Should the USA enforce a no fly zone over Libya? I personally believe we should not. What do you think?(NO POLITICS PLEASE. Also, keep it civil).
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No Fly Zone Over Lybia
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I'm starting to see the beauty of the whole Ground Zero Ocean concept...
I'm starting to see the beauty of the whole Ground Zero Ocean concept...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Col Qudaffy D-bag falls from power another Country will go to the darkside, I say he's a piece of shit but he's better than what will come if we help him be overthrown.
No is my answer. </div></div>
He's already shot down one airliner.
We have enough crap going on, why should we care what they do? It's not our problem and if we make it our problem the muslims will just hate us that much longer.
Each country gets the government they deserve, including us.
We don't want libyan forces attacking us because we don't like our POTUS....
No reason to go, we are not the world police. Europe has more to worry about, let them deal with it, we've done enough for the past 75 years.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Col Qudaffy D-bag falls from power another Country will go to the darkside, I say he's a piece of shit but he's better than what will come if we help him be overthrown.
No is my answer. </div></div>
He's already shot down one airliner.
We have enough crap going on, why should we care what they do? It's not our problem and if we make it our problem the muslims will just hate us that much longer.
Each country gets the government they deserve, including us.
We don't want libyan forces attacking us because we don't like our POTUS....
No reason to go, we are not the world police. Europe has more to worry about, let them deal with it, we've done enough for the past 75 years.
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I think once you declare a no fly your knee deep in it and either need to fully back the rebels. That's a tough pill for the US right now.
I think once you declare a no fly your knee deep in it and either need to fully back the rebels. That's a tough pill for the US right now.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Col Qudaffy D-bag falls from power another Country will go to the darkside, I say he's a piece of shit but he's better than what will come if we help him be overthrown.
No is my answer. </div></div>
He's already shot down one airliner.
We have enough crap going on, why should we care what they do? It's not our problem and if we make it our problem the muslims will just hate us that much longer.
Each country gets the government they deserve, including us.
We don't want libyan forces attacking us because we don't like our POTUS....
No reason to go, we are not the world police. Europe has more to worry about, let them deal with it, we've done enough for the past 75 years.
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There's a LOT of wisdom in these words. Definitely worth repeating, with very little arguement.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If Col Qudaffy D-bag falls from power another Country will go to the darkside, I say he's a piece of shit but he's better than what will come if we help him be overthrown.
No is my answer. </div></div>
He's already shot down one airliner.
We have enough crap going on, why should we care what they do? It's not our problem and if we make it our problem the muslims will just hate us that much longer.
Each country gets the government they deserve, including us.
We don't want libyan forces attacking us because we don't like our POTUS....
No reason to go, we are not the world police. Europe has more to worry about, let them deal with it, we've done enough for the past 75 years.
</div></div>
There's a LOT of wisdom in these words. Definitely worth repeating, with very little arguement.
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We've got enough shit on our plate, we need to stay completely out of it.
We've got enough shit on our plate, we need to stay completely out of it.
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I don't think we should even be involved with any of that crap over there. None of our damn business, and when they beg us for help, all they do is spit on us after we leave.
Fuck em all. Fuck em and feed em fishheads....
I don't think we should even be involved with any of that crap over there. None of our damn business, and when they beg us for help, all they do is spit on us after we leave.
Fuck em all. Fuck em and feed em fishheads....
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Well if the World wants a no fly zone; they first the have to deal with the anti aircraft missiles before the can enforce it.
Jamie
Well if the World wants a no fly zone; they first the have to deal with the anti aircraft missiles before the can enforce it.
Jamie
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Why do I care if one rag takes out another? Let them fight it out. In the end there will be less of them for future generations of Americans to fight with. Either way we will be the villain.
Why do I care if one rag takes out another? Let them fight it out. In the end there will be less of them for future generations of Americans to fight with. Either way we will be the villain.
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I think a wise plan of action is to let crazy tribes bent on civil war have at it and stay way far away.
I think a wise plan of action is to let crazy tribes bent on civil war have at it and stay way far away.
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Im digging the ocean thing.
It not our place, Europe can pick up the tag for once. We have saved them twice now. If they want a no fly zone, let THEM deal with it, AND the repercussions. We have given enough to that part of the world. The only thing I think we should do for them, is give them the ground zero ocean.
Im digging the ocean thing.
It not our place, Europe can pick up the tag for once. We have saved them twice now. If they want a no fly zone, let THEM deal with it, AND the repercussions. We have given enough to that part of the world. The only thing I think we should do for them, is give them the ground zero ocean.
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Personally, I'm still disgusted that we stood back and watched 900K people get massacred in Rwanda. Quadaffi (sp?) is capable of reaking the same sort of havoc.
Do I think we should invade? Hell no. But the US has a finite time to be seen as a good guy in this. All that we have to do is nut up, put pressure on NATO to get off of it's ass, and destroy every plane and airfield that asshole has. Then the UN can step in and be it's inept self.
Personally, I'm still disgusted that we stood back and watched 900K people get massacred in Rwanda. Quadaffi (sp?) is capable of reaking the same sort of havoc.
Do I think we should invade? Hell no. But the US has a finite time to be seen as a good guy in this. All that we have to do is nut up, put pressure on NATO to get off of it's ass, and destroy every plane and airfield that asshole has. Then the UN can step in and be it's inept self.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Birddog1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I'm still disgusted that we stood back and watched 900K people get massacred in Rwanda. Quadaffi (sp?) is capable of reaking the same sort of havoc.
Do I think we should invade? Hell no. But the US has a finite time to be seen as a good guy in this. All that we have to do is nut up, put pressure on NATO to get off of it's ass, and destroy every plane and airfield that asshole has. Then the UN can step in and be it's inept self. </div></div>
We will never be seen as the good guy over there no matter what we do.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Birddog1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I'm still disgusted that we stood back and watched 900K people get massacred in Rwanda. Quadaffi (sp?) is capable of reaking the same sort of havoc.
Do I think we should invade? Hell no. But the US has a finite time to be seen as a good guy in this. All that we have to do is nut up, put pressure on NATO to get off of it's ass, and destroy every plane and airfield that asshole has. Then the UN can step in and be it's inept self. </div></div>
We will never be seen as the good guy over there no matter what we do.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Helidriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Birddog1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I'm still disgusted that we stood back and watched 900K people get massacred in Rwanda. Quadaffi (sp?) is capable of reaking the same sort of havoc.
Do I think we should invade? Hell no. But the US has a finite time to be seen as a good guy in this. All that we have to do is nut up, put pressure on NATO to get off of it's ass, and destroy every plane and airfield that asshole has. Then the UN can step in and be it's inept self. </div></div>
We will never be seen as the good guy over there no matter what we do. </div></div>
Also, they have a missile air defense system, so that would have to go first.
Jamie
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Helidriver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Birddog1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I'm still disgusted that we stood back and watched 900K people get massacred in Rwanda. Quadaffi (sp?) is capable of reaking the same sort of havoc.
Do I think we should invade? Hell no. But the US has a finite time to be seen as a good guy in this. All that we have to do is nut up, put pressure on NATO to get off of it's ass, and destroy every plane and airfield that asshole has. Then the UN can step in and be it's inept self. </div></div>
We will never be seen as the good guy over there no matter what we do. </div></div>
Also, they have a missile air defense system, so that would have to go first.
Jamie
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can someone tell me why we have the UN?
the blue helmets are kinda cool.....
can someone tell me why we have the UN?
the blue helmets are kinda cool.....
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We need to stay out of it. It backfires on us every time we try to help that region.
We need to stay out of it. It backfires on us every time we try to help that region.
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I agree. We've "helped" far too much.
We've got far more shit going on right here, on the home front, to even worry about other peoples shit.
Its time for the UN to put its misplaced fragments of balls together, and step up on a issue.
I agree. We've "helped" far too much.
We've got far more shit going on right here, on the home front, to even worry about other peoples shit.
Its time for the UN to put its misplaced fragments of balls together, and step up on a issue.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm starting to see the beauty of the whole Ground Zero Ocean concept...
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That would put all those 'What gun for SHTF/EOTWAWKI' threads front and centre ...
rather than vaporising the countries whose regimes and lunatics we support and then have to deal when the incompetent meddling bites us in the ass, far better to not support them or get involved in the first place...
We have no obligation to implement the no fly zone. We have no capacity to open a new front (when the rebels expect a tsunami of US Dollars to help set up the new county or their Swiss bank accounts or both...). I'd much rather we fixed the bullshit at home, secured our borders and got things back on track.
If we really want to destroy the Middle East we should rendition the assholes on Wall St. over there.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm starting to see the beauty of the whole Ground Zero Ocean concept...
</div></div>
That would put all those 'What gun for SHTF/EOTWAWKI' threads front and centre ...
rather than vaporising the countries whose regimes and lunatics we support and then have to deal when the incompetent meddling bites us in the ass, far better to not support them or get involved in the first place...
We have no obligation to implement the no fly zone. We have no capacity to open a new front (when the rebels expect a tsunami of US Dollars to help set up the new county or their Swiss bank accounts or both...). I'd much rather we fixed the bullshit at home, secured our borders and got things back on track.
If we really want to destroy the Middle East we should rendition the assholes on Wall St. over there.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alderleet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Its time for the UN to put its misplaced fragments of balls together, and step up on a issue. </div></div>
Know who provides the vast majority of funding to the UN?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alderleet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Its time for the UN to put its misplaced fragments of balls together, and step up on a issue. </div></div>
Know who provides the vast majority of funding to the UN?
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The US supplies, last time I checked, 1/4 of the UN troops and 1/2 of the UN money.
The US supplies, last time I checked, 1/4 of the UN troops and 1/2 of the UN money.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tigerhawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The US supplies, last time I checked, 1/4 of the UN troops and 1/2 of the UN money. </div></div>
US #1 in funding, followed by Japan, UK, Germany, France, etc.
"Despite the large number of contributors, the greatest burden continues to be borne by a core group of developing countries, who often profit financially from their participation in such missions.[citation needed] The 10 main troop-contributing countries to UN peacekeeping operations as of September 2010 were Bangladesh (10,736), Pakistan (10,691), India (8,935), Nigeria (5,709), Egypt (5,458), Nepal (5,044), Jordan (3,826), Ghana (3,647), Rwanda (3,635), Uruguay (2,489)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeping
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tigerhawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The US supplies, last time I checked, 1/4 of the UN troops and 1/2 of the UN money. </div></div>
US #1 in funding, followed by Japan, UK, Germany, France, etc.
"Despite the large number of contributors, the greatest burden continues to be borne by a core group of developing countries, who often profit financially from their participation in such missions.[citation needed] The 10 main troop-contributing countries to UN peacekeeping operations as of September 2010 were Bangladesh (10,736), Pakistan (10,691), India (8,935), Nigeria (5,709), Egypt (5,458), Nepal (5,044), Jordan (3,826), Ghana (3,647), Rwanda (3,635), Uruguay (2,489)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeping
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How can we be number one in funding when we borrow it from the Chinese? Maybe we should stop being the middle man and let the Chinese fund the UN directly.
Jamie
How can we be number one in funding when we borrow it from the Chinese? Maybe we should stop being the middle man and let the Chinese fund the UN directly.
Jamie
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beck.jamie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if the World wants a no fly zone; they first the have to deal with the anti aircraft missiles before the can enforce it.
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That's correct, and that requires a declaration of war. Or at least it should.
That's something that we really don't need to commit resources to at this time.
I think it's a great time for the US to sit one out and see if anyone else takes a swing at being in charge of policing the world.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beck.jamie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if the World wants a no fly zone; they first the have to deal with the anti aircraft missiles before the can enforce it.
</div></div>
That's correct, and that requires a declaration of war. Or at least it should.
That's something that we really don't need to commit resources to at this time.
I think it's a great time for the US to sit one out and see if anyone else takes a swing at being in charge of policing the world.
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Ah yes as they downsize the military more and more... I think we do need another war... where is that "rolls eyes" icon!
How about we just get some people in cesna's and drop some m-80's on them?
Ah yes as they downsize the military more and more... I think we do need another war... where is that "rolls eyes" icon!
How about we just get some people in cesna's and drop some m-80's on them?
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Personally I am discussed with the inaction of our president with this and all matters.
This Lybia president is going to be overpowered anyway, it may take time. I think we need to meet with the rebel leaders, establish a plan to allow our Country to port our navel vessels there and establish oil and commerse trade. Then decide who we will allow to fill the leadership offices.
after all the talks are decided on, then impose a NOFLYZONE which in turn to secure the no flyzone means we have to have troops on the ground. Inaction will definately turn the new Lybian Regime against us. Action unless welcome must not fail to remove Adenaja from office. Helping Lybia will also most likely allow us to move into contries surrounding Lybia to help with their little quelling as well. This is Americas chance to prove as a nation to trust and like. However what ever action we impose must be America doing it, not the U.N.
Personally I am discussed with the inaction of our president with this and all matters.
This Lybia president is going to be overpowered anyway, it may take time. I think we need to meet with the rebel leaders, establish a plan to allow our Country to port our navel vessels there and establish oil and commerse trade. Then decide who we will allow to fill the leadership offices.
after all the talks are decided on, then impose a NOFLYZONE which in turn to secure the no flyzone means we have to have troops on the ground. Inaction will definately turn the new Lybian Regime against us. Action unless welcome must not fail to remove Adenaja from office. Helping Lybia will also most likely allow us to move into contries surrounding Lybia to help with their little quelling as well. This is Americas chance to prove as a nation to trust and like. However what ever action we impose must be America doing it, not the U.N.
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We have done this several time before in the past. I think we ever helped Adenija to get into office. We helped Husain into office. the pakistine leaders are also in office cause of us. Hell we even " put ceretain worlords " into power in the horn of Africa. If we can help, even just a little we should but only at the request of the new nation majiority.
However every country needs to have a civil war. Just these countries have one ever 100 yrs or so.
just my peace.
We have done this several time before in the past. I think we ever helped Adenija to get into office. We helped Husain into office. the pakistine leaders are also in office cause of us. Hell we even " put ceretain worlords " into power in the horn of Africa. If we can help, even just a little we should but only at the request of the new nation majiority.
However every country needs to have a civil war. Just these countries have one ever 100 yrs or so.
just my peace.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Birddog1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I'm still disgusted that we stood back and watched 900K people get massacred in Rwanda. Quadaffi (sp?) is capable of reaking the same sort of havoc.
Do I think we should invade? Hell no. But the US has a finite time to be seen as a good guy in this. All that we have to do is nut up, put pressure on NATO to get off of it's ass, and destroy every plane and airfield that asshole has. Then the UN can step in and be it's inept self. </div></div>
But the UN called it a tragedy, apparantly was not a big deal or THEY would have taken care of it, proof that the UN is neutered..
Not my problem.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Birddog1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I'm still disgusted that we stood back and watched 900K people get massacred in Rwanda. Quadaffi (sp?) is capable of reaking the same sort of havoc.
Do I think we should invade? Hell no. But the US has a finite time to be seen as a good guy in this. All that we have to do is nut up, put pressure on NATO to get off of it's ass, and destroy every plane and airfield that asshole has. Then the UN can step in and be it's inept self. </div></div>
But the UN called it a tragedy, apparantly was not a big deal or THEY would have taken care of it, proof that the UN is neutered..
Not my problem.
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As Henry Kissinger once remarked about the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980's;
"Too bad they both can't lose."
As Henry Kissinger once remarked about the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980's;
"Too bad they both can't lose."
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We could always just deploy stealth fighters with nukes, glass the country over, then take the oil!
We could always just deploy stealth fighters with nukes, glass the country over, then take the oil!
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