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New Executive Order on 2A in the Works

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[h=3]The faulty Fourth District decision issued last week upholding Maryland’s Scary Gun Ban runs afoul of good jurisprudence. The ruling found that Second Amendment protections don’t extend to individuals who wish to own certain semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15, calling them, “weapons that are most useful in military service.” However, a document sent to me yesterday offers hope of correcting that in the form of a proposed executive order to be issued by President Trump.

Virginia attorney Lenden Eakin sent me the text of the proposed order and gave permission to share it. I’d like run it past the Armed Intelligentsia here at TTAG to get your take.

The simple mechanism of attorney Eakin’s proposal: by defining certain categories of rifles for militia use, the President could strike state and local bans on many of the most popular “assault rifles” and their magazines.

Mr. Eakin also notes: “An Executive Order like this could have a significant impact on the litigation to challenge Assault Weapons Bans currently making its way through the Courts. It would help the challengers.”

UPDATE: I neglected to note in the original story how this is meant to serve as a stop-gap measure. Ideally, only until a more permanent remedy could be achieved. Or alternatively, until the Supreme Court, with one or more President Trump appointees, could reverse that Fourth Circuit ruling and strike scary gun bans on the whole.


https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/02/john-boch/proposed-executive-order-designating-rifles-militia-purposes/


EXECUTIVE ORDER
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DESIGNATION OF MILITIA RIFLES

By the authority vested in me as President and Commander in Chief of the Militia by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to ensure the ability of citizens of the United States to defend themselves, their communities and their States, as well as to ensure the safety and security of our Nation, I hereby order as follows:

Section 1. Purpose. Both individual and community safety are critically important to the national security of the United States. Terrorism, transnational criminal activity and potential acts of war by foreign nations present a significant threat to national security and our citizens, who have the right and the duty to defend themselves, their communities, their States and the Nation.

Section 2. Policy. It is the policy of the executive branch to:

(a) Support and defend the Constitution, including the Second Amendment right of citizens to keep and bear arms for Militia purposes,as well asself-defense.

(b) Encourage citizens to be prepared to act as members of the Militia to defend communities, States and the Nation, as part of the common defense contemplated by the Constitution of the United States.

(c) Discourage restrictions by States and political subdivisionson individual possession of firearms suitable for Militia purposes by citizens of the United States.

Section 3. Definitions.

(a) “Militia” has the meaning given the term in Title 10, Section 311 of the United States Code to include the Unorganized Militia, as well as the meaning given to the term “Militia” under equivalent State statutes.

(b) “Self-Defense” shall mean the actions of citizens to defend themselves and their families from physical attack.

(c) “Communities” shall mean neighborhoods, towns, cities, counties and other political subdivisions of citizens who live in distinct geographic areas within a State.

(d) “State” shall mean one of the fifty States of the United States.

(e) “Militia Purposes” shall mean training, practice and preparedness which could improve the ability of a citizen to act,and to be armed in case of a need to act, as a current or future member of a local, State or National organization commanded by government officials and responsive to a physical threat. Appropriate organizations include those commanded by an elected county or city Sheriff; those commanded by the Governor of a State through officers of that State’s Defense Force as authorized by Title 30, Section 109 of the United States Code, or through officers of that State’s National Guard;and organizations commanded by the President through officers of the Active or Reserve components of U.S. Armed Forces.

(f) “Militia Rifles” shall mean the firearms designated in Section 4 that are made in America and suitable for use in self-defense, community defense, defense of States and defense of the Nation.

Section 4. Designation of Militia Rifles. That the following firearms and accessories are authorized and appropriate for individual citizens to keep and bear for Militia purposes under the Constitution and the laws of the United States:

(a) The AR-15 and similar semi-automatic rifles, to include flash suppressors and bayonet lugs, magazines of up to thirty round capacities, M-7 bayonets, and ammunition in 5.56 NATO or .223 Remington, in all quantities.

(b) The M1A and similar semi-automatic rifles, to include flash suppressors and bayonet lugs,magazines of up to twenty round capacities, M-6 bayonets, and ammunition in 7.62 NATO or .308 Winchester, in all quantities.

(c) The M1 Garand and similar semi-automatic rifles, to include flash suppressors and bayonet lugs, M-5 bayonets, and ammunition in.30-’06 Springfield, in all quantities.

(d) Bolt action rifles in the calibers of .30-’06 Springfield; 7.62 NATO or .308 Winchester; 5.56 NATO or .223 Remington; or any substantially equivalent caliber, and ammunition appropriate for the rifles, in any quantity.

(This list could be expanded or replaced by a broad definition)

Section 5. Pre-emption. This Executive Order is intended to pre-empt the laws of States or political subdivisions that infringe upon the rights of citizens to keep and bear the arms designated in Section 4.

Section 6. Judicial Notice. That the judges of all State and Federal Courts are hereby given notice that possession of the designated Militia Rifles and accessories by citizens should not be restricted or infringed upon by State laws or the laws of a political subdivision of a State and any such law should be reviewed under the strict scrutiny standard to determine whether it is a violation of the Constitution of the United States after judicial consideration of this Order and the fact that it was issued by the Commander in Chief of the Militia.

Donald J. Trump

THE WHITE HOUSE

March __, 2017
 
I'd be calling BS if Tucker weren't the OP, but it would certainly be nice.

However, I can already see problems with Section 4. Nothing good has ever come from legislation that enumerates specific firearms. Rather than specify country of origin or specific weapons, simply say " any and all weapons not otherwise subject to the NFA, regardless of physical appearance, caliber, ammunition capacity, or country of origin" and then as a cherry on top revise the NFA to remove SBRs and suppressors from the act.

The way the left thinks is that if we aren't specifically allowed something, we can't have it. In some cases they don't even care that we ARE allowed to have it. If that order lists specific weapons, they'll use it as a means to ban everything NOT on the allowable list. Make a short mental list of what's in your safe that isn't on that list. AKs and HKs would only be at the tip for most of us,
 
I'd be calling BS if Tucker weren't the OP, but it would certainly be nice.

However, I can already see problems with Section 4. Nothing good has ever come from legislation that enumerates specific firearms. Rather than specify country of origin or specific weapons, simply say " any and all weapons not otherwise subject to the NFA, regardless of physical appearance, caliber, ammunition capacity, or country of origin" and then as a cherry on top revise the NFA to remove SBRs and suppressors from the act.

The way the left thinks is that if we aren't specifically allowed something, we can't have it. In some cases they don't even care that we ARE allowed to have it. If that order lists specific weapons, they'll use it as a means to ban everything NOT on the allowable list. Make a short mental list of what's in your safe that isn't on that list. AKs and HKs would only be at the tip for most of us,


I think Bogey's point on specific weapons is a good one. It might be better to say "All weapons not specifically banned".
 
I'd also agree this would be an awesome first step.

To me wording needs to not mention specific makes or models. Notice 7.62x39 isn't mentioned. The Redneck Blasters will hate that.
 
Please, please, please make this happen (said from someone "behind enemy lines" in the state of California).
 
The only, only, only, only fucking reason for the Second Amendment is that we have "weapons useful for military service"

The entire world needs an education on what the Second Amendment means. It would be a liberating exercise in which people felt the bonds of slavery break form them and the shades would fall from their eyes.

Ask anyone what was the greatest killer of human beings after disease in the 20th Century. It wasn't knives, guns, baseball, bats or automobiles.

It was Tyrannical government. Turkey in Armenia, Lenin than Stalin, Hitler, The Emperor of Japan, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot....the list goes on. Shit put Jim Jones on the list.

Anyone that does not understand that the Second Amendment was a gift left to us by the Founding Fathers to prevent us having to go through what Bill Ayres advocates - the rounding up and slaughter of 25 million Americans - is (with all apologies to retards) a mother fucking retard.

Any argument that starts with "The Founding Fathers did not intend..." is an outright blatant lie and the people that broach it know exactly what they are doing.

The Founding Fathers were fortunate that during its construction in war our soldiers were often times better armed than the British, with their custom, rifled barrel, hunting pieces.

Ignorance and fear lead the lay people to believe this shit. It is your duty to kindly and politely educate any scared person buying into this BS. Sure they should fear Adam Lanza armed with an AR15 but I'm much more afraid what happens when an autocrat gets the levers of power and takes out his sadistic tendencies on an unarmed populace.

The way our politics are going - deplorables, scum bags...the heated rhetoric the Second Amendment is more important than ever and I think for that reason it is more endangered than ever. George Bush was too fucking lazy to fill vacancies on the court - Obama took great advantage of that "gift" left to him.

I had hoped that November meant no longer coming to The Bear Pit and obsessing over politics but I guess the fever has not broke.

Okay wasted typing - choir is aware.
 
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PS - When the military goes to directed energy weapons you better believe that the Founding Fathers meant for us to have them. If the individual soldier has it the populace should be expected to be outfitted like common infantryman.
 
PPS - Trump should not mention any characteristic or specific in the directive. One sentence containing the phrase "in common use".

If 5 million Infantrymen are equipped with it - its in common use.

Any firearm that is in use in a fully equipped Infantry squad works for me.
 
The only, only, only, only fucking reason for the Second Amendment is that we have "weapons useful for military service"

The entire world needs an education on what the Second Amendment means. It would be a liberating exercise in which people felt the bonds of slavery break form them and the shades would fall from their eyes.

Ask anyone what was the greatest killer of human beings after disease in the 20th Century. It wasn't knives, guns, baseball, bats or automobiles.

It was Tyrannical government. Turkey in Armenia, Lenin than Stalin, Hitler, The Emperor of Japan, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot....the list goes on. Shit put Jim Jones on the list.

Anyone that does not understand that the Second Amendment was a gift left to us by the Founding Fathers to prevent us having to go through what Bill Ayres advocates - the rounding up and slaughter of 25 million Americans - is (with all apologies to retards) a mother fucking retard.

Any argument that starts with "The Founding Fathers did not intend..." is an outright blatant lie and the people that broach it know exactly what they are doing.

The Founding Fathers were fortunate that during its construction in war our soldiers were often times better armed than the British, with their custom, rifled barrel, hunting pieces.

Ignorance and fear lead the lay people to believe this shit. It is your duty to kindly and politely educate any scared person buying into this BS. Sure they should fear Adam Lanza armed with an AR15 but I'm much more afraid what happens when an autocrat gets the levers of power and takes out his sadistic tendencies on an unarmed populace.

The way our politics are going - deplorables, scum bags...the heated rhetoric the Second Amendment is more important than ever and I think for that reason it is more endangered than ever. George Bush was too fucking lazy to fill vacancies on the court - Obama took great advantage of that "gift" left to him.

I had hoped that November meant no longer coming to The Bear Pit and obsessing over politics but I guess the fever has not broke.

Okay wasted typing - choir is aware.




great post, deservers to be seen again...
 
Great. Another EO the 9th Circuit can strike down giving futher case law to add to the 4th Circuits BS. Nope. States will run with this BS. Gotta get our guy confirmed to the US Supreme Court then go from there. Iffy proposition even then considering what Roberts did with Obamacare.
 
If there is one thing we should take from the previous administration it is that we can not back down. The courts have been used against law abiding Americans for decades... William Jefferson Clinton was a professional at it. The unorthodox tactics of President Trump have many on the left rocking back on their heels... Now is not the time to let up.
 
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(If) this is true, itll give us a lot of ammunition to fight with. We haven't had momentum pushing anything 2nd amendment in a long time...

 
I had hoped that November meant no longer coming to The Bear Pit and obsessing over politics but I guess the fever has not broke.

Okay wasted typing - choir is aware.

The eventual result of the failure of diplomacy is war. The eventual result of the polarization of the domestic political process and the absolute radicalization of our "fellow Americans" may very well be a somewhat organized series of violent events. And I, too, thought that a November win meant an end to the need to vent frustrations and daily worry. If anything, it's intensifying. I agree with those who have said that we need to cement the Supreme Court before we take any acts open to interpretation. Trump shouldn't shoot from the hip on this one.

 
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Veer you could not be more right on this . This not only opens this up to undefendable challenge but also will serve the obstructionist ammunition on any pro 2A Supreme Court Pick . Trump needs to bone up on his Sun Tzu .