Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

Kevin1

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Please chose what you consider to be the best barrel option(s) for Savage based on the below criteria.
The criteria (from most to least important):

1. Consistency : For me this is by far the most important criteria. This has to do with quality control and customer service. To make sure you don’t get a lemon and if you do the CS will take care of it.

2. Accuracy: The barrel needs to have a potential accuracy of less than 1/4 MOA (since many are already getting 1/2 MOA with standard Savage barrels)

3. Availability

4. Price

Instructions:
First please choose if you recommend a pre-fits or not. Then choose what brand(s) you recommend.

Edit: I forgot Benchmark. I can't edit the poll, but if you chose the option "other" please post your choice to make this poll more relevant.
 
Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

one thing you forgot is calling benchmark and having them do a prefit... it's kind of the best of both worlds... they'll do a savage prefit however you want it, much like haveing a 'smith do the barrel, but it's a prefit and they back it up
 
Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">one thing you forgot is calling benchmark and having them do a prefit... it's kind of the best of both worlds... they'll do a savage prefit however you want it, much like haveing a 'smith do the barrel, but it's a prefit and they back it up </div></div>

I can't beleive I forgot Benchmark!
I can't edit my poll, but I'll edit my original post to request that people post their choice if they choose "other".
 
Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My vote is for benchmark, they make some of the best barrels on the market today.</div></div>

+1 on that one
 
Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

Interesting results. Shilen has more votes than Criterion and Benchmark is pretty popular too. This is interesting because on the Shilen topic many were complaining about the drop in quality (and it’s not reflected in the poll).
Also, even though price is not the most important criteria, please keep in mind that Cirterion only cost $280 and Shilen SM prefit and Benchmark prefi both cost around $450.
 
Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

I guess those would fall under "other". Have you voted "other" with the intent of voting for the below two brands?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Satern Barrels http://www.saternmachining.com/

and

ABS/Proof Research barrels http://proofresearch.com/

should be added to that list.

But yes, having had my ass kicked by benchmark barrels was a truly humbling experience ... </div></div>
 
Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

I see that many have not followed the instructions (first choose between prefit or non prefit).
As a result Krieger has 8 votes even though ”non prefit” has only 2 votes (same with Shilen).
Therefore to get the correct number it’s best to add votes for Krieger to criterion .

Taking the above in consideration:
1. Criterion is first (not a big surprise) with 19 votes (11+8)
2. Next it’s almost a tie between Shilen and Bartlein.

Lastly apologies to the 4 people who don’t care and wasted their time. Don’t know if your Remington fans or just part of the small percentage of a group who is always complaining and are never happy (there is always some). Now I’m certain that you are not going to read my apologies nor my sarcasms simply because you’re way too intelligent to come back and read a second time a topic that you consider a waist of time. Ha ha
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Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

This is probably a dumb question, but are the PacNor prefits the same style as the CBI or factory Savage, i.e. headspace and install at home? I was looking at them a while back and on their site it says “All prefit barrels should be fitted and headspaced only by a qualified and competent gunsmith”. I’ve also seen the term “drop-ins” on the net. Is there any difference?
 
Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

For now:

Overall winner:
Criterion is first.... and by far....
This is not a surprise as it confirms what people were saying about Criterion on previous topics.

Winner in non prefits:
What is a surprise is that amongst the non prefits some top notch brands like Lilja didn't get one single vote. Bartlein is the winner in this category.
 
Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

Asking for 1/4 moa from a factory action is asking a LOT! The only way you are going to get 1/4 for the MOst part is from a combination of a great bbl, accurized action, aftermarket or reworked trigger, Excellent bedding job and stock. A bbl in and of itself isn't going to make a 1/4 moa rifle.
 
Re: Poll: Best match barrel for Savage

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chrisj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Asking for 1/4 moa from a factory action is asking a LOT! The only way you are going to get 1/4 for the MOst part is from a combination of a great bbl, accurized action, aftermarket or reworked trigger, Excellent bedding job and stock. A bbl in and of itself isn't going to make a 1/4 moa rifle. </div></div>

This is very interesting. I do have tendency to agree with you as I’m not sure that a standard Savage 10 action has a potential of consistent sub 1/4 MOA accuracy. That’s why I’m saying “The barrel needs to have a potential accuracy of less than 1/4 MOA”. So this is only the accuracy potential of the barrel and not the entire system. This is to make sure that the barrel is not the weak link in the entire setup. I suspect that to achieve a true 1/4 MOA you need to true and time the Savage Action.

Here’s an interesting reading on this:

<span style="font-weight: bold">
TECH TALK with Fred Moreo--The Dean of Savage Smiths:</span>


Truing and Timing the Savage Action
When I build a rifle, truing and timing the action is a standard procedure, and Gerry's gun was no different. Most shooters understand the concept of truing, but are confused about what "timing" is. When an action is out of time, it is typical that the bolt operation is stiff, bolting or unbolting. This is caused by several things, such as the cocking ratio being out of balance, and the sear engaging too early or too late. Another geometry problem is that the lead-in ramps and the primary extraction are not synchronized, but are actually in conflict with one another. When we true an action, it consists of much more than just machining a few mating surfaces. First the lead-in angles (the ramps that lead into the lug seats) are re-cut to a true helical cam. The factory cuts are made with an end-mill, and are not helical. A helical cam is like a spiral staircase, and I have developed special tooling to precisely cut the lead-in angles to engage the whole width of the bolt lugs. The receiver face and the lug seats are machined to square them up relative to the receiver threads, not to the bore of the receiver like most gunsmiths would do using conventional wisdom. The reason for this is the barrel will be square to the bolt face. Concentricity behind the bolt head is not critical, as the "float" in the bolt head will allow the bolt body to be off center as much as .045" in any direction, and still get full lug contact, although I've never seen one that bad.

The bolt head is squared, front and back and the firing pin protrusion is reset to .040" +- .005". After this is done, the firing pin travel is corrected and timed with the sear and trigger. At this time the cocking ratio is corrected to avoid over cocking and hard bolt lift. The cocking ramps are reground to the correct angle, and lastly the barrel nut is faced for 100% contact.