as compared to new I would say I need about 1/2 the force. I am sure they have a few more reloads in them, but I retired them at 20x. When I first got them, I was wishing to get around 10x out of them.
Over the winter I will take the box of 20 that I have and just see how many more reloads can I get out of them before the neck cracks or primers start being loose to make them unsafe. I have Frontier brass that at 13x they started being unsafe, in a way that I can put the primer in by hand and also with just a paper clip from the neck I can push them right back out again.