help me fight these stupid idiots
    Lets just hope that isn't happening here....
     
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    something I have seen in forums before is someone gets offended at a forum full of opposing views
    they then go find like minded folks and send them a link and say hey go join here and help me fight these stupid idiots
    Lets just hope that isn't happening here....
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    We should be doing that to them but having a job and family there is only so much time and Id rather avoid the conflict and seek entertainment.

    Its not like their motivation where Soros or Bloomturd can pay some slacker a Subway gift card to come here and give us grief instead of laying on the couch in Moms basement.
     
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    Enjoy the debate when they have the brains to debate but once asked hard questions they refuse to answer and deflect or resort to some lowest common denominator projection.

    Ask them things that are plain to see and they will say shit like "We are not talking about that, this is about X"

    So unless they can control 100 percent of the conversation they become little pussies and its time for the ban cat to get some.
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    A favorite quote:
    "If they attack you personally, it means they have not a single political argument left".


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    The reliable survey showing the lowest ownership of firearms among Ds is this:
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    1 in 5 of left-of-center folks. That's a hell of a lot of them. Now include the Rs who are not vigorous supporters of the current administration, and we're up to threads like... well this one, most of the Bear Pit actively turning off around 3/4 of all gun owners by insulting or threatening them.

    That seems politically... not astute. More supporters can only be good.
     
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    Politics is polarizing. People can say to keep it civil until blue in the face but I don’t agree. Its hard to do so when one side doesn’t play by any rules due to morals or ethics. It is your life and more importantly the lives of your children that are dependent on the outcome. I do not like politicians on either wing of the bird but I do know which side only takes and destroys. The left offers nothing good. They do nothing right. They only lie, cheat, and steal. Period. There are no good people on that side. If they were truly good then they couldn’t support today’s democrats.

    I am not naive enough to believe that the Republicans have my best interest at heart as nobody but my own family truly does .
    Vote out all dems and once they are all gone, vote out all republicans. Then we may have a chance.
     
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    I will say this as well...

    The numbers of hardcore haters on either side is smaller than the people who will actually have a conversation.

    Its just those smaller hardcore haters are very loud and get attention. Encouraged by the media, by us, by everyone. Everyone panders to the hardcore extreme on both sides, which only encourages them and emboldens them. Its what they crave.

    Dont get me wrong its still a large number, just respectively small IMO.
     
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    I will say this as well...

    The numbers of hardcore haters on either side is smaller than the people who will actually have a conversation.

    Its just those smaller hardcore haters are very loud and get attention. Encouraged by the media, by us, by everyone. Everyone panders to the hardcore extreme on both sides, which only encourages them and emboldens them. Its what they crave.

    Dont get me wrong its still a large number, just respectively small IMO.
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    What is considered hard right? I hear that all the time but I have no idea what that means in this country. I know what a hard left communist is.

    is hard right loving my family, working for a living, wanting to rid this country of all social welfare (social security included) shutting down immigration and wanting to be left the hell alone, then I am hard right I guess.
     
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    Seminar trollers. The activists train people how to troll right wing sites, radio shows, etc. Their aim is to cause political chaos.
     
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