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My do everything rifle

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Over the years I’ve often thought what would be MY do everything rifle. A rifle I would grab in most any situation and would Be my first choice if I could only keep one. I decided that for me the ultimate do everything rifle would be a bolt action for reliability, ease of maintenance, weight and accuracy with a short barrel for maneuverability and lighter weight. It would have to be mag fed.

It would have to be short action so I can keep my head on the stock while cycling the bolt. I debated for a long time between 308, 6.5 Creed and 223. These 3 are the most common, so in a SHTF situation (or a Joe Biden is POTUS situation) i might be able to more easily find ammo somewhere. Finally decided 6.5 Creed because it is superior to the other two in most every way. Thinking of building another rifle like this in 223 and my wife and daughters could shoot it.

I settled on a Rem 700 action mostly because of cost, aftermarket parts and all the Remage barrel options. It is blueprinted, has a Holland recoil lug, M16 extractor, PTG bottom metal for AICS mags. Bugholes made me a nice 20” Bartlein 6.5 Creedmoor barrel in a #3B contour which at 20” is 0.830“ diameter. Not too heavy, but just enough meat to provide more consistency than a sporter barrel.

I bought a used Rem LTR stock which is a compact police tactical stock designed for keeping the weight down and balancing well with a short 20” barrel. Even though it has an aluminum bedding block, you can’t always trust them to make 100% contact with receiver and lug surfaces so I lightly glass bedded it with Marine Tex. Put in a TriggerTech Primary set at 2.0#. Installed an adjustable cheek piece.

I painted the stock and barrel myself. Used painters tape on parchment paper to cut out shapes in the GAP Camo style and painted in 3 layers, adding more shapes in between each paint layer.

Topped it with a Trijicon Credo 2.5-15x scope on a 20MOA rail.

Did some initial load development and 10 shot groups under 3/4 MOA were common. Found a couple loads - two different bullets that averaged 0.5-0.6 MOA 10 shot groups.

I plan to get the barrel threaded 5/8-24 soon and add an attachment rail on the forend. If I had it to do over again, I’d probably use a Bighorn or American Rifle Co. action with controlled round feed. If I chose 223, I’d probably go down in barrel contour to a #3. I’d also consider a lightweight Manners stock with an integral adjustable cheek piece. These extras add a lot of cost over what I did though, so in a bang for buck comparison, I highly recommend doing what I did. Used stock, Rem700 action, Bugholes barrel, DIY.
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Now you have a nice starter rifle that you can feel good about and learn a lot.
Later on in the path you'll understand that just like shoes, "do it all" eventually gives way to horses for courses.
 
Now you have a nice starter rifle that you can feel good about and learn a lot.
Later on in the path you'll understand that just like shoes, "do it all" eventually gives way to horses for courses.
I have too many already, but thank you. This was more of an exercise in building an all around rifle at low cost, for me.
 
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That look’s like a great combo , and one I’d happily use and own .👍
I realise that it’s hard for some to comprehend, but not everyone has a desire/need or bank balance that allows for a custom rifle with all the latest “ bells and whistles “ , many of which are just trend/ fashion driven anyway.
I’m a fan of saving a few dollars on the build , putting that extra money into ammo and trying my best to wear that barrel out .
 
I have more “Tacticool” rifles than this and more specific to competitions and long range. (Origin with Proof 6.5 Creed in JP Chassis, Stiller action in Manners stock with Bartlein 6x47, a side charger AR-10 I built w/Criterion 308 and AR-15 (MK12 style) I built with WOA 18” 223 Wylde bbl. Bought and sold quite a few before those. My tastes keep changing and evolving to simpler, lighter setups.

What I was going for was something I wrote down and modified the specs for over a 5 year period. Kept changing it but finally settled on a rifle that: 1) wouldn’t cost more than $1500 to build 2) is a bolt action for Uber reliability and ease of maint. 3) would be capable of consistent 10 shot 1 MOA groups from bench, at a minimum 4) wouldn’t exceed 11# total weight 5) is a short maneuverable rifle 6) would deliver a 0.275 G7 proj at 2600+ fps at a minimum 7) is a commonly available cartridge, with plenty of available ammo AND reloading components 8) I can easily re-barrel myself 9) is AICS or AR mag fed 10) has a scope with below 3x and 10x or better magnification. (Scope cost not included in the $1500 price target)
 
Na, if I wanted to criticize I would have made fun of your SFP MOA scope.
Lighter weight and lower cost than most all comparable FFP’s. I like the NF NX8 2.5-20, but for the price I got this Credo, used, I’m happy with it. I just have to use the reticle on 15x. If I really need to hold or dial on a lower power, I can go 7.5X since it’s an easy multiple of 2. I’ll upgrade it someday, maybe.
 
I thought a company already made the do all rifle and god named it accuracy international .
multiple caliber choices , can be used for hunting or target shooting , and fishing , clearing snow from a driveway getting rid of an oppressive socialist crowd , it never fails operate in dirt , sand or mud as well as that important shtf scenario , will last a couple of lifetimes if you take care of it there really isn't much better .
 
I thought a company already made the do all rifle and god named it accuracy international .
multiple caliber choices , can be used for hunting or target shooting , and fishing , clearing snow from a driveway getting rid of an oppressive socialist crowd , it never fails operate in dirt , sand or mud as well as that important shtf scenario , will last a couple of lifetimes if you take care of it there really isn't much better .
And it only costs five times what he paid, without a scope. For a one rifle bolt action option I'd grab my Ruger GSR or my 22CM. They're both sub moa, both use the same suppressor, same mags. Weight wise they're pretty close. Ammo availability would be much better for the 308 but I reload for them both anyways. I've also got a 20" Tikka 6.5 I wouldn't be shy about grabbing for a compact bolt option. Truth be told though, my first rifle to grab is my BCM.
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Chris Way found that a 10-11# rifle was the sweet spot for him when he actually had to carry the rifle over land for extended periods but still have reliable long range accuracy. With practice he didn’t find that he lost much accuracy compared to 20# PRS truck axles. I would add that for an extended survival “one rifle do it all” situation a short barrel also lends itself to maneuverability.

Chris Way article: https://www.snipershide.com/precision-rifle/how-heavy-is-too-heavy-rifle-weight/
 
So you’ve got customs on origins and stillers as well as large and small frame gas guns, but your go to “SHTF” rifle of choice is a hodge podge barrel nut Remington with PTG guts? Ok.

Some of your political comments make you sound like a nut.
 
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Over the years I’ve often thought what would be MY do everything rifle. A rifle I would grab in most any situation and would Be my first choice if I could only keep one. I decided that for me the ultimate do everything rifle would be a bolt action for reliability, ease of maintenance, weight and accuracy with a short barrel for maneuverability and lighter weight. It would have to be mag fed.

It would have to be short action so I can keep my head on the stock while cycling the bolt. I debated for a long time between 308, 6.5 Creed and 223. These 3 are the most common, so in a SHTF situation (or a Joe Biden is POTUS situation) i might be able to more easily find ammo somewhere. Finally decided 6.5 Creed because it is superior to the other two in most every way. Thinking of building another rifle like this in 223 and my wife and daughters could shoot it.

I settled on a Rem 700 action mostly because of cost, aftermarket parts and all the Remage barrel options. It is blueprinted, has a Holland recoil lug, M16 extractor, PTG bottom metal for AICS mags. Bugholes made me a nice 20” Bartlein 6.5 Creedmoor barrel in a #3B contour which at 20” is 0.830“ diameter. Not too heavy, but just enough meat to provide more consistency than a sporter barrel.

I bought a used Rem LTR stock which is a compact police tactical stock designed for keeping the weight down and balancing well with a short 20” barrel. Even though it has an aluminum bedding block, you can’t always trust them to make 100% contact with receiver and lug surfaces so I lightly glass bedded it with Marine Tex. Put in a TriggerTech Primary set at 2.0#. Installed an adjustable cheek piece.

I painted the stock and barrel myself. Used painters tape on parchment paper to cut out shapes in the GAP Camo style and painted in 3 layers, adding more shapes in between each paint layer.

Topped it with a Trijicon Credo 2.5-15x scope on a 20MOA rail.

Did some initial load development and 10 shot groups under 3/4 MOA were common. Found a couple loads - two different bullets that averaged 0.5-0.6 MOA 10 shot groups.

I plan to get the barrel threaded 5/8-24 soon and add an attachment rail on the forend. If I had it to do over again, I’d probably use a Bighorn or American Rifle Co. action with controlled round feed. If I chose 223, I’d probably go down in barrel contour to a #3. I’d also consider a lightweight Manners stock with an integral adjustable cheek piece. These extras add a lot of cost over what I did though, so in a bang for buck comparison, I highly recommend doing what I did. Used stock, Rem700 action, Bugholes barrel, DIY.View attachment 8097638View attachment 8097639View attachment 8097640

So you don't think an SPR type AR with 2 to 3 times the barrel life, rate of fire, and available replacement parts is better?

And that AR is good out to past 1000m by the way.

Oh. And components cost half what your creedmoor components do.

And it's threaded.

And at least mine has the right Credo on it, the FFP mil 2-10x32 so you can actually use the reticle at a power other than max.

It's a nice beginner rifle you spent too much money on and will soon try to sell off to upgrade, but won't because you will only get half of what you put into it.

Sorry.
 
So you don't think an SPR type AR with 2 to 3 times the barrel life, rate of fire, and available replacement parts is better?

And that AR is good out to past 1000m by the way.

Oh. And components cost half what your creedmoor components do.

And it's threaded.

And at least mine has the right Credo on it, the FFP mil 2-10x32 so you can actually use the reticle at a power other than max.

It's a nice beginner rifle you spent too much money on and will soon try to sell off to upgrade, but won't because you will only get half of what you put into it.

Sorry.
COOL. Well I’m happy with it. I created my own criteria and built it the way I wanted on the budget I set for it. Sure I could’ve spent thousands and sent it all to a gunsmith for more thousands and built a nicer weapon. That wasn’t my plan. $350 action, $250 stock, $520 Bugholes Bartlein barrel, $40 recoil lug, $25 trigger 2.5#, DBM $150. Shoots very fine and consistent. Nearly as good as my 18# $4500 PRS rifle.

If thinking Biden is a disaster of a POTUS makes me a nut, then guilty as charged. Pretty sure he poops his pants in front of world leaders.