possible purchase of a 308

[steelman303]

I have been curious about the Savage model 10 FCP-HS.
Great looking piece right out of the box.
I've seen several posts about people with issues & some guys just don't like anything with the damn Savage name on the side.
All issues asside;
Would this rifle be worth it's salt at 1k or would it top out (accuracy wise) at 600-800 yds?

I've even thought about just getting the standard 10 FP (no bells & whistles) & sticking it on an XLR Evolution chassis.

Regardless of what I get, right out of the box it'll get a bedding job, at least until I can get the XLR or something similar.

Looking to spend about $1k on the stick, about $500 or so on the glass. By the way, does anyone have any experience with Hawke optics?
That would leave me with a few bucks left over for some .308 dies to throw in the ol Rock Chucker.

I currently use a 223 at 300-400 yds on steel, but I am looking for something with a bit more punch & with a lot more accuracy.
I would eventually like to give F-class a whirl(when the kids are out of grade school), but at the same time I would like to be able to pop a deer or hog.
I do have a hunting rifle, 270 wby mag, but the recoil is a bit*h.

Any thoughts,
Anyone ??

 

[lazy21]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

Spend $500 on the rifle and 1k on the glass

 

[turbo54]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

Allocate more than $500 for glass.

308 @ 1000 yards is a challenge. Yes, it'll do it. Worth it's salt? Depends on what other "spices" you compare it to. Just about any other common caliber around here will outperform it, but it still has a lot of merit. Because you already have a "less-performing" caliber to shoot the shit out of, I might encourage you to consider a cartridge with a bit more performance - if 1000 yard shooting is important to you.

The Savage is a great platform, but you may wanna keep your eye on the classifieds here. Sweet rifles for fair prices every day. Maybe spend a few weeks watching, get a feel for what your dollar can get you, and act accordingly.

 

[Downzero]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

I totally disagree with the idea of spending a lot of money on glass for targets or F-class. It's unnecessary for that application.

Accuracy does not change with distance, it just becomes harder due to wind and the shooter. If you want that savage, enjoy.

I personally think your .223 has all the capability that you currently desire, and would suggest spending more $$$ on ammunition rather than another rifle.

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

That's "sort of" my train of thought by getting the no bells & whistles rifle & I can bed it for now & stick it in the XLR chassis at a later date. (or some other manufacturer's stock).
It would allow me to throw more cash at the glass right out of the gate.

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

I am so unsatistfied with my 223 it's not even funny.
quite a few years ago, when I didn't know any damn better, I was talked into putting a 1:10 24" bull barrel on my AR platform.
I am planning on putting a new 1:8 barrel on it, if I can find one that I like.

 

[FALex]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

one of my good friends shoots the 10fcp HS, it is a damn fine rifle.

Although, for 1K (maybe a little less), you could get into a Rem 700 5R...

I was shooting steel yesterday with my .223 and .308. At 450, the .223 (69gr SMK) would make the steel sort of wiggle. The .308 on the other hand, would about knock the fucking plate off the chains...and for some damn reason, I thought it was just the funniest thing. I know, I know, I'm easily amused.

 

[rusty815]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

The 10 FCP-HS is a great platform at $1k and should be able to reach out that far with the right load, but I agree with everyone else that you're going to need better glass. If you could spend $1k on the rifle and $1k on a scope, that would be ideal (then you could get something like the weaver tactical or vortex viper pst).

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

FALex,
Is that the 5R with the triangular looking barrel?

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

Rusty815,
I actually looked into the Vortex.
Is there any tangable difference between the Viper & the Razor?

 

[George63]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelman303</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Would this rifle be worth it's salt at 1k or would it top out (accuracy wise) at 600-800 yds?
Any thoughts,
</div></div>

why would anyone think like this?

once the projectile leaves the barrel the rifle looses any ability to affect the flight of the bullet.... there is no guidance system that shuts off at 600, 800 or whatever, the rifle can only affect the consistency of the bullet leaving the barrel, after leaving the barrel the projectile determines performance

EVERY rifle/cartrage combination tops out "accuracy wise" right after the bullet exits the barrel, further travel can only result in the same or more dispersion, never less(again no guidance system)

 

[turbo54]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

Buy this turn-key Savage for $2200. Completely ready to go, just add ammo.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3167594#Post3167594

Action has 203 rounds on it, barrel is new.

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelman303</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Would this rifle be worth it's salt at 1k or would it top out (accuracy wise) at 600-800 yds?
Any thoughts,
</div></div>

why would anyone think like this?

once the projectile leaves the barrel the rifle looses any ability to affect the flight of the bullet.... there is no guidance system that shuts off at 600, 800 or whatever, the rifle can only affect the consistency of the bullet leaving the barrel, after leaving the barrel the projectile determines performance

EVERY rifle/cartrage combination tops out "accuracy wise" right after the bullet exits the barrel, further travel can only result in the same or more dispersion, never less(again no guidance system) </div></div>

George, George, George;
What's my tag line say....after my signature on every post..
You & I both know that all rifles are not created equal.
Otherwise there would be no reason for GAP to be in business.

 

[JGorski]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

I dont see any problems spending 500 or so on optics, my 308 (top) and 6mm (bottom) both have $430 & $525 stuck into their respective Burris Signature scopes, they do very well at longer ranges. Only thing is, Burris dont make a premium 1" scope any longer, so Id have to step up to a Black Diamond or one of their Tactical scopes if I wanted a Burris scope.

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

I agree !
My hunting rifle has a $250 Bushnell.
It's been on there for 10 years.
It's been banged around, drug through the mud & rain.
& bounced around a truck across GA, AL, & FL.
The old Bushnell still does the trick, but again, it's a hunting rifle.
If a hunting rifle holds 1 MOA, it's good to go.
One thing that I do know, The glass on my precision setup will have a 30mm tube.

 

[George63]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelman303</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelman303</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Would this rifle be worth it's salt at 1k or would it top out (accuracy wise) at 600-800 yds?
Any thoughts,
</div></div>

why would anyone think like this?

once the projectile leaves the barrel the rifle looses any ability to affect the flight of the bullet.... there is no guidance system that shuts off at 600, 800 or whatever, the rifle can only affect the consistency of the bullet leaving the barrel, after leaving the barrel the projectile determines performance

EVERY rifle/cartrage combination tops out "accuracy wise" right after the bullet exits the barrel, further travel can only result in the same or more dispersion, never less(again no guidance system) </div></div>

George, George, George;
What's my tag line say....after my signature on every post..
You & I both know that all rifles are not created equal.
Otherwise there would be no reason for GAP to be in business. </div></div>

you are missing my point, I did not say that the rifle does not impart precision (or accuracy) to the projectile, the point was that every thing the rifle can do ends at the end of the barrel not at some other distance

my main issue is with the idea that accuracy could "peak out" at 600 yds

the post posed a question with vague generalities and flawed logic instead of asking:

from those who have experience with the Savage model 10 FCP-HS. What is the probability that with carefully prepared handloads, suitable optics and good conditions a factory model could hold 1 moa at 1000 yds

a question with specific parameters and realistic expectations

With a factory model performance is not a yes or no because there is no true testing/rejecting, so it has to be a probability. A quality gunsmith built rifle can be a yes or no on performance if it does not get shipped without being proven

BTW you asked for any thoughts, thats what I thought, so thats what you got

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

George,
Don't be offended, but I think you are missing the point of my original question.
Perhaps a bit of clarification is needed here.
Basically for those who have experience with the 10 FCP, given handloads & proper bedding, can this be a 1/4 - 1/2 MOA rifle?

Keeping in mind that some people put together specific rifles to meet the specific requirement that they attend to achieve. they may be shooting deer & 200 yds or they may be hitting paper at 1000, but often times neither are good for multi-purpose use.

After researching all of my options, this appears to be a great compromise. But seeing that no one here in Atlanta has one on the shelf that I can handle, I need some input from those experienced with this platform who can say buy it or don't buy it, or prehaps make a valid suggestion as to something that may be better.

I wish I had $10k to spend on an ACIS & a USO but that's just not the situation.

 

[calling4life]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

Can it be, yes, but it could also shoot 3 moa, you aren't guaranteed anything unless it is guaranteed... Follow

If you have to have 1/4-1/2moa accuracy, then a rifle, like a GAP that guarantees it is the only way it will be a for sure.

Maybe the savage f/tr would fit the bill here...
Maybe a long range precision in 260, but you're then in f-open.

A remmy 5r puts you in the same boat...

I personally, did what you are looking at doing, but I went with the 10fcp in a choate tactical, it is a more comfortable fit for me.
Outside of wanting a 260 now, I don't regret my choice at all, though the gun is now at GAP being cut to 18" & having a brake put on.

I shot fclass with it, I was very much the limiting factor.

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

Calling4life:

I have actually considered the Savage F-T/R.
I just dont really care for the weight & overall length.
I'm curious how it would do with about 6" - 8" taken off the barrel? The other drawback to the F-T/R is that it is a 1:12 barrel where as the FCP has a 1:10 barrel.

 

[George63]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelman303</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Basically for those who have experience with the 10 FCP, given handloads & proper bedding, can this be a 1/4 - 1/2 MOA rifle?
</div></div>

OK now there is a question that can be reasonably answered, I have a 10 FCP bedded in a bell + carlson medalist (probably the least expensive suitable stock), with carefully developed 175 SMK handloads and a suitable scope; it is 1/2 moa (sample size 5) at 200yds in good conditions 90% reliably - over 500 yds 1 moa (sample size 5) 80 % reliably

so with your guidelines I would say in the hands of a top shooter there is less than a 1% chance that a .308 10FCP would reliably (95%) shoot 1/2 moa at 1000 yds

or put it another way I would wager any $$ that someone would care to that 95% of shots fired would not be inside a 5.3 inch circle at 1000 yds(just by bedding a randomly selected rifle)

 

[FALex]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

no sir, the 5R has the stainless steel heavy barreled action, in the HS precision stock. You are thinking of the VTR models, they have the triangular barrel.

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

Thanks FALex for the info.
I don't usually look at Remington so I wasn't sure.
Not quite sure what it is but there is something in my subconsious that steers me away from Remington.
Not that I wouldn't consider one, it's just not been my first choice.

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

George,
Now there's a top-notch answer to my silly little question.
again, if I could afford a custom, I would.
Just looking for the next best thing.
Thanks for the advice & input.
JLP

 

[FALex]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelman303</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks FALex for the info.
I don't usually look at Remington so I wasn't sure.
Not quite sure what it is but there is something in my subconsious that steers me away from Remington.
Not that I wouldn't consider one, it's just not been my first choice. </div></div>

To be honest, I felt the same myself, and I only owned Savage rifles. That is until I got my hands on the 5R! I still love the accutrigger; my .223 is a Savage, it is an amazingly accurate rifle.

 

[steelman303]

Re: possible purchase of a 308

yes, the acutriger was my hook.
The line & the sinker was reading about the success that Team Savage had.
I have had the opportunity to try my cousin's 243.
love the way the acutriger felt. It really made me concentrate on proper trigger squeeze. I could definately tell when I was pulling to the left or right & not sqeezing in a straight line.
Not exactly something that I realized with my old Winchester 70.