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The pickings for red dots to go on a subcompact EDC are slim. Whether it be a Hellcat OSP, glock 43, SHIELD...all have optics cuts for the rmsc footprint. The problem no quality red dots exist for it. Yes you could use adapter plates for the Trijicon RMRcc or Deltapoint pro, but it is stupid. The pistol and sights are set up for the micro red dot to sit low so you do not need giant suppressor height sights. I know there are sights like the Riton, Swampfox Sentinel, Shield RMSc... but none are ones I would bet my life on. When will a quality micro red dot sight come out that is on par with the RMR or Deltapoint Pro?
 

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Not sure I would call the DPP duty ready also (designed for competition), so depends on your needs. FWIW I have been entirely happy with EDCing two JPoints (also: UK made?) for a couple years. They are Docter footprint and size I believe, so you can get the German made (?) Docter sights... sometimes. Importing is hit and miss.

(I ended up with these partly for my terrible eyes. For me, they look more or less like dots. Not all other sights do well for me, but I am weird).

The "V2" of the Shield RMSc/SMSc (IIRC) seems to be the most reliable of the cheap ones, and also I think same footprint.

On my Kahr, showing it stick out... a little. You cannot at all tell this is happening when carrying, charging, or shooting it.
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Mepro (Israeli made) also makes a micro (not sure of mounting though, only seen on something weird).

I know a few who run Vortex, but I am sure that's also People's Factory #17, but they do seem to work for competition, etc. at least. Same with whatever the tiny SIGs come with, and... what comes with the Springfield Hellcat if you buy it as a kit.

ANd... lots seem happy with the equivalent in Holosun so what do I know?
 
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I’ve had no issues to date with my RMSc on a 365xl. I’ve had it about 6 months and 300 shots so far.
 
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You mean like the Trijicon RMRcc ?
Just noticed it on their website and I don’t know anything about it yet. Looks to be smaller for concealed carry.
 
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Oh, good call. Forgot about that.

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NO idea if as reliable but likely so, or will become so with a second generation or aftermarket tiny bits etc as the originals were.

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ALSO: I proved that I'd be okay with carrying the Kahr with an RDS by getting one of those cheap rear sight dovetail mounts first. Carried that for 6+ months, and it was so ugly and clunky, like 1/3rd taller than my cut-in one. And zero problems. Not in the way. So ponder that it may not be a problem to put a big sight on your little gun.

You could likely prove this for a tiny outlay if you wanted to. Get one of the $35 ebay RMR clones. It'll break in a week and they have about 11 minutes battery life, but it is a physical object the same size, with a dot. I have one on my SIRT, and it works for that, at least.
 
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Jpoint I believe are just rebranded Shields. The Shields are nice, but for the price of a trijicon, I would want Trijicon quality. As for the DPP toughness, check out the torture tests by Sage Dynamics, only 2 sights passes. Trijicon RMR and Leupold DPP.
 

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The issue is size.
small red dots allow you to used the stock sights, they even have a channel in the sight to use stock sights

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The problem with the RMRcc is the size of the sight and the height of the mounting plate, you need hugh suppressor sights and they do not make them that tall. They decided to use their propriety mounting system instead of the industry standard SMS system.

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i got more then 1200 rounds in 5 months and it's been knocked around to all hell on the stock smsC. plenty of racking the slide off the truck bumper and i left it in the truck bed holstered quite a lot. roads suck here in central wyoming.

refresh rate on the emitter isn't great, and auto adjust brightness isn't either. but i can't say it's a bad optic. compared to an rmrcc it neither here not there. not a fan of either.

truthfully tho, i'm off of dots on micro guns. on a square range they work great. but it's not always intuitive to pick the dot up running transitions shot to shot. the snappy recoil gets you out of the eyebox easily. and i can't say i shoot them any faster or accurate inside of legal shot distances ie 5 yards. back to irons for next

to me micro9 are modern day snubbies. big front night sight. good hollow point, and SD shots beyond 7 or 8 yards don't seem likely.

whereas on a g19 i'm a huge fan of an rmr.

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i got more then 1200 rounds in 5 months and it's been knocked around to all hell on the stock smsC. plenty of racking the slide off the truck bumper and i left it in the truck bed holstered quite a lot. roads suck here in central wyoming.

refresh rate on the emitter isn't great, and auto adjust brightness isn't either. but i can't say it's a bad optic. compared to an rmrcc it neither here not there. not a fan of either.

truthfully tho, i'm off of dots on micro guns. on a square range they work great. but it's not always intuitive to pick the dot up running transitions shot to shot. the snappy recoil gets you out of the eyebox easily. and i can't say i shoot them any faster or accurate inside of legal shot distances ie 5 yards. back to irons for next

to me micro9 are modern day snubbies. big front night sight. good hollow point, and SD shots beyond 7 or 8 yards don't seem likely.

whereas on a g19 i'm a huge fan of an rmr.

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Great points, the issue is my eyes, I can no longer use iron sights effectively. A red dot is ok. Far vision is ok, but close up I can not see much. I have readers +3.5. With the readers I can see the sights but not the target. Without them the gun is a blur. A red dot allows me to aim.
 

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understood completely. best to be armed with what works best for you.

while i don't think the shield is absolutely bombproof i don't think it's junk either. i had mine for 150$ with no takers a while back and i think for that price you can put one through the paces and find out what it's strength and weaknesses are
 

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I’d just like to add some info here, in the last 2 years I’ve had the opportunity too shoot and carry a variety of micro 9 pistols with red dots. I have found that the Sig Romeo 0 has had stellar battery life but the lenses scratch very easily. I currently am awaiting a replacement as the current Romeo 0 was unusable do too the scratches. I’ve had a couple of Holosuns but nothing I felt worth keeping around. I just recently picked up a Riton 3 Tactix. So far after 1,100 rounds it’s preformed great, no zero issues, size appropriate and is easy to adjust compared to other models. Im not sold on red dots for micro pistols but so far, the Riton has pulled ahead of the pack in my opinion compared to the others I’ve used and mentioned.
 

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The Holosun SCS is possibly going to be the best option- it's only in Glock MOS footprint now, but they've stated they're making them in several footprints to specifically negate the need for plates of any kind.

 
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Jpoint I believe are just rebranded Shields...
Well... Shield UK is the maker (openly, listed on the JP site) but we didn't used to get the Shields in the US, and they make a lot of models. While the same footprint, really not sure what other differences there are among the models, and other branded versions made under contract.
 

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    I fully expect to catch shit for this comment, but so be it. Until Trijicon releases a RMRcc 2.0 with the correct footprint, I'm running a Holosun 407K.

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    If anyone from Trijicon is paying attention, I'd gladly pay 2x the street price of the 407 for the same footprint and features in an American sight.
     

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    Loved the footprint of the shield on my daily carry G19 and the low profile mount they have for it. However, did not like how easily the lens scratched up over an 18 month period, and the fact that it utterly crapped out on me one day. Sample size of one, but I won’t be purchasing any more.
     

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    I still wouldn't call it point shooting. Even without the sights visible through the window, the sight ring/tube is usable as an aiming reference. Forget who now, but someone did some semi-legit trials of this. Not terrific, but better than unsighted accuracy with RDS mounted but off.

    So, aim as though normal, center the target in the window and it should work to... 10 yards?
     

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    I still wouldn't call it point shooting. Even without the sights visible through the window, the sight ring/tube is usable as an aiming reference. Forget who now, but someone did some semi-legit trials of this. Not terrific, but better than unsighted accuracy with RDS mounted but off.

    So, aim as though normal, center the target in the window and it should work to... 10 yards?

    At bad-breath distances, the window works fine as a big ghost ring.

    It's generally not difficult to get iron sights to co-witness with a MRD, and IMO this is mandatory for carry guns. Other people who are more knowledgeable and skilled than I have different opinions.
     
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    Point shooting is shooting without reference to sights. Just remove all sights completely, now you point shooting.
    Point shooting is no faster than shooting with reference to sights, which is helluva lot more accurate. When every down range round
    needs to be legally accountable, unless you are at contact range with an assailant, it's nonsense to not use the sights.

     
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    Fact is, putting your target in the middle of the window and guessing it's okay doesn't work very well at all. I think it's a lot harder than shooting a pistol with no sights, at least that way there a visual clues, whether you realize you're getting them or not, that you're muzzle high, low, left, right. The dot has built in tunnel vision.
    "Center of the glass" doesn't work well at all past real close. I've experienced that even with a shotgun, all be it a tight choked one. "Heck, how far can it be off?" As it turned out, a whole hell of a lot.

    I used the term point shooting rather than saying shoot through the sight without the dot on, because I thought it would be faster and simple enough for people to understand without a long explanation. But here we are.
     
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    I have a family member that is a big pistol shooter, his thoughts on it were to shoot by pointing your thumbs inside 10 yards. But he's a huge proponent of red dots on service pistols and also uses 507k. I'd be inclined to train that way over using the window as a ghost ring.
     

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    Shield Sights invented the micro red dot (not mini, but micro). They're a British company making their optics in Britain, and their "Glass Edition" is what you want.

    You want to avoid Holoson- they're a CCP funded and controlled Chinese company called Huanic.
     
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    Fact is, putting your target in the middle of the window and guessing it's okay doesn't work very well at all.

    It doesn't work well at all if your index sucks. Inside of 10 yards, it works very well indeed if your grip and index are consistent.
     
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    LOLWUT?

    I have had RMRs continuously on, 24/7, and the battery was still going strong after 3 years. I run mine in auto brightness mode, so it conserves power when sitting in a drawer, or in the car's glovebox, or under my clothes.
    Sweet! That was just a general recommendation from Scott jedlinski, who probably uses his nearly daily.
    So for you change em no more frequent than every 3 years.
     

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    That was just a general recommendation from Scott jedlinski

    Ummm.....maybe that's a blanket recommendation to accomodate all brands.

    It's definitely overkill with Trijicon RMRs and SROs.

    What is the LED RMR battery life?​



    The RM01 and RM02 models are rated at two years typical use.

    As I mentioned, I leave my RMR in auto adjust mode so it self-dims ambient light is low so it conserves energy and has exceeded Trijicon's conservative recommendation by over a year. It could have gone longer but I decided to not take a chance.

    The RMR's auto-brightness is extremely responsive to ambient light changes. My satisfaction with it comes from testing in my house walking from dim rooms, to totally dark rooms, to lit rooms, and from looking out windows on bright days to back into the house. SROs are almost as responsive, but not quite there yet. Holosun's brightness auto-adjust is nearly useless, which is why they are not carry worthy for me.
     
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    Batteries are cheap. Replacement once per year - your birthday, or a holiday, or whatever date you wanna pick. If you miss a year with an RMR, you're probably fine.
     

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    Some gun designs being worse than others, for others. I struggle with "Austrian sky shooters". (which is what happens when you try to compete with them once a year lol)

    I agree. I've tried Glocks twice and twice I've decided they're not worth the trouble when there are easier to shoot alternatives that are as reliable and as easy to maintain.

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    Well... Shield UK is the maker (openly, listed on the JP site) but we didn't used to get the Shields in the US, and they make a lot of models. While the same footprint, really not sure what other differences there are among the models, and other branded versions made under contract.
    So can you mount the SCS on a Springfield XD-M with no adapter plate or is that coming in the future?
     

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    So can you mount the SCS on a Springfield XD-M with no adapter plate or is that coming in the future?
    No, Springfield has a website where you give them your serial number and can pick the adapter plate and they send it too you for free. They were going to include all 3 plates in all purchases but scrapped that. I know because I keep buying XDM elites as class loaner guns and have become very friendly with my rep.
     

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    So can you mount the SCS on a Springfield XD-M with no adapter plate or is that coming in the future?
    All sorts of problems are being reported with the intro of the new model holosun SCS... Keep in mind it has no battery and runs on solar only... The problem with that is most concealed pistols are not exposed to daylight because they're under a shirt or jacket, and neither are pistols inside gun safes and glove boxes. To assume it'll get enough light to power it properly is a big assumption.

    Probably the two most common problems with dot optics are 1) shake awake/motion activated, and 2) Solar, it's probably not a good idea to depend on an optic with no battery. There's a reason why none of the world's top SoF troops rely on either of those two gimmicks- too big a risk of failure when needed most.

    The two best micro optics right now are the Shield RMSc Glass Edition, and the Trijicon RMRcc.

    Also, it's totally unnecessary to have iron sights co-witnessed to the Dot, but it sells a lot of iron sights and tricks people into thinking they need a dot optic that sits super low on the slide. It was normal to have an adapter plate between an optic and slide, until marketing convinced people it was bad.
     

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    I ran a Burris Fastfire on my open gun in USPSA for years and never had a problem but I don’t know how well the newest generation( Fastfire III) is. I also have a Fastfire II on my 835 that I use for coyote hunting and I run 3” and 3.5” loads on it and it’s run 100%.
     

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    All sorts of problems are being reported with the intro of the new model holosun SCS... Keep in mind it has no battery and runs on solar only... The problem with that is most concealed pistols are not exposed to daylight because they're under a shirt or jacket, and neither are pistols inside gun safes and glove boxes. To assume it'll get enough light to power it properly is a big assumption.

    Probably the two most common problems with dot optics are 1) shake awake/motion activated, and 2) Solar, it's probably not a good idea to depend on an optic with no battery. There's a reason why none of the world's top SoF troops rely on either of those two gimmicks- too big a risk of failure when needed most.

    The two best micro optics right now are the Shield RMSc Glass Edition, and the Trijicon RMRcc.

    Also, it's totally unnecessary to have iron sights co-witnessed to the Dot, but it sells a lot of iron sights and tricks people into thinking they need a dot optic that sits super low on the slide. It was normal to have an adapter plate between an optic and slide, until marketing convinced people it was bad.
    Fuck China again eh?....What problems have been brought up ?

    So, It does have a battery. It's charged by solar. It has a claimed 50K hour life when charged. Even if it does half that, most guns will see 2 hours of light every 3 years which will keep it charged...It will also run on solar, rather than drain from the battery when there's enough light. But it absolutely has a battery and I think you know that ...

    I have multiple shake awake from HS and Sig, might they fail ? Sure, but I've had 2 RMRs and an SRS actually in real life shit the bed, rather than "probably" failing , so I'm taking that into account when people claim "X" brand is the tits.

    I don't care what SF/ Delta/ SAS/.MIL use,( Eotechs- that was pure win), I'm not battling in extreme conditions or fast roping out of anything in the dead of night, my carry gear nestles softly against my padded belly. I clatter my guns around to the range and in my trunk and I've had one HS 507 failure where the reticle wouldn't change from dot to circle. It still had a reticle and it was still 100% usable. It was replaced with newer model in about 10 days by HS, no questions.
    Personal experience> Internet "probably"s.
     
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    Fuck China again eh?....What problems have been brought up ?

    So, It does have a battery. It's charged by solar. It has a claimed 50K hour life when charged. Even if it does half that, most guns will see 2 hours of light every 3 years which will keep it charged...It will also run on solar, rather than drain from the battery when there's enough light. But it absolutely has a battery and I think you know that ...

    I have multiple shake awake from HS and Sig, might they fail ? Sure, but I've had 2 RMRs and an SRS actually in real life shit the bed, rather than "probably" failing , so I'm taking that into account when people claim "X" brand is the tits.

    I don't care what SF/ Delta/ SAS/.MIL use,( Eotechs- that was pure win), I'm not battling in extreme conditions or fast roping out of anything in the dead of night, my carry gear nestles softly against my padded belly. I clatter my guns around to the range and in my trunk and I've had one HS 507 failure where the reticle wouldn't change from dot to circle. It still had a reticle and it was still 100% usable. It was replaced with newer model in about 10 days by HS, no questions.
    Personal experience> Internet "probably"s.

    Anti-American, show me how you replace that internal Chinese battery if it fails! :ROFLMAO:

    Multiples of legitimate internet reports VS anecdotal individual reports by CCP fanboiz!

    China is fighting a non- shooting economic war against us and they have ICBMs pointed at us- what would it take for you to act like an American and not a democrat- China shooting at our troops?!
     

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    Right. Show me how I replace the internal circuits/diode on my 2 X RMR and SRS when they failed.....Or the DPP's. They were hardly user serviceable ...thats a stupid argument. I get it. You hate CCP and will make up whatever shit to support that.

    I have a shooting buddy like you. He tells me where to shove my Chicom optics every time we go shoot.
    His TV and computer are Chinese and he makes the same arguments about having no choice.
    I go to his house. He has 4 giant fuck off TVs and WiFi lighting everywhere. So basically he stands on principal unless it means he has to get off his arse and flick a light switch or miss his shows while he makes breakfast.

    If you actually, really stood by what you said, you'd forgo having a smart phone and computer and whatever other gadgets you have. But clearly your principals also just extend as far as comfort and convenience.

    I buy whatever I feel is the best option for me, regardless of C of Origin and I don't lie to myself about why.
     

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    The Holosun SCS is possibly going to be the best option- it's only in Glock MOS footprint now, but they've stated they're making them in several footprints to specifically negate the need for plates of any kind.



    Hey Xi, the very video you posted to promote a new untested CCP optic clearly says in big letters "No Battery Optic!". I'm sorry that I trusted YOUR posted video on the "non-replaceable internal battery" thingy! :ROFLMAO:


    The differences between you and I are numerous, but in the context of this thread there are two three primary:

    1) I'm a patriot who loves my constitutional republic and rightly hates China because they're our greatest external threat.

    2) I'm smart enough to know the consumer electronics/stolen industries argument you peddle is a much better reason to NOT buy CCP shooting gear than it is a justification- unless you don't actually care about the CCP stealing more industries... Oh wait, you already admitted you're fine with buying CCP chinesium.

    3) I'm not a cheapskate
     
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    Right. Show me how I replace the internal circuits/diode on my 2 X RMR and SRS when they failed.....Or the DPP's. They were hardly user serviceable ...thats a stupid argument. I get it. You hate CCP and will make up whatever shit to support that.

    I have a shooting buddy like you. He tells me where to shove my Chicom optics every time we go shoot.
    His TV and computer are Chinese and he makes the same arguments about having no choice.
    I go to his house. He has 4 giant fuck off TVs and WiFi lighting everywhere. So basically he stands on principal unless it means he has to get off his arse and flick a light switch or miss his shows while he makes breakfast.

    If you actually, really stood by what you said, you'd forgo having a smart phone and computer and whatever other gadgets you have. But clearly your principals also just extend as far as comfort and convenience.

    I buy whatever I feel is the best option for me, regardless of C of Origin and I don't lie to myself about why.
    I just saw you're from portlandistan... to the Ignore List you go, Xi... Fuckin' commie.
     
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    Hey Xi, the very video you posted to promote a new untested CCP optic clearly says in big letters "No Battery Optic!". I'm sorry that I trusted YOUR posted video on the non-replaceable internal battery thingy! :ROFLMAO:


    The differences between you and I are numerous, but in the context of this thread there are two primary:

    1) I'm a patriot who loves my constitutional republic and rightly hates China because they're our greatest external threat.

    2) I'm smart enough to know the consumer electronics/stolen industries argument you peddle is a much better reason to NOT buy CCP shooting gear than it is a justification- unless you don't actually care about the CCP stealing more industries... Oh wait, you already admitted you're fine with buying CCP chinesium.

    3) I'm not a cheapskate
    Straight from the user manual online. Almost everything solar has a battery for backup or power storage.
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    I just saw you're from portlandistan... to the Ignore List you go, Xi... Fuckin' commie.
    Oh no. My poor feelings …..
    I can’t take credit for creating that video, but the first 20 seconds explains everything about how it’s powered . If you choose to remain willfully ignorant, well, never mind, I actually don’t care….
    Oh wait, I’m on Ignore…..
     
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    I just saw you're from portlandistan... to the Ignore List you go, Xi... Fuckin' commie.
    How many years do you have deployed in a combat zone?

    Just asking because I know alot of people in the PDX area with YEARS deployed getting shot at , blown up and poisoned.

    If they are all commies I just want to know how you stack up to their commitment to this country.

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    As much as I hate having Chinese anything on my guns the Holosun 407k is a killer little dot.
    Holosun is actually a CCP funded and controlled company called Huanic, and you're a traitor for promoting HS.

    On top of that, you're a cheapskate and a fool for buying into the myth that HS is anything more than chinesium overpriced airsoft kit. The YTuber who made HS seem like decent product did/does so because HS gives free optics to channels that promote HS. Other YTubers followed on after they also received free HS optics. That HS is promoted as acceptable to American shooters is one of the biggest fails for the gun community.

    With China having nuclear missiles pointed at us and them waging an economic war against us using slave labor, a manipulated chinese dollar, stolen designs and stolen tech, forced human organ harvesting, the intentional release of the Wuhan viruses, you'd think there'd be fewer residents of America willing to support them.

    China has already stolen many of our industries, like consumer electronics and smart phones, and that's a much better reason to NOT buy CCP shooting products than it is a justification for buying.
     
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    As much as I hate having Chinese anything on my guns the Holosun 407k is a killer little dot.

    I simply like the fact that it fits the factory cut on a G43X/G48 MOS with a minimum of hassle. I'd much prefer the RMRcc, except the proprietary footprint makes it a no-go into I happen across a slide with the proper cut.
     
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    Holosun is actually a CCP funded and controlled company called Huanic, and you're a traitor for promoting HS.

    On top of that, you're a cheapskate and a fool for buying into the myth that HS is anything more than chinesium overpriced airsoft kit. The YTuber who made HS seem like decent product did/does so because they give free optics to channels that promote HS. Other YTubers followed on after they also received free HS optics. That HS is promoted as acceptable to American shooters is one of the biggest fails for the gun community.

    With China having nuclear missiles pointed at us and them waging an economic war against us using slave labor, a manipulated chinese dollar, stolen designs and stolen tech, forced human organ harvesting, the intentional release of the Wuhan viruses, you'd think there'd be fewer residents of America willing to support them.

    China has already stolen many of our industries, like consumer electronics and smart phones, and that's a much better reason to NOT buy CCP shooting products than it is a justification for buying.
    Thanks I’ll keep buying the best tool/optic for the intended purpose. I hope Trijicon get their shit together.
    Holosun is actually a CCP funded and controlled company called Huanic, and you're a traitor for promoting HS.

    On top of that, you're a cheapskate and a fool for buying into the myth that HS is anything more than chinesium overpriced airsoft kit. The YTuber who made HS seem like decent product did/does so because they give free optics to channels that promote HS. Other YTubers followed on after they also received free HS optics. That HS is promoted as acceptable to American shooters is one of the biggest fails for the gun community.

    With China having nuclear missiles pointed at us and them waging an economic war against us using slave labor, a manipulated chinese dollar, stolen designs and stolen tech, forced human organ harvesting, the intentional release of the Wuhan viruses, you'd think there'd be fewer residents of America willing to support them.

    China has already stolen many of our industries, like consumer electronics and smart phones, and that's a much better reason to NOT buy CCP shooting products than it is a justification for buying.

    Ok cool so I’m sure you typed this from you an entirely domestically sourced and assembled PC, laptop or smartphone.

    We’re all well aware how shitty China is. US manufacturers like Trijicon aren’t delivering what we need right now. My hope is long term they will catch up and I go get good compact US made mini dot.
     

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    I wish trijicon or another company had comparable optics to holosun but unfortunately they don’t, at least yet….. I’m running 2 510c one is in a 9mm SBR, and I’m running 2 holosun on pistols, don’t remember the model numbers but one is the normal size sitting on a xdm and the other is the micro size sitting on my hellcat. I also run 2 delta point pros on a Glock and a fn509.

    I honestly really like the holosun. Like the controls better than the delta points and I have had zero issues with the holosuns but have had to send one of my DPP’s back dude to the battery connector failure. I have way more rounds down range with the holosuns than the DPP. Could be a fluke but just my experience.
     

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    Thanks I’ll keep buying the best tool/optic for the intended purpose. I hope Trijicon get their shit together.


    Ok cool so I’m sure you typed this from you an entirely domestically sourced and assembled PC, laptop or smartphone.

    We’re all well aware how shitty China is. US manufacturers like Trijicon aren’t delivering what we need right now. My hope is long term they will catch up and I go get good compact US made mini dot.
    As much as I dislike Milfdots rambles, he is right about this.

    You do not have a choice for a domestically produced PC, laptop or Smartphone. They do not exist.

    You do have a choice in buying a quality Western product vs a Chinese optic that directly funds the chinese military and their weapons R&D.

    Aimpoint makes the best red dot sights Period. Eotech is a little less durable but a little faster for CQB.

    Trijicon makes the best Mini red dot sights Period.

    Buying anything else is fucking retarded.


    When you or your kids or grandkids are getting slaughered by chinese weapon systems , They can look back and know you are to blame for funding the enemy when you have better choices.