Re: Opinion on IOR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Swamper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let Berish tell you about how Valdada specified lighter weight tubing in the scopes the Romanians build for them to sell here, and that is why the rings crush the tubes. Probably not a problem in the European market where they use better tubing. </div></div>
Mr. Hogan,
It's rude and contemptful to address somebody by their proper name without using a surname. Par for the course, though; I'm sure your foaming at the mouth now that you've been outed.
You can ask "Berish" all you want about thinner IOR tubes being spec'd for the US market, the answer will be the same. I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, and you're full of it. Your credibility in my eyes has dropped from slim to none. Your statement is a complete lie.
You damm well did challenge my integrity in your original un-edited posts. I saw it, and others saw it. You are also doing so now, albiet in a more open and direct manner. Hey, that's progress (for you).
I dismissed you as some sort of anonymous malconent, but after finding out who you were, it was time to shine the spotlight on the cockroach. That's why this is being addressed at a personal level, for the undecided who might be swayed by the cognitive dissonance you are adept at creating (the Good Lord gave me a little gray matter too, BTW).
What's lowdown and underhanded is taking potshots behind the veil of an anonymous internet forum handle at a company that, by your own admission, took the time to try to assist you with an issue in which there was no chance of making a sale or making money. For that, I get stabbed in the back. Your book, no doubt, was written by George Hayduke.
I have a right and a responsibility to defend myself and the business I own.
By your own admission, you have used/owned IOR scopes that have worked well for you, and some that haven't. Pretty much what I said, wasn't it?
Your postings show you do not understand the relationship between IOR and Valdada.
I've always been blunt, open, honest, and transparent (I like that word) in conducting my business, even if it costs me a sale. I've got a body of cyber-work 6 years long to prove it, among the countless emails, PMs and phone calls that interacted with thousands of people.
Do you recall the story of the Sniper's Hide FFP 3-18? Can you imagine how excited I was to finally bring this to market? Can you imagine how sick I was when the scopes started dropping like flies? How did I handle that, Mr. Hogan? Did I bury that info in the backyard and keep taking money from my "unsuspecting" customers knowing these scopes were being returned? No sir, I got up here and posted the reality for all the world to see, knowing my wallet was going to take a big hit and I might have been finished as a dealer here. But the alternative was unacceptable to me. It was a rough patch and I weathered the storm. Actions speak louder than words, Mr. Hogan.
Am I opinionated? Yup. Abrasive? Sometimes. Always right? Nope. But deceitful or dishonest in my dealings? Sitting on inside info that proves I'm knowingly screwing over my customers? No, screw you. You're a jerk, and prove it with every post.
It's too bad, you seem intelligent and have some talent, but that energy is wasted sharpening axes and putting others down because you think they're stupid. We reap what we sow.
The fact is there are no shortage of IOR haters here, and I'm not defending IOR or Valdada. You can slam them all you want, such is your right, but I ask you leave Liberty Optics out of it. We've done nothing to you to earn being thrown under the bus (other than calling you out for your agenda).
The fact is if the Hide owner or the members here thought I was conducting business in an unsavory manner I wouldn't be here long. Lowlight can and has eliminated vendors who don't measure up, and guys here aren't afraid to vote with their wallets.
Like you, I'm "just a guy". The difference is, I realize it and you don't. My questions for you, Mr. Hogan, are this: What are bringing to the table here at the Hide? What are you contributing here for the betterment of the shooting community? All I've seen from you here in the Optics forum is you rail against high end "specialized" optics, lecture against scopes that are "too heavy" or have "too much magnification", warn of the "dangers" of buying from "boutique" optics manufacturers, forewarn of impending doom to anybody who buys an IOR product, and other preachy nonsense. All while leaving the reader to believe you might actually be somebody. C'mon, man.
My advice to the other members here is to take you with a large grain of salt, at best, or to ignore you completely, at worst. But that's just my opinion, based on my expererience with you. Others will make up there mind as they may.
Hiders,
It's never any fun going to this level but this is a rare case where I felt it was warranted. You are indeed a very clever man, Mr. Hogan. You did a smooth job avoiding detection for some time.
I'm finished here, I said what I needed to and everyone here knows where I stand. If anybody has any questions about any of this give me a call or drop me a line.
Thanks, and have a nice day.
"Berish"
