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New to reload, need input on gear.

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The press I'm looking at is the Forster Co Ax. I plan to load only .308, to work up a load for my GAP, and once found, reload it consistently. Please, what else will I need? Dies suggestions, primers, brass, etc.. Basically hold my hand and guide me.
 
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I'm not familiar with the press you mentioned . My guess is GAP as in the 45 GAP round . For starters get a manual . I recomend the Lyman 49th edition and it's only around $29.00 . It's packed full of great information , READ all of it then read it again . I use RCBS and dillon Carbide dies for my pistol loading and as for .308 dies I use a Lee collet die and a redding neck sizing die as well as dillon dies . A full size die is a must for any once fired brass you may aquire from another rifle and do some reading on here . I have several RCBS products and dillon . If your looking for precision I know allot of people use Foster and Redding products . I also have the Hornady Manual and will be getting the Sierra as well . You will find load data changes according to bullet desighn weight exct . Well I hope I helped . Lapua brass is phenominal and Federal match grade or CCI Benchrest are my choice . Varget is my prefered powder with a Hornady 178 A-max
 
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ABC's of Reloading is another excellent introductory book.

The Forster Co-Ax is an excellent press.

I use Forster seating and full length sizing dies, and Lee Collet Neck sizing dies for rifles. I also use Lee Factory Crimp (collet type) dies for rifle cartridges that need it.

I use mostly Hornady die sets for pistol cartridges, but also use Lyman M type expander dies, Lee Factory Crimp dies (collet type) for bottleneck pistol cartridges, and a smattering of other brands here and there.

If you are not using a Dillon progressive press, I would not recommend Dillon reloading dies. They are optimized for their presses, and are not well suited to others. They will work, but they don't have lock rings that stay put when the die is removed from the press. They also lack an expander die from their pistol die sets (the expander is part of the caliber change-over kit, so they don't include it in their die sets).

Particularly for the co-ax, you will want Forster or Hornady lock rings on your dies, no matter who made them.

I like the L.E. Wilson trimmer for rifle cartridges, and the Lee Lock stud & cutter system for pistol cartridges (when needed, which is seldom).

I like the RCBS Universal Hand primer, with universal shell holder (that way, neither my press nor my hand primer need shell holders).

I like the Hornady cam-lock collet-type bullet puller, especially with the Co-Ax.

There are lots of other tools you will need, but I don't have strong preferences for most of them. Read the books, then get what you think you'll like best.

Andy
 
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Thanks for pointing out the dillon . I never would have thought to mention that but I have more equipment than I probably need but the expander die was a good point !! On the dillon it gets that on stage two while powder is being added . What are your thoughts on a seperate crimp die . When I do my 45-70 ( single stage ) not on the dillon I always seat the rounds first then back of the bullet seat and set the crimp accordingly because I had the misfortune if crumpling some brass for lack of a better description and this process elliminates that . Keep in mind I'm loading for a marlin and they recomend a heavy crimp .
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The press I'm looking at is the Forster Co Ax. I plan to load only .308, to work up a load for my GAP, and once found, reload it consistently. Please, what else will I need? Dies suggestions, primers, brass, etc.. Basically hold my hand and guide me.</div></div>

I have a Forster Coax and a G.A. Precision 308. Good choices, love them both!

If you don't already have brass, try Lapua. It takes less processing and is just more precise than many of the others. I had 500 new Winchester which aren't bad but the flash holes are stamped and need to be deburred inside and out and they needed to be checked for length and chamfered, etc. You won't have as much of that with Lapua.

Another thing I didn't see mentioned is a OAL gauge and a comparator. If you want to find the best load, you will probably also want to tweak the jump to see if it makes a difference as well.

My GAP chamber is a match chamber. I don' know if every one that GAP builds is or not but if so, they are tighter than a normal 308. I am assuming you have a 308 Win. Normal 308 Win dies are too large. You need to order a "match" 308 full length die. I use the Forester one. I use the Lee collet neck die for about four or five shots each case and then they start getting a little tight and I run them back through the full length die again. Neck sizing doesn't over work the brass and it lasts longer that way plus your round is fire formed to your chamber giving a little more accuracy. Again, be careful, I am assuming also that you have a bolt gun. Neck sizing far an auto-loader is not the safest thing to do from a slam fire point of view.

I use the Forster, Ultra Micrometer Seater Die. Redding and some others make fine precision dies also. With this type you can tweak the length down to exactly where you want it.

Another piece that I love for helping produce accurate loads and do it as quickly as possible is the RCBS Charge Master Combo. I used to use a Harrell's measure and then check and adjust the charge on a good electronic scale. Holy Crap! you can miss dinner doing that. If you can afford it, I'm betting you would love one. The wife should know that they make perfect xmas presents also.

There is a hell of a laundry list of of tools and equipment that you can and probably will get over the years. Some are: tumbler, possibly with the stainless media or a ultrasonic cleaner, you'll need an annealer after shooting the same brass several times, a crony to check your loads, concentricity gauge to check for run-out, which if you use Lapua brass, Forster press and good dies, you will not have much run-out anyway. The list goes on and on and so does the fun of trying to get your rifle, your loads and your self in the best possible condition to shoot tiny little groups in way far off places.

Safety first but enjoy the hell out of it too!

David
 
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Yes. I started handloading rifle this year after 10 years of reloading pistol on a dillon 650 press. I have a Forster Co-ax and a GA Precision 308 rifle too. Its a great single stage press.

So from being able to load 800 pistol rounds per hour to loading 50 rounds in 2+ hours on my single stage press really started to get to me. Consider w/ rifle you have to prep all the brass and keep things as uniform as possible. Pistol is not so precise.

Yes, I got the RCBS chargemater and trim mate center to help speed things up. I will probably buy more gizmos down the road like a Giraud power trimmer as well. I am in this thing kind of deep now but its pretty relaxing as Im making my handloads so its not a bad trade off.
 
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- Forster co-ax
- Forster die set
- Imperial sizing wax
- LE wilson case trimmer
- LE wilson trimmer case insert
- LE wilson VLD chamfer tool for trimmer
- Hornady LNL oal guage, headspace set and comparitor body plus insert for your caliber
- Digital calipers (cheap ones will do)
- RCBS chargemaster combo if you can afford one
- Stainless cleaning or ultrasonic

plus a decent reloading manual
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">- Forster co-ax
- Forster die set
- Imperial sizing wax
- LE wilson case trimmer
- LE wilson trimmer case insert
- LE wilson VLD chamfer tool for trimmer
- Hornady LNL oal guage, headspace set and comparitor body plus insert for your caliber
- Digital calipers (cheap ones will do)
- RCBS chargemaster combo if you can afford one
- Stainless cleaning or ultrasonic

plus a decent reloading manual</div></div>


Vman, Santa couldn't have made a better list himself!
 
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Hehehe thanks bud
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Its an expensive list, but it will get you off the ground and you probably wont have to buy new equipment ever again...

well... maybe the electronic stuff might crap itself eventually, but everything else is rock solid.

yeehhhhh you could buy a cheaper press, but really your saving yourself what.... 2 to 3 box of projectiles which you wont even remember shooting in a year from now! Pfffffff to hell with it, buy once cry once and enjoy your reloading sessions more and seat those babies with pride!
 
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+1 for Vman's list. I spent a long time choosing and eventually came back round to the above list suggested to me at the outset. Am just waiting on the new Hornady magnum sonic cleaner. Does anyone have a ETA on that product ?
 
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Mmmm not 100% TJ.

Hornady purchase these units from China and just have them relabbeled.

I have an equivalent unit that I purchased from ebay from a seller by the name of Liquidglassoz. This seller has them altered slightly to work on aussie plugs rather than using converters and the likes.

The unit works well but is a little noisey. Basically the bigger the output of the unit the more cases you can clean at a given time, with less time required.

I havnt yet tried stainless media tumbeling, but from what I read and see it pictures it looks like the dogs bollocks! If i had to do it all over again I would weigh up the costs and if viable go with stainless. Having a thumlers tumbler is handy as you can also coat bullets with hBn or moly but simply putting a jar inside the tumbler with hBn, bullets and ball bearings. Its like killing two birds with one stone, that is of course if your interested in hbn coatings
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