OLD bolt action rifle HELP!!

[Mharb21]

I have a lifelong friend that is wanting to trade me an old rifle for one that I have. This thing has been in his family for 4 generations.
I have looked and looked for any info on this thing and can’t find an exact match anywhere yet.
I know there is someone on here that can help me.
any help would be greatly appreciated.

My cell is (731)446-6063 if you would rather text me.

Rifle is 55.77 inches long.

 

[TheOfficeT-Rex]

It appears to be a Mosin-Nagant receiver of some description, but it's been sporterized, as I don't know of any models with brass on them.

Are there any other receiver markings or stampings? Calibre?

ETA: The stamp on the bolt is a russian quality control stamp, and the engraving center top of the receiver appears to be what's left of an imperial eagle. It's too worn and incomplete for me to offer more than that though, sorry. Maybe someone with more russian bolt knowledge can assist (I'm more of an AK guy)

Russian and Soviet Mosin Nagant Marks

 

[Mharb21]

It appears to be a Mosin-Nagant receiver of some description, but it's been sporterized, as I don't know of any models with brass on them.

Are there any other receiver markings or stampings? Calibre?

ETA: The stamp on the bolt is a russian quality control stamp, and the engraving center top of the receiver appears to be what's left of an imperial eagle. It's too worn and incomplete for me to offer more than that though, sorry. Maybe someone with more russian bolt knowledge can assist (I'm more of an AK guy)

Russian and Soviet Mosin Nagant Marks

There aren’t any caliber markings. There are a few small marks on the back of the bolt. See pics

 

[kentuckyMarksman]

Looks like a sporterized Mosin Nagant, possibly a 91/30 model because they had longer barrels.

Looks to not be in the original stock, all bluing was removed. Looks like the manufacturer marks and serial number was removed as well. I know that's illegal to do now, but don't know about the laws whenever it was sporterized.

I'm assuming that's the original 7.62x54r barrel. It shoots a rimmed cartridge.

I would pass.

 

[brianf]

unless what you have is never going to be used again...never trade rifles...you always come out worse

 

[swampbuck]

It's not worth anything. Maybe if you knew somthing about it a conversation piece but based on what you stated on your post not even that

 

[ODCMP]

I agree, not worth much at all. Even as a sporterized rifle, it is not a very functional configuration. I guess it would depend what it is that you are trading...

 

[TheOfficeT-Rex]

Looks like a sporterized Mosin Nagant, possibly a 91/30 model because they had longer barrels.

Looks to not be in the original stock, all bluing was removed. Looks like the manufacturer marks and serial number was removed as well. I know that's illegal to do now, but don't know about the laws whenever it was sporterized.

I'm assuming that's the original 7.62x54r barrel. It shoots a rimmed cartridge.

I would pass.

I agree - all those proof marks match a 91/30 rifle, probably 30s production, but with all the manufacturing marks removed, its impossible to tell. There should be a nitro proof and date stamp on the barrel just forward of the receiver, but that has been covered with brass and the rear sight removed.

I actually think it's pretty cool, but 1) I'd have to do a chamber cast before I shot it, just to confirm, and 2) It probably doesn't shoot well - Its missing the factory rear sight, it looks to be a non-original nose cap and front sight, and these were typically 2-4 MOA rifles from the factory. I think the factory standard -when they were testing them, and not full scale war production- was about 4 MOA.

Value is up to you - but honestly its not worth more than $80 or so. If it has history with his family, cool, but provenance has to be documented and verified before it adds value. You're buying the rifle, not the story.

 

[brianf]

^^^
actually i think your buying the story not the rifle

anything "old" is about the story, relics usually shoot poorly in general

who would buy a M1 Garand if it wasnt a military rifle? there are some of us (like me) but if you make a checklist vs something newer and do not put a "history" column youd never buy one

 

[TheOfficeT-Rex]

In this instance, you are buying the story (and probably a wall hanger that goes with it). If that makes it cool to you, go for it.

I just caution that sentimental value != actual added resale value. Unless you're buying a proven provenance of some historical interest or import, don't let it affect your valuation of the item. Pay what the item is worth, not whatever story you are sold (minus verified and documented provenance). I don't mean to sound cruel, but "Old and has been in the family for generations" is neither interesting enough nor historically relevant enough to add value to the rifle for anyone but the seller. Prove to me that it was JMB's project rifle with a picture of him holding it in his workshop - now we're adding value.

This is partly why I don't like buying/selling to friends.