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Kit Carson married Singing Grass. She tended to his needs and went with him on his trapping trips. They had a daughter, Adaline (or Adeline). Singing Grass died after she had given birth to Carson's second daughter circa 1839. His second child did not live long. In 1843, in Taos, New Mexico, the young child fell into a boiling kettle of soap tallow and subsequently died.
Outside of Alpine in the Big Bend, out in the middle of nowhere, there was a boulder outcropping rising up from the surrounding desert. As college kids from Sul Ross we were climbing around on it, looking for caves and chambers between the massive house size granite boulders, and down in one narrow passageway was Kit Carson's name and date, sometime in the early half of the 1800's, scratched into the granite.

I have no idea what he would have been looking for, maybe Spanish gold, or maybe just curious like we were. But we had a Camaro and be back in town and civilization in an hour He, on the other hand, was dependent on a horse to get him to Taos maybe, if the Indians didn't kill him, and yet he took the time and energy to scratch his name in a granite boulder in an otherwise moonscape.

He didn't fall into a cauldron of boiling lard.
 
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    Outside of Alpine in the Big Bend, out in the middle of nowhere, there was a boulder outcropping rising up from the surrounding desert. As college kids from Sul Ross we were climbing around on it, looking for caves and chambers between the massive house size granite boulders, and down in one narrow passageway was Kit Carson's name and date, sometime in the early half of the 1800's, scratched into the granite.

    I have no idea what he would have been looking for, maybe Spanish gold, or maybe just curious like we were. But we had a Camaro and be back in town and civilization in an hour He, on the other hand, was dependent on a horse to get him to Taos maybe, if the Indians didn't kill him, and yet he took the time and energy to scratch his name in a granite boulder in an otherwise moonscape.

    He didn't fall into a cauldron of boiling lard.
    Cute story bruh…..

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    I genuinely wonder, bodies are mostly water, wouldn't the introduction of water into a furnace that's 2600 degrees or so cause a nice little steam explosion?
    I wondered the same. If you cast lead bullets and just allow a couple drops of water into the furnace, you get a nasty explosion. Of course the foundry is loud and violent anyway, so unless you saw it, you probably wouldn't know it happened. Seems like sample taking could be a bit more automated than having a guy fish it out from above with a soup ladle.
     

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    I wondered the same. If you cast lead bullets and just allow a couple drops of water into the furnace, you get a nasty explosion. Of course the foundry is loud and violent anyway, so unless you saw it, you probably wouldn't know it happened. Seems like sample taking could be a bit more automated than having a guy fish it out from above with a soup ladle.

    One way to find out is, if you or someone you know molds their own lead bullets, fire up the melting pot, fill it with lead wheel weights, get it molten and then stick your hand in it.

    Be sure to video it. I myself would be curious what happens.
     
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    One way to find out is, if you or someone you know molds their own lead bullets, fire up the melting pot, fill it with lead wheel weights, get it molten and then stick your hand in it.

    Be sure to video it. I myself would be curious what happens.
    I'd buy a ticket to that show.
     

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    Had an incident at a company I worked for year ago. We made a product that involved mercury and fine particles of various precious metals. The production area was super safe with high end filtration and all wore protective suits and serious respirators that were tested and fit checked frequently. Should have been a clue. A guy was regularly stealing small quantities of the material from spillage cleaned up after each shift and taking it home. He would assay the mix (involved melting it) to recover the precious metals. The mercury was vaporized in the process. He died from it along with a family member and the dog. House was dismantled and disposed of as hazmat and a layer of topsoil was removed from the lot to remove the contamination.

    Then they sued us…
     

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    Had an incident at a company I worked for year ago. We made a product that involved mercury and fine particles of various precious metals. The production area was super safe with high end filtration and all wore protective suits and serious respirators that were tested and fit checked frequently. Should have been a clue. A guy was regularly stealing small quantities of the material from spillage cleaned up after each shift and taking it home. He would assay the mix (involved melting it) to recover the precious metals. The mercury was vaporized in the process. He died from it along with a family member and the dog. House was dismantled and disposed of as hazmat and a layer of topsoil was removed from the lot to remove the contamination.

    Then they sued us…
    That's how they illegally recover recover from large parts of the South America. Burn off the mercury after mixing it with their feet.
     
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    Had an incident at a company I worked for year ago. We made a product that involved mercury and fine particles of various precious metals. The production area was super safe with high end filtration and all wore protective suits and serious respirators that were tested and fit checked frequently. Should have been a clue. A guy was regularly stealing small quantities of the material from spillage cleaned up after each shift and taking it home. He would assay the mix (involved melting it) to recover the precious metals. The mercury was vaporized in the process. He died from it along with a family member and the dog. House was dismantled and disposed of as hazmat and a layer of topsoil was removed from the lot to remove the contamination.

    Then they sued us…
    When we had science lab they used to let us roll gobs of it in our hands. Maybe I should sue?
     

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    Kit Carson married Singing Grass. She tended to his needs and went with him on his trapping trips. They had a daughter, Adaline (or Adeline). Singing Grass died after she had given birth to Carson's second daughter circa 1839. His second child did not live long. In 1843, in Taos, New Mexico, the young child fell into a boiling kettle of soap tallow and subsequently died.
    Wasn't it Daniel Boone's son that was captured by indians, and they cut his stomach open, tied his intestines around a tree and made him walk until all his guts were yanked out?
     
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    If I'm working within 6ft of a 6ft drop without any guardrails in place, I have to have my company provided fall restraint gear on, and that is just working over regular ground let alone a 2600°F pit of molten iron like this guy was. If I neglect to wear it and I'm caught/called out on it, I'm pulled out of service, piss tested and cannot report back to work until the investigation board is completed (if I even still have a job). That's an absolute, as bad as working on the tracks without protection to keep me from getting hit by a train or working under a stick of rail being moved by crane, and all as stupid as it gets in my railroading industry.

    It's pretty shameful Caterpillar has no (or very limited) prevention protocols in place to keep someone falling into something like that, as well as shameful the UAW didn't do their main fucking job of ensuring worker safety is in place. Having to lean over a molten iron pit with no guardrail and no fall gear on to take a sample? Get the fuck out of here, a five year old knows that's stupid and they believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

    Industrial safety is no joke, especially when the lone consequence of an accident is death. Those working blue collar jobs, think about this in your own daily work activities and hopefully you can effect change where needed.
    We had 6ft leashes on 6ft drops 🙄

    “His head caved in on the floor, but he had his harness on 👍🏻
     

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    Where was the “free will” for the Natives here for 1500 years before the Gospel reached North and South America? Or the free will for the Aborigines in Australia for 1800 years before anyone knew the name of Jesus or heard the Gospel?

    Gotta be a straight-up Calvinist if your god roasts people alive for eternity.

    Born to burn, baybee! ‘Cuz I love you to death!

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    When we had science lab they used to let us roll gobs of it in our hands. Maybe I should sue?
    Shit I remember doing this in school. The teacher had a big bottle of mercury he would pour some out and we would roll the droplets around with our bare hands and make a big puddle from the individual drops. It was cool in that the instant 2 drops would touch each other they would suck together into one big drop. Then back in the bottle it went.......hmmmm.
     
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    We had 6ft leashes on 6ft drops 🙄

    “His head caved in on the floor, but he had his harness on 👍🏻
    This ^^^ fucking drives me crazy. Especially when you're on a ladder and there's nothing to tie off to.

    "What do you want me to tie off to? There's no substantial support nearby."

    "You need to figure it out because you need to be tied off!"

    "No motherfucker, YOU figure it out! You're the safety goat. It's your job to figure out which one of these fucking clouds overhead that I'm supposed to hook off to."

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    Shit I remember doing this in school. The teacher had a big bottle of mercury he would pour some out and we would roll the droplets around with our bare hands and make a big puddle from the individual drops. It was cool in that the instant 2 drops would touch each other they would suck together into one big drop. Then back in the bottle it went.......hmmmm.
    Now they evacuate the school if they find it has a mercury thermometer in some old closet.

    Faggots.

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    Shit I remember doing this in school. The teacher had a big bottle of mercury he would pour some out and we would roll the droplets around with our bare hands and make a big puddle from the individual drops. It was cool in that the instant 2 drops would touch each other they would suck together into one big drop. Then back in the bottle it went.......hmmmm.
    He says while drooling, LOL.
     
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    Where was the “free will” for the Natives here for 1500 years before the Gospel reached North and South America? Or the free will for the Aborigines in Australia for 1800 years before anyone knew the name of Jesus or heard the Gospel?

    Gotta be a straight-up Calvinist if your god roasts people alive for eternity.

    Born to burn, baybee! ‘Cuz I love you to death!

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    5 point Calvinist here and entering the chat. Do we really want to go where this chumming of the water is leading? Aren't you a part time pastor or do I have you mistaken for someone else? I may be remembering incorrectly so let me know if I am wrong. Either way, no harm on my end is meant, but if you want to start that conversation in a non-insulting, neutral way I'm ready. Can take it to PM if you like. Even Arminius and Wesley disagree with your assessment.
     
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    Where was the “free will” for the Natives here for 1500 years before the Gospel reached North and South America? Or the free will for the Aborigines in Australia for 1800 years before anyone knew the name of Jesus or heard the Gospel?

    Gotta be a straight-up Calvinist if your god roasts people alive for eternity.

    Born to burn, baybee! ‘Cuz I love you to death!

    :p
    Thats exactly why I dont refer to myself as Christian.

    If pressed I say 'I'm Christ's', as in 'belonging to him'. (See their mutherfuckers, I do know what the apostrophe is for, LOL)

    I dont give a fuck what one calls him, her, is, them, self, its how you act.
     
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    5 point Calvinist here and entering the chat. Do we really want to go where this chumming of the water is leading? Aren't you a part time pastor or do I have you mistaken for someone else? I may be remembering incorrectly so let me know if I am wrong. Either way, no harm is meant, but if you want to start that conversation in a non-insulting, neutral way I'm ready.
    I did some study of religon which included both Luther and Calvin. what I found interesting is that both of them started with a teaching kindness, but ended up persecuting people for all kinds of stuff.

    Power tends to corrupt....
     
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    In my work, we were merciless with each other. We were working on a new school and pulling runs of wire for the frost biter heaters above ceiling (to keep the water pipes and such up there from freezing.) Feeding into a live panel, Timmy was on the pulling end, pulling on a fish tape. No one was watching that tape and it flopped around touched one of the hot lugs.

    The fire flash rose up and melted a breaker and Timmy got 1st degree burns on his face and hands. One of the other guys ran him to the hospital, holding his face with his hands.

    So, we continued. I was on the feeding end. After a while, I could feel the wire would no longer move. I got off my ladder, walked around a few corners and hollered down the hallway, "Are you done?"

    Boss man Scott said, "No, we're finished. Timmy's done."

    Ba doomp shhhh.....

    Timmy was out of work for a few weeks but he eventually came back. And I said to him, "Well, Timmy, you done blew your face off and grew another. But you are still ugly."

    "I know," he replied.

    Can you feel the love in the room?

    As for crapping on God because bad things happen to people, that doesn't make sense.
     

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    I did some study of religon which included both Luther and Calvin. what I found interesting is that both of them started with a teaching kindness, but ended up persecuting people for all kinds of stuff.

    Power tends to corrupt....
    Yeah those were hard days all the way around-everyone was offing everyone. Catholics were killing Protestants, Protestants were fighting among themselves and doing physical harm to fellow brethren. Not cool at all, but I wasn't alive then and I do wonder about the societal conditions that lead to all of it. No tolerance for anyone, just ask John Wycliffe or William Tyndale. But there is a difference between the man and his teachings, especially when the teachings were canonized since they were already contained in Scripture. Same as today.
     
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    Wasn't it Daniel Boone's son that was captured by indians, and they cut his stomach open, tied his intestines around a tree and made him walk until all his guts were yanked out?
    Well they had limited access to entertainment in those days and made the most of what they had to work with.

    Having said that, somebody cuts my guts out and ties them to a tree, I'm not doing shit after that. What are they going to do, threaten to hurt me?
     
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    Thats exactly why I dont refer to myself as Christian.

    If pressed I say 'I'm Christ's', as in 'belonging to him'. (See their ** there** mutherfuckers, I do know what the apostrophe is for, LOL)

    I dont give a fuck what one calls him, her, is, them, self, its how you act.

    Sorry, could not help myself... It's why I am going to burn in Hell, apparently!

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    Where was the “free will” for the Natives here for 1500 years before the Gospel reached North and South America? Or the free will for the Aborigines in Australia for 1800 years before anyone knew the name of Jesus or heard the Gospel?

    Gotta be a straight-up Calvinist if your god roasts people alive for eternity.

    Born to burn, baybee! ‘Cuz I love you to death!

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    “For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.”
    ‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭ESV‬‬
     
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    Now they evacuate the school if they find it has a mercury thermometer in some old closet.

    Faggots.

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    They used to drink mercury to treat syphilis. William Travis of Alamo fame drank little viles to treat his syph.

    He was supposedly quite the ladies man and after bedding a woman, it was said he would leave a thank you note and small bottle of mercury on her bedside table.
     

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    He was supposedly quite the ladies man and after bedding a woman, it was said he would leave a thank you note and small bottle of mercury on her bedside table.
    I thought we all did that.
     

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    Well they had limited access to entertainment in those days and made the most of what they had to work with.

    Having said that, somebody cuts my guts out and ties them to a tree, I'm not doing shit after that. What are they going to do, threaten to hurt me?
    Kind of like telling a cancer patient with a month left to live they cant have heroin for the pain because they might get addicted.
     

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    Kind of like telling a cancer patient with a month left to live they cant have heroin for the pain because they might get addicted.
    Kind of reminds of the military. I was a 4F because of asthma and my younger brother was 4F because of falling arches. Seems that the Army (my choice) and the Navy (my brother's choice) want you perfectly healthy before they send you off to die.

    "And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for?
    Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, next stop is Vietnam.
    And it's five, six, seven open up the Pearly Gates.
    No need to wonder why, whoopie we're all going to die!"

    Country Joe MacDonald and the Fish (sometimes just known as Country Joe & the Fish.)
     

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    This ^^^ fucking drives me crazy. Especially when you're on a ladder and there's nothing to tie off to.

    "What do you want me to tie off to? There's no substantial support nearby."

    "You need to figure it out because you need to be tied off!"

    "No motherfucker, YOU figure it out! You're the safety goat. It's your job to figure out which one of these fucking clouds overhead that I'm supposed to hook off to."

    Mike
    We had thousands of feet of climbing rope in the trailer, We had no easy excuses....even if there's nothing they don't listen. However, we only were allowed and required to tie off on scaffold anything else unless you work on ropes no tying off.

    It's easier to pay your family off than rescue you at 400' and pay your medical bills.

    Sometimes I'd just ignore the safety twat, kick me off the job and explain to your boss how you wasted $200k(pretty much to show up, then we charged for work) running us off.
     

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    ^^^ Hey, if they got off their lazy asses and invented the Gatling Gun, we'd be running Casino's and they'd still own Manhattan. But they chose to sit around in wigwams and eat bugs. Captain Morgan killed more indians than John Wayne!

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    And when they weren't lolling around camp they were whooping other tribe's asses for their land and then bragging and celebrating about it.

    Whitey comes along and does the ass whooping and it's boo-hoo, the fucking white man stole our ball and our land.

    Actually, I'd be pretty pissed too.
     
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    And when they weren't lolling around camp they were whooping other tribe's asses for their land and then bragging and celebrating about it.

    Whitey comes along and does the ass whooping and it's boo-hoo, the fucking white man stole our ball and our land.

    Actually, I'd be pretty pissed too.

    And wasting their time trying to figure out what a Buffalo uvula is good for so they didn’t waste any… instead of eating the steaks and tenderloins and inventing the Big Mac so they could grind up the rest and sell it to passing Conestoga Wagons.

    White man had to think of everything!

    Hey, everyone is racist. It’s just that white man is better at it. As with most things ;-)

    Sirhr

    (Put that one in my “why I am going to Hell” file, someone, please.)
     

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    And when they weren't lolling around camp they were whooping other tribe's asses for their land and then bragging and celebrating about it.

    Whitey comes along and does the ass whooping and it's boo-hoo, the fucking white man stole our ball and our land.

    Actually, I'd be pretty pissed too.
    The boo hoo is that we signed treaties guaranteeing them land then as soon as it was convenient or profitable broke them. Thats like giving your word then breaking it. Not cool, but hey, thats human nature.
     
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    The boo hoo is that we signed treaties guaranteeing them land then as soon as it was convenient or profitable broke them. Thats like giving your word then breaking it. Not cool, but hey, thats human nature.
    Wait... like taking our social security dollars and saying... "Oh wait... it's not there?"

    Just wondering...

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    The boo hoo is that we signed treaties guaranteeing them land then as soon as it was convenient or profitable broke them. Thats like giving your word then breaking it. Not cool, but hey, thats human nature.
    Don't kid yourself, the Indian did their share of Indian giving. Like telling Bigfoot Wallace not only would they not steal his horses, mules and cattle, they'd make sure no other Indian tribes messed with his shit either. That was their exact words, well maybe not their exact words, but close enough.

    He returned home one day to not only to find all his stock missing but his cabin burned down. He and some other locals followed the trail of his herd and not only was it Indians, it was the Indians and chief that promised not to bother him. He smote them hip and thigh.

    Then there was the wagon train that was besieged by Indians but they came forward with open hand signaling peace. The wagon train fed them precious food they couldn't spare, gave them tobacco and the Indians then attacked, killed and scalped them or kidnapped some of the young women. The stories of betrayal on both sides go on and on...

    One big difference is, unlike the white man, the Indians never trusted the U.S. government.
     
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    Don't kid yourself, the Indian did their share of Indian giving. Like telling Bigfoot Wallace not only would they not steal his horses, mules and cattle, they'd make sure no other Indian tribes messed with his shit either. That was their exact words, well maybe not their exact words, but close enough.

    He returned home one day to not only to find all his stock missing but his cabin burned down. He and some other locals followed the trail of his herd and not only was it Indians, it was the Indians and chief that promised not to bother him. He smote them hip and thigh.

    Then there was the wagon train that was besieged by Indians but they came forward with open hand signaling peace. The wagon train fed them precious food they couldn't spare, gave them tobacco and the Indians then attacked, killed and scalped them or kidnapped some of the young women. The stories of betrayal on both sides go on and on...

    One big difference, unlike the white man, is the Indians never trusted the U.S. government.
    That doesnt justify our doing it.
     

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    That doesnt justify our doing it.
    Well they can wear their turquoise and long braids defiantly like Chief Rainwater on Yellowstone, all the while saying we stole their land, and yet I defy you to find one that will give up their prescription glasses, free medical card paid for by the white man, give up their new Dodge truck that they drive to cash their gov. check and go to Walmart with to go back to living in the mud and filth in unheated lean-tos.

    We did what we had to do to hack out a civilized nation in a savage wilderness. No apologies, guilt or regrats.
     

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    I was fresh out of the Army on my first job before college started supervising cleaning crews working in a power plant. Mostly ex cons who nobody gave a shit about. Union crews would disassemble stuff and we’d go at it. One day a series of heavy pipe sections had to be unloaded from a truck and I refused to let my teams go out until they finished. One pipe slipped and the rest came off the truck and rolled all over the yard. I know I saved some lives.

    Safety and doing the job right is infectious and it comes from the top.
     
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    Well they can wear their turquoise and long braids defiantly like Chief Rainwater on Yellowstone, all the while saying we stole their land, and yet I defy you to find one that will give up their prescription glasses, free medical card paid for by the white man, give up their new Dodge truck that they drive to cash their gov. check and go to Walmart with to go back to living in the mud and filth in unheated lean-tos.

    We did what we had to do to hack out a civilized nation in a savage wilderness. No apologies, guilt or regrats.
    So your word and your honor are conditional depending on the profit margin involved? You should get a job in DC, you'd fit right in.

    I guess we were raised to different standards.

    I was always taught that when you give your word, be it by a handshake or written document, you keep it. Reckon I was wrong.
     

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    So your word and your honor are conditional depending on the profit margin involved? You should get a job in DC, you'd fit right in.

    I guess we were raised to different standards.

    I was always taught that when you give your word, be it by a handshake or written document, you keep it. Reckon I was wrong.
    Since you're so righteous at the moment, you need to sell all your property, if you own any, and if you do I'm sure you'll be quick let everyone know, give that money to whatever local tribe is in your area, apologize profusely, buy a one way ticket back to Europe and leave.

    You also need to take your bi-polar meds. Todays a new day.
     
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    Well they can wear their turquoise and long braids defiantly like Chief Rainwater on Yellowstone, all the while saying we stole their land, and yet I defy you to find one that will give up their prescription glasses, free medical card paid for by the white man, give up their new Dodge truck that they drive to cash their gov. check and go to Walmart with to go back to living in the mud and filth in unheated lean-tos.

    We did what we had to do to hack out a civilized nation in a savage wilderness. No apologies, guilt or regrats.
    Same with the africants
     
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    Maggot

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    Since you're so righteous at the moment, you need to sell all your property, if you own any, and if you do I'm sure you'll be quick let everyone know, give that money to whatever local tribe is in your area, apologize profusely, buy a one way ticket back to Europe and leave.

    You also need to take your bi-polar meds. Todays a new day.
    Pay more attention to reading comprehension.

    And as to meds, other than the occasional aspirin, or pain pill for a neck injury, I take no meds, but apparently you take one that enhances ignorance.
     

    Sean the Nailer

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    Seeing as this thread has taken a completely different tangent, I'll add to it. And realize that I'm stating this from a predominantly 'stronger' position, given my locale.

    I'm all for "supporting the culture". Knock-yerself-out! But lets actually support THAT culture, shall we?
    Live in either a wikiup or a teepee,
    Wear a breach-clout,
    Carry a spear and/or bow-and-arrows,
    Continue living/travelling nomadically through the seasons.

    AND,

    Don't use Canadian Currency, (culture didn't have any)
    Don't drive a vehicle (culture didn't have any)
    Don't live in a 'dimensional-lumber structure' (culture didn't have any)
    Don't go to schools (culture didn't have any)
    Don't shop in stores (culture didn't have any)

    Go ahead, support your culture. I'll respect you for doing such.

    For any/all who DO USE Canadian Currency, drive vehicles, live in 'houses/apartments/condo's', go to schools, shop in stores, etc.... just like the rest of us.

    Then get a job(s) and pay taxes, JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.