Rifle Scopes Optic top ten

[blksno]

Ok, I have a friend that lives out in Denver, a bit of a city kid. I'm not sure he has shot anything but a .22 in the whole of his life. Originally hails from Eastern SD. None of this has any barring to the situation...but...He is getting into the long range shooting world and plans to build a .338LM in the very near future.

He has been asking me for pointers and options for set ups and weapon/caliber choices but I thought I would leave it to you Optic PROs that know your glass.

He is looking for a 5-10 scope list that would range from "good but inexpensive"..."to top of the line" TO PUT ON A LONG RANGE .338, so that he knows where he can cut corners and get what he wants for the least cash.

if you could, could you please put down a few of your favorite models. He is interested in variable power, but i told him there are some very nice fixed power as well. Nothing in the bench rest group.

I told him
1. Tasco Super Sniper 10 x 42 M
2. Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30 x 50
3. Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50
4. Razor HD 5-20x50
5. Leupold Mark 4 8.5-25x50mm ER/T
6. NightForce NXS 8-32x56 NPR2
7. US Optics SN3
8. Schmidt&Bender 4–16 x 50 Precision Hunter
9. Premier Heritage 5-25x56

 

[orkan]

Re: Optic top ten

1. Barska
2. Counter Sniper
3. BSA
4. Pine Ridge
5. NC Star
6. ATN
7. Leapers
8. Alpen
9. Sightmark
10. Brunton

All top brands.

 

[deadly0311]

Re: Optic top ten

personally this is what i would do. I would start out with something other than a 338 LM, id go 308 in a 5R milspec or something of the likes. Put a USO SN3 or NF F1 on top of it and rock out. Jumping into the Precision Rifle game with a 338 LM is the likes of going from T-Ball to MLB games. That 338 would be a waste inside 800 yds and he would be ponying up more cash for ammo than anything else and having a big bore rifle to learn on isnt the best of ideas. If he is dead set on that though, id rock a USO SN3 or NF F1...both are gonna run you about the same

 

[Rancid Coolaid]

Re: Optic top ten

.338 for a rifle newbie is a recipe for disaster.

First, he will not have the skill to shoot long-range in the beginning, and next, the recoil will probably drive him from the pursuit altogether.

I know there is the "mine is bigger than yours" thing at the local gun range, but it ain't the smartest of endeavors.

I'd recommend he get a .308 and top it with something decent but not super high-end. A SuperSniper 3-9X or 10X would be good starting scopes.


You gotta crawl before you walk, and a .338 is not a friendly gun to shoot for a newbie - nor is it particularly inexpensive. In short, it is not a learning gun.

Get a .308, top it with a 3-9 FFP SuperSniper, and spend all that remains on instruction, ammo, and range fees. Practice will do far more for his skill than a long pecker and a 200+ grain projectile going 3000 FPS.

 

[blksno]

Re: Optic top ten

oh trust me...i have MORE THAN TRIED talking him out of the .338
i suggested starting with a 6mm or 7mm.
he then decided the 300wsm would be a way to go, then all of a sudden is jumping into the .416 range.

I was like...woah dude hold up...relax. I said if he was dead set on going big bore...he would be in a world of shit going higher than the .338.

(and i am not aware of the recoil reduction of the .338 suppressors..but he is planning to get a can as well)

the dude just has disposable income these days, i didnt want to ask where or how he got it...but the fact remains. he has a piece of change burning a hole in his sniper pants

 

[deadly0311]

Re: Optic top ten

dude in that case, tell him to build a 375 CT and then you shoot it whenever too

 

[*Nine]

Re: Optic top ten

Tell him to get whatever optic YOU want, then when the novelty of the .338LM wears off and it just sits in the safe, you can try to get him to give you a good price on the optic.

 

[Rancid Coolaid]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c_bass16</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> he has a piece of change burning a hole in his sniper pants </div></div>

What are sniper pants?

If he isn't listening to you on gun, why should he listen on optics? he probably already knows Leupold makes the best sniper scopes, maybe they make one to match his sniper pants.

 

[blksno]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tell him to get whatever optic YOU want, then when the novelty of the .338LM wears off and it just sits in the safe, you can try to get him to give you a good price on the optic.

</div></div>

yesm, i gave that serious thought too. I do one day plan to get a Bohica or Tactilite upper for my AR one day. but in all honesty, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">if i had the cash</span></span></span>...id just pimp the shit out of a S&B 12.5-50x56mm PMII or get an SN9 in case something comes inside 800m...i could take it off and beat it to death.

He lives about 12h away so there will be no getting to shoot his whenever "we" go out. and he is the kind of guy that would rather get stingy and keep it and be miserable rather than have someone prove him wrong.

 

[Chiller]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c_bass16</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> he has a piece of change burning a hole in his sniper pants </div></div>

What are sniper pants?

If he isn't listening to you on gun, why should he listen on optics? he probably already knows Leupold makes the best sniper scopes, maybe they make one to match his sniper pants. </div></div>

Kinda like "big boy pants"...

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[ScottyS]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. Barska
2. Counter Sniper
3. BSA
4. Pine Ridge
5. NC Star
6. ATN
7. Leapers
8. Alpen
9. Sightmark
10. Brunton

All top brands. </div></div>

Muuhuhuhuhahahaha!

Seriously, on a .338 I would limit it to:

16x SWFA SS
NXS of choice
S&B of choice
Premier of choice
Fixed Leupold 16x

Or, tell him to buy the Leupold 20x I am taking off my McBros .50 ;-) Total ELR reliability for cheap.

 

[Chiller]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ScottyS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. Barska
2. Counter Sniper
3. BSA
4. Pine Ridge
5. NC Star
6. ATN
7. Leapers
8. Alpen
9. Sightmark
10. Brunton

All top brands. </div></div>

Muuhuhuhuhahahaha!

Seriously, on a .338 I would limit it to:

16x SWFA SS
NXS of choice
S&B of choice
Premier of choice
Fixed Leupold 16x

Or, tell him to buy the Leupold 20x I am taking off my McBros .50 ;-) Total ELR reliability for cheap. </div></div>

Vortex would be in the mix....

 

[gugubica]

Re: Optic top ten

I want some sniper pants...

Just tell him to give you 3000 in cash and that you guarantee he will be satified with the scope you purchase him.

 

[jerseymike]

Re: Optic top ten

1: Schmidt and Bender PMII
2: Schmidt and Bender PMII
3: Schmidt and Bender PMII
4: Schmidt and Bender PMII
5: Schmidt and Bender PMII
6: Schmidt and Bender PMII
7: Schmidt and Bender PMII
8: Schmidt and Bender PMII
9: Schmidt and Bender PMII
10:Schmidt and Bender PMII

 

[BobinNC]

Re: Optic top ten

This thread has all the makings of a "classic"....

Starting out shooting with a 338 or a 416.....cutting corners........sniper pants.....Classic

LOL

 

[AWGunS]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.338 for a rifle newbie is a recipe for disaster.

First, he will not have the skill to shoot long-range in the beginning, and next, the recoil will probably drive him from the pursuit altogether.

I know there is the "mine is bigger than yours" thing at the local gun range, but it ain't the smartest of endeavors.

I'd recommend he get a .308 and top it with something decent but not super high-end. A SuperSniper 3-9X or 10X would be good starting scopes.


You gotta crawl before you walk, and a .338 is not a friendly gun to shoot for a newbie - nor is it particularly inexpensive. In short, it is not a learning gun.

Get a .308, top it with a 3-9 FFP SuperSniper, and spend all that remains on instruction, ammo, and range fees. Practice will do far more for his skill than a long pecker and a 200+ grain projectile going 3000 FPS. </div></div>

+1. For a guy who hasn't shot much more than a .22, he is in for a rude awakening.

On the bright side, you might end up with a 338 LM, with a crappy scope, cheap in a few months....

 

[ScottyS]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread has all the makings of a "classic"....

Starting out shooting with a 338 or a 416.....cutting corners........sniper pants.....Classic

LOL

</div></div>

What's funny is that every town has guys like this - buy the biggest and best, only to take it out to the 200yd range once a year to impress his buddies.

In any other internet forum, I think the appropriate response after "sniper pants" would be IN BEFORE THE LOCK!!!11!1!

 

[396chevy]

Re: Optic top ten

Im afraid I wanted to do the same thing I was looking at a 338 untill a wise friend talked me into a 223. I still plan on stepping up to a 338 in the future but im glad I started with a 223 with a NF scope as I had never shot than a couple scoped 22's and an 8mm K98.... Oh and I would recomend a NF, S&B or Premier,{Or if he has money to burn have him get a Counter Sniper!!! JK}

 

[MEDICGORDO]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c_bass16</div><div class="ubbcode-body">oh trust me...i have MORE THAN TRIED talking him out of the .338
i suggested starting with a 6mm or 7mm.
he then decided the 300wsm would be a way to go, then all of a sudden is jumping into the .416 range.

I was like...woah dude hold up...relax. I said if he was dead set on going big bore...he would be in a world of shit going higher than the .338.

(and i am not aware of the recoil reduction of the .338 suppressors..but he is planning to get a can as well)

the dude just has disposable income these days, i didnt want to ask where or how he got it...but the fact remains. he has a piece of change burning a hole in his sniper pants</div></div> Dont talk him out of it,he will get beat like a rented mule a few times might even get his eye dotted ect. ect. and then he comes to you tell you that he should have listen to you and you get it for half of what he paid or trade for something smaller.lesson learned!

 

[kurt]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. Barska
2. Counter Sniper
3. BSA
4. Pine Ridge
5. NC Star
6. ATN
7. Leapers
8. Alpen
9. Sightmark
10. Brunton

All top brands. </div></div>

forgot the osprey international another leader in scopes

 

[stalker1131]

Re: Optic top ten

Attention everyone!!! I have sniper pants for sale. They are urban camo bdu's and sell for only $195 a pair. Can you see if he wants to buy some with that rifle? I can throw in a pair of urban camo underoos to go with it for $25 more.. By the way, tell him the pants will help his load from falling out the first time he shoots the .338 if all he has ever shot is a 22.

And thats how the idea of sniper pants was born.

 

[blksno]

Re: Optic top ten

his sniper pants have a water proof inner liner to catch the shit blown from his ass when he first fires his new boom stick.

The reason (i hope) that he would take advice on optics even though he did not take advice on caliber is because i told him in advance that I only have experience looking through 3 brand name scopes...and that i would get input from you fellas. so he knows the input is coming from TheHide.

and i do not know for sure the weapons he has shot, but being that he grew up in a suburb and has never hunted in the 10 years i have known him...i am only assuming limited experience.

 

[okiefired]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c_bass16</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> so he knows the input is coming from TheHide.</div></div>

Damn, I hate to hear that.

okie

 

[Basher]

Re: Optic top ten

Hey, hook a brotha up with some of those sniper pantz, bro!

I checked Triad Tactical for ammo prices this morning before I placed my order, and .338LM was $99 and change for a 20 round box of BH match! I hope this buddy of yours has some D-E-E-P pockets!!!

 

[blksno]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Basher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, hook a brotha up with some of those sniper pantz, bro!

I checked Triad Tactical for ammo prices this morning before I placed my order, and .338LM was $99 and change for a 20 round box of BH match! I hope this buddy of yours has some D-E-E-P pockets!!!

</div></div>

Well, they are deep, but I am not sure if he realizes how deep they need to be. Maybe he is counting on his sniper pants having eight different deep pockets?

 

[Basher]

Re: Optic top ten

^^^Hahahaha! Well, hopefully he runs this series of pending purchases through his current budget before he starts randomly buying stuff!

 

[Blasst]

Re: Optic top ten

A 338 huh.....I guess he hasn't read about Cheytac and Barrett...introduce him to those....that'll lighten his bank account just buying ammo if he can afford the gun.

This thread cracks me up.

 

[sickeness]

Re: Optic top ten

Your "friend" sounds like a moron. You should be doing the opposite and try to convince him to start with .50 cal because that's what "real snipers shoot", he sounds like the type of guy who would believe that.

 

[BasraBoy]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sickeness</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your "friend" sounds like a moron. </div></div>

+1

Kinda like kids passing their driving test and then hopping straight into dad's/mum's Porsche/Ferrari (delete as appropriate) and ending up as a grease spot on the road.....obvious to most and sadly inevitable but for some reason there are guys who just don't see it coming!

I'd suggest he go with a milsurp and iron sights (borrowed if necessary - but I'm guessing nowhere near "cool" enough to go with the sniper pants) and a decent basic training course before a scoped .223 / .308

or better still....get him out more and introduce him to some girls?

 

[King-Kong]

Re: Optic top ten

Hensoldt or Schmidt and Bender PMII for 338Lm.

 

[gugubica]

Re: Optic top ten

You should tell him to sign up and ask himself...

We promise to be nice! heh heh

In all honesty though, if his end goal is to impress the un-awashed masses, the Counter Sniper Titanium is hard to beat. I have yet to see a NF, S&B or Premier with "Property of United States Government" inscribed on them! And, to my knowledge, NONE of those come in titanium.

 

[blksno]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You should tell him to sign up and ask himself...

We promise to be nice! heh heh

In all honesty though, if his end goal is to impress the un-awashed masses, the Counter Sniper Titanium is hard to beat. I have yet to see a NF, S&B or Premier with "Property of United States Government" inscribed on them! And, to my knowledge, NONE of those come in titanium. </div></div>


I told him to sign up when he was looking for a rifle, for all I know, maybe he did and just didnt tell me.

I said if he does, to just sit back and read for the first month, I already warned him about you guys and noobs. He'd get eaten alive here. I recall the first topic I created merely 11 months ago was regarding a Counter Sniper Scope..oh how I've grown.

 

[396chevy]

Re: Optic top ten

Yup noobs here get eaten alive sometimes after being skinned alive and lit on fire.{I should know as I still am one} But at least we keep thing interesting.

 

[shooting4life]

Re: Optic top ten

Just tell him to buy the dta srs in 338 and when the recoil is too much it would not be much more to get another barrel in 308. Best of both worlds that way.

 

[Rancid Coolaid]

Re: Optic top ten

Countersniper scope = titties!

 

[okiefired]

Re: Optic top ten

This site used to be a place to have intellegent conversations about shooting and equipment with professionals who were patient and didn't mind helping a novice or pro. When I was a noob here, not to shooting but to the site, I remember actually speaking with David Tubbs about several things. I'd really like to know the backgrounds and achomplishments of some of these people who are so proud of thier "noob eating" abilities. I would imagine people of the calibre of Mr. Tubbs dont hang around much in such environs. The decline of the Hide, such is its current state.

okie

 

[gugubica]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This site used to be a place to have intellegent conversations about shooting and equipment with professionals who were patient and didn't mind helping a novice or pro. </div></div>

I do miss that, but I don't blame the old hats as much as I bleme the new sign-ups. I genuinely enjoy helping out new shooters and learning from experts...but, intellegent conversation is only possible when both parties are...intellegent. I am not saying that all newbs are not intellegent, but many are ignorant (not a slam, just the actual deffinition). The newb needs to at least make an attempt at learning some things before asking redundant questions. There is a search function, there is google. I enjoy helping out new shooters that have shown they care enough to try to learn some basics on their own.

It does them no good to just be spoon fed info. It does us no good to constantly keep saying the same shit over and over. I would venture to guess that is why Mr. Tubbs does not frequent here, not because of the way we police our own, but rather, he got tired of having to spoon feed us idiots (myself included).

There is however, an overwhelming amount of industry professionals on here. More so than any other related forum, from my experience.

I am actually a proponent of making new members take a test before they can post. That way, they either know basic subjects, or are forced to search for the answers. Plus, it would make sure that every member here has something invested, show that they care enough about learning to go through the process. If they are not willing to learn some stuff on their own, then they can just register at ARFcom and be happy.

There exists a process to vet new members, a hazing if you will. How bad or long this lasts is entirely up to the new member. If they sit back, adjust and learn the climate here, then interact with poinient and thoughtfull questions and comments, the hazing is very light. If they jump into ignorant posts and defencive tactics, it is harder on them. As it should be.

There have been some good new members lately that I don't mind helping and even learning from...and there have been some that really drag this forum down. I don't claim to know everything, that is why I am here. But, when a subject is being discussed that I am ignorant of, I keep my mouth shut, reserch so I understand the basics and then listen and learn. If there is a subect that I do have knowledge of, I try to share it, hopefully it is correct and well received, if not, I expect to be called out on it.

 

[300snipe]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: orkan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. Barska
2. Counter Sniper
3. BSA
4. Pine Ridge
5. NC Star
6. ATN
7. Leapers
8. Alpen
9. Sightmark
10. Brunton

All top brands. </div></div>

hahaha, you're killin me over here!

 

[300snipe]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This site used to be a place to have intellegent conversations about shooting and equipment with professionals who were patient and didn't mind helping a novice or pro. </div></div>

I am actually a proponent of making new members take a test before they can post. That way, they either know basic subjects, or are forced to search for the answers.
</div></div>

Not a bad idea... still new here myself but I think the test would probably get new users up to speed with less overall harassment. I'm constantly referring people that I know who are getting into shooting to read the FAQs posted in the optics/rifle/long-range sections before they go asking dumb questions like "but the barska is cheaper and has a mildot..."

This guy with the plans for a 338 is going to just be wasting his money. People do it in all sports - you can see them from a mile away.

 

[zenbiker]

Re: Optic top ten

Opening a pool on the size/depth of the scope cut the first time he touches off that .338; please state depth and length of cut in mm, not inches. Side pool: number of times the word "motherf*cker" is used after the first shot. Takers?

 

[300snipe]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1ZNUF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Opening a pool on the size/depth of the scope cut the first time he touches off that .338; please state depth and length of cut in mm, not inches. Side pool: number of times the word "motherf*cker" is used after the first shot. Takers? </div></div>

event needs to be filmed for sure. proof and all

 

[GreatGonzo]

Re: Optic top ten

Should have had him buy this one:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1608958

The only thing better than a 330Lap as a first rifle is an 8 pound 338Lap.

 

[blksno]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GreatGonzo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should have had him buy this one:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1608958

The only thing better than a 330Lap as a first rifle is an 8 pound 338Lap. </div></div>

holy piss...i dont know if you could PAY me $3800 to shoot an 8lb 338.

 

[blksno]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This site used to be a place to have intellegent conversations about shooting and equipment with professionals who were patient and didn't mind helping a novice or pro. </div></div>

I do miss that, but I don't blame the old hats as much as I bleme the new sign-ups. I genuinely enjoy helping out new shooters and learning from experts...but, intellegent conversation is only possible when both parties are...intellegent. I am not saying that all newbs are not intellegent, but many are ignorant (not a slam, just the actual deffinition). The newb needs to at least make an attempt at learning some things before asking redundant questions. There is a search function, there is google. I enjoy helping out new shooters that have shown they care enough to try to learn some basics on their own.

It does them no good to just be spoon fed info. It does us no good to constantly keep saying the same shit over and over. I would venture to guess that is why Mr. Tubbs does not frequent here, not because of the way we police our own, but rather, he got tired of having to spoon feed us idiots (myself included).

There is however, an overwhelming amount of industry professionals on here. More so than any other related forum, from my experience.

I am actually a proponent of making new members take a test before they can post. That way, they either know basic subjects, or are forced to search for the answers. Plus, it would make sure that every member here has something invested, show that they care enough about learning to go through the process. If they are not willing to learn some stuff on their own, then they can just register at ARFcom and be happy.

There exists a process to vet new members, a hazing if you will. How bad or long this lasts is entirely up to the new member. If they sit back, adjust and learn the climate here, then interact with poinient and thoughtfull questions and comments, the hazing is very light. If they jump into ignorant posts and defencive tactics, it is harder on them. As it should be.

There have been some good new members lately that I don't mind helping and even learning from...and there have been some that really drag this forum down. I don't claim to know everything, that is why I am here. But, when a subject is being discussed that I am ignorant of, I keep my mouth shut, reserch so I understand the basics and then listen and learn. If there is a subect that I do have knowledge of, I try to share it, hopefully it is correct and well received, if not, I expect to be called out on it.

</div></div>


I will just have to +1 that whole pile of words, not even worth trimming. well said.

NOW, back to the point. I dont know jack about the high dollar optics, couldnt afford one if i wanted. I dont know jack about the big bores, but looking forward to learning.

SO, rather than everyone keep pointing out how foolish his choice of weapon is. because it clearly is (and i might have him talked back down to the .300wsm at least) Some more optics opinions? Anyone with a list... anyone owned 5-6 and know the one they'd call "their fav"

 

[300snipe]

Re: Optic top ten

Well... here's some ratings of some scopes I've owned off the top of my head.

1. zeiss 6.5-20x (five out of five rating for quality vs price)
2. zeiss 3-9x (5 stars)
3. leupold VX-II 3-9x (4)
4. leupold VX-I 309x (3.5)
5. Nikon ProStaff 3-9x (3.5)
6. Burris 2x fixed (4.5)
7. Simmons 3-9x (free, crappy and would not buy)
8. Barska something (crap, returned it when I just started shooting- owned it for 4 hours)

probably some more there somewhere... Here's the real thing, he doesn't need a great scope, he's starting out with a gun that is all wrong for a beginner anyway so wasting cash on a top notch scope is pointless. Tell him to get a super sniper 10x or 16x or whatever and be done with it. There's not much point in discussing it much further if you want my opinion. However, it is fun to continue making cracks at him.

 

[blksno]

Re: Optic top ten

well said...let the cracks commence.

This is the message I just sent him...we will see how he responds.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">talked to some pros and got some input on optics.

What kind of set up were you looking at again? the .300WSM or the .338? or what? any idea what rifle ? AR30, Savage?
Kinda makes a difference. and price is the reason.

i'm not sure you really are catching the drift on how much a big bore will cost to shoot.</div></div>

 

[okiefired]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This site used to be a place to have intellegent conversations about shooting and equipment with professionals who were patient and didn't mind helping a novice or pro. </div></div>

I do miss that, but I don't blame the old hats as much as I bleme the new sign-ups. I genuinely enjoy helping out new shooters and learning from experts...but, intellegent conversation is only possible when both parties are...intellegent. I am not saying that all newbs are not intellegent, but many are ignorant (not a slam, just the actual deffinition). The newb needs to at least make an attempt at learning some things before asking redundant questions. There is a search function, there is google. I enjoy helping out new shooters that have shown they care enough to try to learn some basics on their own.

It does them no good to just be spoon fed info. It does us no good to constantly keep saying the same shit over and over. I would venture to guess that is why Mr. Tubbs does not frequent here, not because of the way we police our own, but rather, he got tired of having to spoon feed us idiots (myself included).

There is however, an overwhelming amount of industry professionals on here. More so than any other related forum, from my experience.

I am actually a proponent of making new members take a test before they can post. That way, they either know basic subjects, or are forced to search for the answers. Plus, it would make sure that every member here has something invested, show that they care enough about learning to go through the process. If they are not willing to learn some stuff on their own, then they can just register at ARFcom and be happy.

There exists a process to vet new members, a hazing if you will. How bad or long this lasts is entirely up to the new member. If they sit back, adjust and learn the climate here, then interact with poinient and thoughtfull questions and comments, the hazing is very light. If they jump into ignorant posts and defencive tactics, it is harder on them. As it should be.

There have been some good new members lately that I don't mind helping and even learning from...and there have been some that really drag this forum down. I don't claim to know everything, that is why I am here. But, when a subject is being discussed that I am ignorant of, I keep my mouth shut, reserch so I understand the basics and then listen and learn. If there is a subect that I do have knowledge of, I try to share it, hopefully it is correct and well received, if not, I expect to be called out on it.

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Agreed. I dont blame the old hats at all. I blame the people who have been here for a year or so reading learning about everything they know right here with no actual experience and then feeling the need to point out the ignorance of every noob that asks a stupid question. BTW, ignorance and unintellegence dont have much to do with each other. If someone is too lazy to use the search function it should be pointed out but in a way that dosn't need to get personal.

To the OP, I am very sorry for all the off topic stuff but it needed to be said, I'm done with it now. To your friend who feels like he needs a .338 learnin experience, good luck, I am afraid he's gonna get one.

From my experience on glass for him? NF, Leupy Mk4, Nikon Monarch X.

okie

 

[zenbiker]

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In the arena directed towards intelligent responses, I'd jump on the Tasco SS 16X. From there the jump for me goes to NF, S&B, USO.

I have the SS on all but two of my safe queens; the other two are "made in the USA" marked Mark IVs. If this guy is really a beginner, it's hard to go wrong. Unless, of course, as has been previously suggested, you want to con him into a high $$$ scope which you'll graciously offer to take off his hands at a later date. Be forewarned about kharma being a bitch.

SS has those darned cool mil-dot thingies, lifetime replacement warranty, and passable optics. Maybe, just maybe, this city kid will stick with the shooting. After he teethes a little bit, he can move upward all he wants. Plus, he'll have money left over for a few bottles of ibuprofen... seriously, if the guy wants to shoot, my approach is to get him behind a gun and help him, not sit back and laugh at him, my previous responses notwithstanding. I owe a lot to the guy that helped me out, he sort of took me under his wing and directed me towards the right things and gave me the benefit of his experience. Sure, he busted my nuts at times, but all in fun.

Super Sniper ismy recommendation, with TSR rings (steel version; equivalent to Badger but only about $50 from Brownells). Good luck, your buddy is getting on a big horse, but some people can do that. If he has problems with the .338, well, you know him better than we do, so steer him in the right direction.

Respect,

Wes

 

[mram10]

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Okie,
I am with you Sir. My first time on here was almost my last. I have been on Accurate Reloading Forum for 8 years and the men there are gentlemen, but it is a different type of shooting. This forum offers a lot that ARF doesn't, yet I have seen a lot of rudeness. It bothers me considering the majority of us have either served or are still serving our country. No need for people to act like a jerk to new people that are trying to learn. We all started with zero knowledge. Glad I am not the only one noticing.

 

[blksno]

Re: Optic top ten

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1ZNUF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unless, of course, as has been previously suggested, you want to con him into a high $$$ scope which you'll graciously offer to take off his hands at a later date. Be forewarned about kharma being a bitch.

seriously, if the guy wants to shoot, my approach is to get him behind a gun and help him, not sit back and laugh at him, my previous responses notwithstanding.
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thanks wes. I was room mates with him about 4 years ago in college and we had a falling out. sometimes friends just shouldnt live together. Now that we've patched things up, i would be MORE THAN HAPPY to take him to the range and get him behind some of my set ups...but since he moved to Denver, that just isnt viable.
My occasional chuckles in his direction are not meant as insulting, even if some other guys are...thats why i'm doing my best with the knowledge and resources available to help the guy out.
thanks for the optics pointer. is the fixed 16x gtg for hunting? obviously no need in shooting a critter at 80m with a 338, but do you ever come across the need or urge to have that variable power?