New AZ bro who has too much money to throw.

[Justinian]

Hi everyone,

I'm just a young guy in AZ who likes shooting. I hunt and that sort of thing. I'm just joining to find fellow enthusiasts into long-range shooting.

I'm currently debating on an FRF2, or buying an SVD. The goal is to see how far I can push either platform and mainly with the SVD how much will it cost for it to rival an AR-10 lol.

Besides that, I'm just here to lurk, read, post, and probably put interesting information out here and there.

 

[MK20]

An SVD will never rival a good AR 10.

Welcome.

How else can I save you money?

 

[Justinian]

An SVD will never rival a good AR 10.

Welcome.

How else can I save you money?

You see, I am crazy, and its called Sureshot Armament Group Freefloat system or whatever. Plus it's cool. Either I get a vintage bolt gun to have fun and hunt with, or be modern and feel boring using an SR-25 or a Scar-20, etc.

 

[MK20]

If you want to burn some money and have fun, get a SVD, or a No 4 MKI (T), or a K98 sniper. I think the FRF2 rifles are a bit high priced unless you specifically want a French gun.

Get a reloading setup at the same time. You will thank me.

 

[Justinian]

See, reloading is not a major issue for me. I intend to do so once I go near the hardcore ELR game of guns. I just want to have cool stuff for fun honestly. Not too worried about the pricing of ammo for me. Anyway, I've been looking but, I got no idea. I made a post seeing about the Grade B's on FRF2s and seeing if there's a way to repair the Grade B's.

 

[ragsflh]

welcome

 

[Justinian]

welcome

Thanks, I appreciate the welcome.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Try a nice higher spec JP enterprises AR-10 platform rifle in 6.5CM and you'll probably be the most happy with that out of any other choice listed.
You'll have a well functioning, accurate rifle that you can push out to a significant distance.

 

[Justinian]

Try a nice higher spec JP enterprises AR-10 platform rifle in 6.5CM and you'll probably be the most happy with that out of any other choice listed.
You'll have a well functioning, accurate rifle that you can push out to a significant distance.

I appreciate the suggestion, but I'll have to pass. I'm not a big AR-10 unless it is like an SR-25.

And even then, I'm more into bolt guns or outdated designs like the T41/G3 or the FAL. Currently have a FAL. Hell maybe a SCAR-17/20 even.

 

[hafejd30]

To much money and into bolt guns?

Head to the AI picture thread. We can help with that

 

[Justinian]

To much money and into bolt guns?

Head to the AI picture thread. We can help with that

Give me an L96 then maybe. And I'm into many types of guns. I just enjoy precision shooting lol.

Or just going out and shooting or larping as a Soviet in Afghanistan or American in Arizona.

 

[The D]

Welcome from CO. If you have too much money, I take donations. The gun you help me build will send nudes, if that helps

 

[Justinian]

Welcome from CO. If you have too much money, I take donations. The gun you help me build will send nudes, if that helps

Thank you. No donations are being given out at this time though haha.

 

[brianf]

Although the svd is prob one of the sexiest rifles ever made, there is a reason that no one has really copied that design.

No precision semi auto has taken any design feature/specific part and built around it.

Even the mighty HK psg1 and NM m-14’s, loose out to a equally worked on large frame AR.

Click around here, there are 2 guys ( I think) that have tried it and came to the same conclusions.

Will be fun to do it, but you will never get a acceptable result.

 

[Justinian]

Although the svd is prob one of the sexiest rifles ever made, there is a reason that no one has really copied that design.

No precision semi auto has taken any design feature/specific part and built around it.

Even the mighty HK psg1 and NM m-14’s, loose out to a equally worked on large frame AR.

Click around here, there are 2 guys ( I think) that have tried it and came to the same conclusions.

Will be fun to do it, but you will never get a acceptable result.

I mean... it is a 1960s design. There have been modifications of the rifle in the RU and Poland (SWD-M). The primary thing is a thicker barrel profile + a shorter length to reduce barrel whip.

Also, Sureshot Armament Group (SAG), makes a chassis that makes the SVD 1 moa. Per tests I have seen, it can retain 1 moa with 7n1, and with that, it might do better with better ammo. Of course, this was my plan with an SVD. It just hits 10k territory where that's transferrable or M110 money.

If we want to get technical: the U.S.S.R. never released the patents for the SVD. I've gotten conflicting information on whether or not the NDM is a "reverse engineered" SVD, or if they did get some training. However, the most notable thing people point out is the NDM trigger group and SVD trigger group are not the same. Other than this, the Romanians did the PSL, since they could not get a version either. SWDs were built off Izhevsk receivers and etcetera. The biggest reason no one has copied it is nobody can and it is extremely expensive, to begin with.

 

[brianf]

Yup,

The 7n1 is supposedly their match Ammo but we all know Russian Ammo quality. From the tests I have seen done with mosins, it was the equal or slightly more accurate than m80 ball.

The psl and svd do not have a single important part that is interchangeable, they just have a generic look that matches.

Ndm were supposedly reverse engineered from the 500 original svd brought to China for trials or battle field pick ups in Vietnam. I’m not sure there is a consensus on that.

As you already know it takes 1000’s of $ to make it possibly equal a off the rack m110/large gram AR pattern.

Fun project just don’t get too crazy as you’re chasing something that isn’t easy or guaranteed.

Shoot the svd like it’s made to be shot, with those expectations that’s what makes the old stuff fun in my opinion.

 

[Justinian]

Yup,

The 7n1 is supposedly their match Ammo but we all know Russian Ammo quality. From the tests I have seen done with mosins, it was the equal or slightly more accurate than m80 ball.

The psl and svd do not have a single important part that is interchangeable, they just have a generic look that matches.

Ndm were supposedly reverse engineered from the 500 original svd brought to China for trials or battle field pick ups in Vietnam. I’m not sure there is a consensus on that.

As you already know it takes 1000’s of $ to make it possibly equal a off the rack m110/large gram AR pattern.

Fun project just don’t get too crazy as you’re chasing something that isn’t easy or guaranteed.

Shoot the svd like it’s made to be shot, with those expectations that’s what makes the old stuff fun in my opinion.

From my research, there is actual "match ammo," 200GR "Extra Match" from Russia that was imported in the early 2010s. Brass, non-magnetic, and berdan primed. Very interesting, but good luck finding some now.

I mean a Sureshot Chassis supposedly weighs the same as a normal side optic mount for an SVD and will rival an M110 in MOA. Just is it worth risking 1000 dollars in an import scheme during wartime?

Purely, I'd keep the SVD as is. My goal was to see how far I can take the platform and see if it can hold up to modern standards if modernized to the limit. Plus, it'd be fun to be the one dude not with an AR-10 lol.

 

[brianf]

From my research, there is actual "match ammo," 200GR "Extra Match" from Russia that was imported in the early 2010s. Brass, non-magnetic, and berdan primed. Very interesting, but good luck finding some now.

I mean a Sureshot Chassis supposedly weighs the same as a normal side optic mount for an SVD and will rival an M110 in MOA. Just is it worth risking 1000 dollars in an import scheme during wartime?

Purely, I'd keep the SVD as is. My goal was to see how far I can take the platform and see if it can hold up to modern standards if modernized to the limit. Plus, it'd be fun to be the one dude not with an AR-10 lol.

as you prob know already SVD's have at least 2 different barrel twists because of ammo changes over the years

if your shooting 7n1 make sure what twist you have

personally, i wouldn't touch the SVD stock and change it to a chassis

the allure of the SVD isnt the potential accuracy, its the look

looking at "weapons of the world books" and watching Red Dawn for the 1000th time as a kid is what a SVD is, in my opinion

not wanting an "AR" at the range but changing the SVD to take AR accessories is kind of counterintuitive

 

[Justinian]

as you prob know already SVD's have at least 2 different barrel twists because of ammo changes over the years

if your shooting 7n1 make sure what twist you have

personally, i wouldn't touch the SVD stock and change it to a chassis

the allure of the SVD isnt the potential accuracy, its the look

looking at "weapons of the world books" and watching Red Dawn for the 1000th time as a kid is what a SVD is, in my opinion

not wanting an "AR" at the range but changing the SVD to take AR accessories is kind of counterintuitive

If only we still stuck to the original twist rate Dragunov desired, but oh well. I'd probably be getting 7n1 and finding the brass "extra match" and seeing how far it'll go. Extra Match was Olympic grade stuff as I am told.

While this is true, the appeal in "making it" different with the chassis is to do this: See how far the gun can be pushed if it was truly modernized, and to see how annoyed I can make the boomers with their "oh Russian stuff can only do 4 moa."

My reason for an SVD is that I'm into long-range weapons, and it is an icon in movies, media, and even video games. My allure for it is its look and history as the "pioneer" of a "sniper program." Or at least a major program to give infantry extended range.

If I was smart with my money I'd be looking into an MR762 LRP, which is a whole other can of worms since I have no idea if that's close to a real HK417/G28.

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

I’ve got an RPK back at the shop chambered one 6.5 Grendel if you want to toss some money around let me know.

 

[Justinian]

Going to have to past. Not into RPK's that are not 5.45x39 or 7.62x39 haha.