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Gunsmithing Palmetto State > Compass Lake WTSF!

Romeo458

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The Valkyrie target is cluttered but I am talking about the circled groups. The rifles are relatively new, both are less than 100rds post breaking in.

Of the two rifles, one has the Compass Lake 18" SPR style barrel with headspaced bolt intermediate length gas, the other is a Palmetto State 20" PSA Valkyrie barrel bolt combo. (But not advertised as headspaced) the Val is shooting the cheap 75 grain American Eagle, of which I have always been impressed by this rifle's performance.

The MK12ish was firing hand loaded 75gr that my other 5.56 rifles love. The 62gr green tips, and my 55gr 223 blasting load did just as crappy.

Both of these rifles were assembled the same. The upper was lapped the barrel has been seated and locktight 609 was used on the barrel extensions. I own and use both foot and inch pound torque wrenches. The gas block on the Val is clamp, the MK12ish is set screws. The rear set screw had a dimple on the barrel, and the front set screw I flattened to keep the pressure on the barrel even since there was no dimple for it.

After getting at home I inspected everything on it, and almost completely tore it down. There is no evidence of the hand guard contacting the gas block, the BCG looked fine, the scope (leupold MK4 LR/T) is, and was on securely. I fired if from the bipod, and off a bag. As you can see by the groups I fired with the Valkyrie I am capable of shooting substantially better than this.

I am at the point of the only thing I can figure is to tear the barrel off re torque and totally reassemble the rifle unless there is something I should look at first. This is far from the First AR I have assembled, but this is by far the worst results.

(Solved, the scope is broken)
 

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Agree with the above, every barrel is different....you need to develop a load specifically for the Mk12ish barrel, possibly trying different powder and bullet combos to find something it likes. The Mk12 labeled group just looks like a load the barrel doesn’t like all that much.

I would think the down range results would be markedly worse (not to mention functional issues would be present) if there was an assembly error...

What was your Avg MV, SD and ES with that mk12 group?
 
Yesterday was just zeroing the scope day, I haven't got the Coronagraph out on it yet. It didn't just do this with the 75 grain load, it did it with all 3 bullets that I tried 62 and 55 grain also. The groups were the same in size. The 62grain green tip was factory ammo.
 
What trigger did you use and how does the it feel (ie too light, lots of creep, etc)? I once put a hipperfire trigger in my Mk12 mod 1 to try it out and it felt and shot like shit (similar to that group in your pic). Put the CMC back in and it went back to normal (1moa). Just spit balling at this point...

Did you check headspace before assembly (I know the bolt/barrel was said to have been headspaced but I always check anyway)...

After firing, Any pressure signs (or anything usual) on any of the brass? Ejection pattern at 3-4 o’clock for the different ammo fired? Any anomalies observed at the muzzle/crown or chamber?

Edit: the scope is a known good scope?

Disassembly, full/thorough inspection and careful reassembly can’t hurt (just takes a little time), perhaps you will see something you may have missed initially...
 
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Both have stock triggers that are stone polished. Thats what I use in all my AR15s. The brass and ejection did look fine, but I will pay closer attention today. I didn't think to check headspace myself.

The crown looks good, and I sent pics to my gunsmith friend, he also thinks it looks fine. I'm taking the scope from my AR10 with and I'll try it if it's not any better. The MK4 was just on a 308, and reliable.

So far I took everything apart except the barrel and upper, inspected and reassembled. I didn't see anything, but we will see.
 
So the first group printed rather well. I did shake l the scope prior to firing and I didn't hear any rattling. Started dialing to adjust my group and it all went to shit, so I took the scope off and it rattles like a mother fucker. But they AR10 scope on way off in left field of the cardboard, but very nice group. What I would expect from a rifle that cost as much to assemble... Until my hammer Spring broke.