Offset RMR optic for short range rapid engagement on precision rifle platform.

[James Howard]

Just wondering if anyone has experience with running and rmr as a backup or for less than 100 meter engagements.
My application would be for hunting if I were to walk up on a deer in the woods and take a shot between 10-50 meters.
Any experienced advice would be greatly appreciated!

 

[HeavyAssault]

All it takes is range practice. Seems like something that is quite easy to do but what about consistent groups.

 

[wade2big]

All it takes is range practice. Seems like something that is quite easy to do but what about consistent groups.

Consistent groups for what. The man said hunting not short range F class. The deer or pig won’t know the difference if the round lands 4” to the right or 2 1/2 inches low.

OP. I would just keep your scope on low power when moving. If/when you jump something up, use your rifle as intended. Set up a paper plate at 25-50 yards. Pick your rifle up quickly and pull the trigger. If you can keep the rounds in the flat bottom of the paper plate you are good. It’s just snap shooting. You can do what you wish, but I’m asking you nicely to please not do what you are thinking.

 

[HeavyAssault]

Consistent groups for what. The man said hunting not short range F class. The deer or pig won’t know the difference if the round lands 4” to the right or 2 1/2 inches low.

Oh guess you are one of those guys. Just shoot and not worry about a clean kill. F-class with a RMR ........That's shows where your opinion rates with me. NO $*** it's not F-class the man said under 100M. Did you miss that??


Guess just strapping on an optic means it's aligned to be able to hit the target??? LMAO Good groups are not just about maybe making kill, it's about the shooter being proficient at using the tool. Range time swinging up the weapon, good sight alignment, good hits on the target. When one has practiced then the shooting will achieve the best results.

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

I have an offset MRDS on my long range gas gun for the same idea OP has in mind. I did a Bushnell Advance with a Weaver offset adapter, and so far I am really happy with it. It took a little practice to get used to rolling the rifle over to the correct angle for ease of sight alignment (and keeping the dot over the bore), but once I did it's worked great from 10 to 300 yards.

 

[Amccallister]

@HeavyAssault I’m not sure where the concern about consistent groups comes from. A dot on a 45 degree mount is certainly not inaccurate. Obviously you need to zero it, but as long as you turn the rifle 45 degrees it is only subject to the same offset issues that any other optic is.
I shoot a lot of open division 3 gun, and a dot on a 45 is pretty much standard equipment to be competitive. I zero mine at 25 yards, because I only use it for close range targets, but I can pretty easily hit 8 inch plates at 50 yards. I have also seen people hit targets at 200 yards or so while screwing around at the range.
Certainly not necessary for a hunting gun, but in no way inaccurate or unethical.

 

[wade2big]

Oh guess you are one of those guys. Just shoot and not worry about a clean kill. F-class with a RMR ........That's shows where your opinion rates with me. NO $*** it's not F-class the man said under 100M. Did you miss that??


Guess just strapping on an optic means it's aligned to be able to hit the target??? LMAO Good groups are not just about maybe making kill, it's about the shooter being proficient at using the tool. Range time swinging up the weapon, good sight alignment, good hits on the target. When one has practiced then the shooting will achieve the best results.

I am one of those guys who actually hunts and takes many animals every year with his rifle. I am not one of those guys who thinks that a man needs to shoot sub moa to kill a deer at 300 yds much less at the 50 or so that @James Howard is referencing. Their is about a 12 inch kill zone centering over a deer’s shoulder, maybe more. As long as your bullet hits in that circle, guess what, a clean ethical kill. At 10-50 meters that is damn near point shooting with a rifle. That’s a very easy free handed shot with a rifle. You take this forum too personal it seems. Your reply was a little hot headed. I was picking on you in jest when referencing the “short range F class.” Lighten up.

 

[HeavyAssault]

To several points:

> I never mentioned "ethics", I mentioned a clean kill. Take it how you want. Your interpretation is yours and not necessarily what I may have been trying to convey.

> I CLEARLY stated "Good groups are not just about maybe making kill, it's about the shooter being proficient at using the tool. " I didn't say anything negative about the sight, sight picture or a 45* mount or it being inaccurate. Less we forget others saying they did something of the same to zero the system to the weapon AND have used it with proficiency.

> Some people can't hit a barn when "jump" shooting animals. If the OP isn't that experienced I would hope he wants to be shooting for a clean kill. Hence the suggestion for consistent groups, WHICH by the way doesn't ALWAYS mean sub-moa results.

> I don't need anyone to advise me on my "take" of this forum. Your opinion of my reply is not worth the air you are breathing.

 

[wade2big]

To several points:

> I never mentioned "ethics", I mentioned a clean kill. Take it how you want. Your interpretation is yours and not necessarily what I may have been trying to convey.

> I CLEARLY stated "Good groups are not just about maybe making kill, it's about the shooter being proficient at using the tool. " I didn't say anything negative about the sight, sight picture or a 45* mount or it being inaccurate. Less we forget others saying they did something of the same to zero the system to the weapon AND have used it with proficiency.

> Some people can't hit a barn when "jump" shooting animals. If the OP isn't that experienced I would hope he wants to be shooting for a clean kill. Hence the suggestion for consistent groups, WHICH by the way doesn't ALWAYS mean sub-moa results.

> I don't need anyone to advise me on my "take" of this forum. Your opinion of my reply is not worth the air you are breathing.

Your last comment validated my claim. There are many like you. Hopefully in person you react differently.

 

[HeavyAssault]

The amount of effort you use to prove the depth of your ignorance amazes me.

 

[wade2big]

The amount of effort you use to prove the depth of your ignorance amazes me.

What are you talking about. Man you are combative over nothing. Hell i agree with most of your points. I showed no ignorance. Everything I said is valid, especially about how you are lashing out for nothing. You are the one piling on me but thats fine. I will quite responding to you so OP can have his thread back.

 

[HeavyAssault]

It's not "quite" it's quit.

Don't bash people's opinions when your own don't have any merit to the post (a reference to consistent groups and F-Class shooting) and that should stop your issues.

 

[wade2big]

It's not "quite" it's quit.

Don't bash people's opinions when your own don't have any merit to the post (a reference to consistent groups and F-Class shooting) and that should stop your issues.

It was a JOKE!!!! Its sarcasm. What a douche.

 

[HeavyAssault]

Keep trying.....your efforts are validating my claim.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

The amount of effort you use to prove the depth of your ignorance amazes me.

You’re the only ignorant one I see here.

I have a RMR mounted at 45 degrees on a Spuhr for my DMR rifle and I can shoot 3” or less groups at 100 yards consistently with it off a tripod. That’s as good as a lot of hunting rifles shoot off a bench and at least twice as good as most fudds shoot them in the field with a support. If you don’t think a red dot is accurate enough to kill a deer or pig in the field then you’re a fool.

 

[HeavyAssault]

Show me where I ever did say anything of the sort in these posts @redneckbmxer24......PLEASE do.

 

[wade2big]

Keep trying.....your efforts are validating my claim.

Keep trying what? Talk sense into you? I’m trying to understand your mindset. I didn’t bash your opinion like you said earlier either. I made a joke. That’s all. Re-read the posts. You bashed me partner.

Lighten up man. Life is way to short for this petty shit whether on the internet or in the real world.

 

[HeavyAssault]

@wade2big It was sarcasm.....A JOKE!!! What a twit.

 

[wade2big]

@wade2big It was sarcasm.....A JOKE!!! What a twit.

I dont know what to say anymore. Let me guess. East or west coast. No friends.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Just wondering if anyone has experience with running and rmr as a backup or for less than 100 meter engagements.
My application would be for hunting if I were to walk up on a deer in the woods and take a shot between 10-50 meters.
Any experienced advice would be greatly appreciated!

It works great for what you’re looking to do. Disregard the stupidity that’s been posted here.

 

[HeavyAssault]

@wade2big....good to see you are catching on.

 

[wade2big]

@wade2big....good to see you are catching on.

The difference is I was being sincere. Im done jacking around. I actually have friends and family to enjoy.

 

[HeavyAssault]

@wade2big Sincere???? LOL.....that's rich. I have friends all over. Once again you disappoint.