Rifle Scopes Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

[onlyfineknives]

I have the opportunity to pick up a 3-15 premier with a Horus H37 reticle for fairly reasonable dollars. I have both the 3-15 and 5-25 Premier with the Gen 2 XR and enjoy them very much.

I have ordered the Horus 3-12 Hawk to temporarily try on a Surgeon 20" 308 to see how I like the functionality of the reticle.

I am interested in feedback from users on the advantages of the Horus reticle to a "standard" reticle such a the Gen 2 XR. Is it essentially the speed of transitions to different distances and 2nd shot adjustment accuracy?

FYI, I have been using the Gen 2 XR for holdovers on 2 moa steel targets out to 850yds and been very successful with it, obviously not having the windage markings in small measurements on every mil line is different.

Thanks

 

[steve123]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

If your like me and don't feel like dialing all the time then the Horus Reticle is unequaled.

To use .1 mil all you have to do is bracket in between two lines.There is also plenty of reference for wind holds or correcting for misses if you see a strike in the dirt.

If you end up passing on the Premier/Horus please let me know!

 

[wirehand]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

The H37 in a mid range power scope is to much reticle.

If you have not seen it, the actual center of the scope is at the 10 mil. line .

The entire reticle is offset higher for use in longer range holdovers.

The H25 or abouts, I feel would be a better choice.

I currently have a USO with the H37 and I would still prefer the H25 and if needed dial an intermediate elev. and subtract that from the holdover dope.

In reality the best feature for the Horus reticles are the dual use of hold for elev. and have an actual refrence point for holding wind.

Second best is the ease of correcting for the previous shot if it's a miss.

I have been running MPR in a USO and dialing elev and holding for wind ,and really it's not that much faster ( the Horus that is)

Also if you want to know if you will be satisfied with the H37 pick a Horus scope with said reticle, as the Hawk caries the H425 and the Falcon is available with the H37.

There really can be a difference in being distracted by the retilce between them.

 

[Graham]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: onlyfineknives</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am interested in feedback from users on the advantages of the Horus reticle to a "standard" reticle such a the Gen 2 XR. Is it essentially the speed of transitions to different distances and 2nd shot adjustment accuracy?
</div></div>The Horus may or may not help a less experienced shooter to learn to make follow-up shots if the first shot is low, but the reticle isn't worth the money they ask for it. The Gen II can be parsed to .2 Mils and is as fast to use correctly if you know what you are doing.

 

[onlyfineknives]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

First, thanks for all the replies.

Second, Graham, I have been able to use the Gen 2 XR very effectively with elevation holds and if it were only for elevation, I wouldn't even be considering the Horus.

My main question is speed with a combination of elevation and wind holds. The wind holds get somewhat dicey with the Gen 2 XR especially in the inbetween areas where there aren't any windage markings.

Still thinking . . .

 

[JRose]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

H37 sucks so bad, but since the PSR contract wants it, so will civilians.

 

[onlyfineknives]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

JRose,

Can you help me with an explanation why it's so bad?

Thanks

 

[JRose]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

There's just too much shit going on in there for me, and I'm a Horus reticle fan... The center aiming point of the reticle is above the centerline of the scope, which is just odd. All those hash marks is just too much, it's great to have finite measurments when holding, but when you get lost in the reticle, and have to count your way back down to where you need to be, you're really being counter productive to the time you think your saving by not dialing...

The good thing about the H25 (and even better, the H27!) is that even though the reticle is kinda busy, you had two big upper quadrants that were clear in order to view things without looking through a grid. That is seriously hampered with the H37.

 

[deadly0311]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

The H37 reticle is akin to looking through a fly swatter at higher magnifications.

I have a 6-24x56 FFP PSR scope at the shop that has the H37 in it, and the consensus is that its a terrible reticle when it comes to looking through the scope.

 

[Graham]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: onlyfineknives</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...if it were only for elevation, I wouldn't even be considering the Horus. My main question is speed with a combination of elevation and wind holds. The wind holds get somewhat dicey with the Gen 2 XR especially in the inbetween areas where there aren't any windage markings.</div></div>What difference does it make to the reticle type whether a miss is in the vertical or the horizontal plane? Most misses have an element of both windage and elevation. How big are the targets are that you are trying to hit?

 

[popeye089]

Re: Premier 3-15 with Horus H37

really would love a pic of the H37 at 15 or 16 power. I've seen them at 22 and 25 but want to see it if anybody can lend a hand to us all
thanks