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kenzup

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Hey everybody,

I am in the market for a new range finder. I am looking trying to figure out what I should do. I am trying to find the one size fits all but don't know if it exists.

Requirements:
Needs to connect with kestrel 5700 ABS with Link and will be using it with the HUD
Needs to be able to range a deer at least to 1000 yards
Preferred to be able to fit in my Kuiu rangefinder sleeve
The lighter the better

Uses:
Backpack hunting out west (NM) everything from coyotes to elk
PRS to verify distances

My thoughts
I really like the terrapin x but don't know if its worth the money
Sig's 2400BDX seems to fit the mold but needs an adapter to attach to a tripod (Do all the BDX series connect to the kestrel?)
The 2400ABS seems like over kill considering I already have ABS on the Kestrel and my phone but maybe I am missing something.
Sig 3000BDX would cut down a piece of equipment I need to carry and the need to go back and forth from binos to rangefinder
I also like the idea of the BDX scopes for hunting but have no experience with them
Bushnell is larger and can connect easy to tripod but the glass is only ok and I have had some issues with them

Let me know what you guys think and what you your experiences are. Thanks for the help.
 
leopold 2800 will reach much further than 2k and cost just over 499. online cheaper if found on sale and a few youtube video's with them being used past 2880 yards just an option .
 
Does the Leo link up with the Kestrel?
No, for that I suggest the Leica 2800.com
The menu of the CRF has been extended to include a Bluetooth menu (BT) with new settings:
• APP (Connection to a smartphone)
• LAT (Latitude, Connection to a Kestrel Elite Wind meter)
• OFF (Bluetooth off)

Combining the best ranging capability, Applied Ballistics through a Kestrel wind meter, ease of use, Bluetooth technology and compact design, no other compact range finding solution comes close.
 
Another vote for the 2800.com
Excellent optically
Great ergonomics
Internal compass to give you correct DOF
BT connection to Kestrel 5700 fast, strong and consistent
AB solution displays in RF ocular as well as on your 5700 elite
Beam divergence 0.5x1.25
Ranges over 2K easily
 
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Kenzup,

If you want Kestrel connection, that narrows your choices dramatically. Considering the distances etc. that you are talking about, you are basically talking about the a Vec x, Leica 2800.com, a Sig 2400 BDX (not ABS, it does not connect, but has AB Elite onboard), and a Sig 3000 BDX. I will not go over the Vec x, I have only played with it briefly and does not fit my use profile for a few reasons but I fully admit I am not an expert on it. One thing you mention, about it fitting in your RF sleeve, I don't think it's that size/shape, so I'll move on past it.

The others, I have all of these RF's. I have a fairly long review on the 2400 BDX on this board you could read up on to give you an idea of what it and the BDX system offers. I also have a shorter review on the 2800 up (it was a prototype device, so not a review of the production model that I have now). I will be getting something up on the 3000 BDX just as soon as I can finish the review on the BDX scope we are testing.

Short version on all of this is they all have their strengths and weaknesses. The 3k is in many ways in it's own class because its running out of a bino....that not only changes it's utility and workflow, but it allows better ranging due to larger receptors etc. Of these three, it's been the champ for sure for me when it comes to ranging, as you would expect it to be. That said, we are talking distances farther than most people would ever shoot, though not all people....(the ELR guys for example). I'd say that if you want to consider the 3k, then it sorta stands on it 's own because it is a bino, not a CRF...giving it some unique characteristics. In reality, for it's workflow, you would want to compare it to other bino RF's. But then none of those connect to a Kestrel (or Foretrex as Sig devices will also do), the alpha models glass will be distinctly superior, and others in it's price range won't offer BDX capabilities if that matters to you.

If you are looking at the two CRF's...the 2800 and the 2400 BDX...the Leica has the glass, no doubt. The sensor positioning in relation to the reticle is also more precise than it is in the Sig and the divergence is smaller than it is on the 2400 (but not verses the 3k). So I generally find it is easier for me to get my targets with the 2800 vs the 2400, and on some targets, I think the 2800 has a little more reach than the 2400, especially in full sun (again, the 3k is a different story). And the Leica has the added benefit of an onboard compass (for automatically communicating DOF to the Kestrel), as well as integrated environmentals for standalone use (the Sig has to source these from a mobile phone either live or preloaded). Consequently, the Leica also has a significantly higher price tag to consider.

In the Sig 2400's corner, the price is much lower. The RF itself is much faster on re-ranging, the connection to the Kestrel on wakeup is much, much faster, it will also connect to the Foretrex, and the BDX integration to the scope is no gimmick. We have used it hunting and just did a precision rifle class with it to test it's utility. It's a very fast system in terms of workflow.

Both devices tend to have their quirks in terms of connectivity. You need to have the devices close together. But when they are close, now and then you will still have to re-range with all of them, and with the Sig and it's instant re-ranging, don't overrun the connection speed....but it works pretty well.

Some more of your questions:



Sig's 2400BDX seems to fit the mold but needs an adapter to attach to a tripod - correct, the 3k does have a integrated socket however

Do all the BDX series connect to the kestrel? No, only the 2400 BDX and the 3kBDX

The 2400ABS seems like over kill considering I already have ABS on the Kestrel and my phone but maybe I am missing something - No connection to anything other than a phone here, but does not really need it. AB Elite is integrated, with an integrated compass. Wind is a bit fiddly, temp drift is a reality, some only care if you are doing ELR, others don't care at all, others still, do care. If you care, the Kestrel is the best device for dealing with temp drift to my knowlege (not sure how well the temp probe on the Foretrex works).

Sig 3000BDX would cut down a piece of equipment I need to carry and the need to go back and forth from binos to rangefinder - Yes, very efficient workflow, especially if you are using a BDX scope. However, this is not Alpha glass, as the price point should indicate.
Probably more like Viper. Sig places it at Zulu 5 level, check out Robbie Denning's review of the Zulu 5's for another opinion.

I also like the idea of the BDX scopes for hunting but have no experience with them - As mentioned, we have a 4.5-14. Am currently reviewing it. So far, pretty impressive. It has limited elevation, so that is an issue for some people, but as a hunting scope for most people, it's a non issue. On my son's 270, the dots were sufficient to about 1k yards with a 100 yard zero. Glass and coatings are decent, but not top drawer. About the same or a little better than a Zeiss HD5 in our opinion so far. Tracking for us has been spot on when using it manually, but you don't get very far.

Hope that helps a bit, there is a lot more to say and consider here...these three new devices are really feature packed and quite different from each other, so please let me know if you have any other questions as, I have tried to summarize, but probably only scratched the surface. Feel free to PM me if you want to hop on the phone if that is more efficient.
 
Kenzup,

If you want Kestrel connection, that narrows your choices dramatically. Considering the distances etc. that you are talking about, you are basically talking about the a Vec x, Leica 2800.com, a Sig 2400 BDX (not ABS, it does not connect, but has AB Elite onboard), and a Sig 3000 BDX. I will not go over the Vec x, I have only played with it briefly and does not fit my use profile for a few reasons but I fully admit I am not an expert on it. One thing you mention, about it fitting in your RF sleeve, I don't think it's that size/shape, so I'll move on past it.

The others, I have all of these RF's. I have a fairly long review on the 2400 BDX on this board you could read up on to give you an idea of what it and the BDX system offers. I also have a shorter review on the 2800 up (it was a prototype device, so not a review of the production model that I have now). I will be getting something up on the 3000 BDX just as soon as I can finish the review on the BDX scope we are testing.

Short version on all of this is they all have their strengths and weaknesses. The 3k is in many ways in it's own class because its running out of a bino....that not only changes it's utility and workflow, but it allows better ranging due to larger receptors etc. Of these three, it's been the champ for sure for me when it comes to ranging, as you would expect it to be. That said, we are talking distances farther than most people would ever shoot, though not all people....(the ELR guys for example). I'd say that if you want to consider the 3k, then it sorta stands on it 's own because it is a bino, not a CRF...giving it some unique characteristics. In reality, for it's workflow, you would want to compare it to other bino RF's. But then none of those connect to a Kestrel (or Foretrex as Sig devices will also do), the alpha models glass will be distinctly superior, and others in it's price range won't offer BDX capabilities if that matters to you.

If you are looking at the two CRF's...the 2800 and the 2400 BDX...the Leica has the glass, no doubt. The sensor positioning in relation to the reticle is also more precise than it is in the Sig and the divergence is smaller than it is on the 2400 (but not verses the 3k). So I generally find it is easier for me to get my targets with the 2800 vs the 2400, and on some targets, I think the 2800 has a little more reach than the 2400, especially in full sun (again, the 3k is a different story). And the Leica has the added benefit of an onboard compass (for automatically communicating DOF to the Kestrel), as well as integrated environmentals for standalone use (the Sig has to source these from a mobile phone either live or preloaded). Consequently, the Leica also has a significantly higher price tag to consider.

In the Sig 2400's corner, the price is much lower. The RF itself is much faster on re-ranging, the connection to the Kestrel on wakeup is much, much faster, it will also connect to the Foretrex, and the BDX integration to the scope is no gimmick. We have used it hunting and just did a precision rifle class with it to test it's utility. It's a very fast system in terms of workflow.

Both devices tend to have their quirks in terms of connectivity. You need to have the devices close together. But when they are close, now and then you will still have to re-range with all of them, and with the Sig and it's instant re-ranging, don't overrun the connection speed....but it works pretty well.

Some more of your questions:



Sig's 2400BDX seems to fit the mold but needs an adapter to attach to a tripod - correct, the 3k does have a integrated socket however

Do all the BDX series connect to the kestrel? No, only the 2400 BDX and the 3kBDX

The 2400ABS seems like over kill considering I already have ABS on the Kestrel and my phone but maybe I am missing something - No connection to anything other than a phone here, but does not really need it. AB Elite is integrated, with an integrated compass. Wind is a bit fiddly, temp drift is a reality, some only care if you are doing ELR, others don't care at all, others still, do care. If you care, the Kestrel is the best device for dealing with temp drift to my knowlege (not sure how well the temp probe on the Foretrex works).

Sig 3000BDX would cut down a piece of equipment I need to carry and the need to go back and forth from binos to rangefinder - Yes, very efficient workflow, especially if you are using a BDX scope. However, this is not Alpha glass, as the price point should indicate.
Probably more like Viper. Sig places it at Zulu 5 level, check out Robbie Denning's review of the Zulu 5's for another opinion.

I also like the idea of the BDX scopes for hunting but have no experience with them - As mentioned, we have a 4.5-14. Am currently reviewing it. So far, pretty impressive. It has limited elevation, so that is an issue for some people, but as a hunting scope for most people, it's a non issue. On my son's 270, the dots were sufficient to about 1k yards with a 100 yard zero. Glass and coatings are decent, but not top drawer. About the same or a little better than a Zeiss HD5 in our opinion so far. Tracking for us has been spot on when using it manually, but you don't get very far.

Hope that helps a bit, there is a lot more to say and consider here...these three new devices are really feature packed and quite different from each other, so please let me know if you have any other questions as, I have tried to summarize, but probably only scratched the surface. Feel free to PM me if you want to hop on the phone if that is more efficient.

Thank you so much for the info. That is by far one of the most well put together replies I have ever gotten on here. I may take you up on the PM. I just need to do a little more reading first. Though you may have me leaning toward the 3KBDX. Really the only downside is the glass but it it is comparable to viper its definitely not terrible.
 
What I don't understand, is why all of the BDX line can't connect to the Kestrel 5700 Link. A cell phone with apps connect; why the lock on the lower tier range units when the capability is there?

I don't need to range deer out to 1200; steel to 1200, I don't hunt, and the range being fed via Bluetooth into the 5700 would be premier for me.

Seems like the only way to get away with not manually entering the range into the 5700 Link, is spending 600+ on a range finder.
 
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What I don't understand, is why all of the BDX line can't connect to the Kestrel 5700 Link. A cell phone with apps connect; why the lock on the lower tier range units when the capability is there?

I don't need to range deer out to 1200; steel to 1200, I don't hunt, and the range being fed via Bluetooth into the 5700 would be premier for me.

Seems like the only way to get away with not manually entering the range into the 5700 Link, is spending 600+ on a range finder.

I'd assume it has to do with licensing fees to AB and/or NK to get the connectivity functions.
 
What I don't understand, is why all of the BDX line can't connect to the Kestrel 5700 Link. A cell phone with apps connect; why the lock on the lower tier range units when the capability is there?

I don't need to range deer out to 1200; steel to 1200, I don't hunt, and the range being fed via Bluetooth into the 5700 would be premier for me.

Seems like the only way to get away with not manually entering the range into the 5700 Link, is spending 600+ on a range finder.
Beyond licensing fees. I can tell you though a deer is a less reflective target to range. My Sig 3000's that should be able to range a deer out to 2000 yards hitting a 1 MOA target and getting accurate ranging isn't that easy. If you are using a tripod it helps. I don't think range finders like the sig 2400/3000 or the new vortex rangers are over kill by any means. If you are looking to even check ranges out to 1000 yards. I think for myself rangefinders like the terrapin-x are a little over kill. I hunt and shoot competitively. The nice thing about having a 5000 yard range is if I am on an animal. I know how far I need to go to get into range. This helps me plan my stalk. I was ranging rock faces out to 3800 yards easily with my Sig 3000's.

That being said putting more into same size package cost more money to produce. If I owned a company, I would also put those features in my higher end products to make my margins work. I should also understand the main population that is going to want that feature. In this case the competitive long range shooting community. Think about it you spending $700 on a Kestrel, $1000-$1500 on a range finder and if you go all in $400 on a Kestrel HUD. Your about at the price of a really good scope. Though this makes a killer targeting package. You also pay for what you get. Just my two cents.
 
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Another vote for the 2800.com
Excellent optically
Great ergonomics
Internal compass to give you correct DOF
BT connection to Kestrel 5700 fast, strong and consistent
AB solution displays in RF ocular as well as on your 5700 elite
Beam divergence 0.5x1.25
Ranges over 2K easily

Since the Leica 2800.com has an internal compass I assume the compass needs to be calibrated for accurate DOF

Thanks for any response
 
There is no capacity for calibration for the compass on the 2800. I can test it and see how it reads versus the Kestrel and see if it's accurate or accurate enough at some point, just gotta get some other testing done first, but I'll add that to the list.
 
There is no capacity for calibration for the compass on the 2800. I can test it and see how it reads versus the Kestrel and see if it's accurate or accurate enough at some point, just gotta get some other testing done first, but I'll add that to the list.
In my experience using the 2800 and 5700 together the DOF is changed appropriately. I have compared it to the 5700 compass readings and it is consistent with the Kestrel. Correct no calibration ability, so perhaps not perfect but certainly more than adequate to assist me in wind interpretation.