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Hello everybody!

We've decided to make a thread devoted to our carbon fiber stocks to present them to you and to tell more about us and our work. This thread will also cover some of our ideas implemented into the stocks, carbon finishes, general questions - and hope that this thread will be a place of discussion and pics from our customers in USA and Canada as well.

WHO WE ARE.
We are company Raven Euro from Bulgaria. Our factory is located in Burgas and we are making carbon fiber stocks for more than 10 years. We are well-known in Europe, as our main focus was making the stocks for Blaser R8 and R93 straight-pull rifles, as they are very popular in Europe. We have our own metalwork manufacture, our own R&D and design divisions and can handle OEM manufacture of any kind of stock designs for any action.
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OUR TECHNOLOGY
We use highly advanced aerospace grade technology, utilizing prepregs and high heat and pressure processes when producing our stocks, allowing for the most stable and repeatable result. These technologies and materials are top of the line and currently are the best available on the market. The difference between prepregs and "usual" carbon fiber is the following - in simple, carbon cloth is placed into the mold, then the worker applies the epoxy resin, then another layer of material, then epoxy again, then wait for the whole composition to cure.
In this case the following can happen - the epoxy resin simply doesn't fill the material and this causes air bubbles to appear inside and work as stress concentrators. In this case the structure might be prone to twist, flex or damage as the whole structure won't be rigid. Dry zones are also a problem of hand layup.
Prepreg is the common term for a fabric which has been pre-impregnated with a resin system. This resin system already includes the proper curing agent and because of that the prepreg is ready to lay into the mold without the addition of any more resin. In order for the laminate to cure, it is necessary to use a combination of pressure and heat. Prepregs have the edge over hand layup and their main advantages are part uniformity and repeatability, as well as maximum strength properties because of the optimal fill with epoxy resin.
This sounds great - but the disadvantages are the price, which is higher if compared with "traditional" manufacture - and the nessesary equipment for high heat, pressure - and sustaining this heat and pressure for the cure to be laminated. We worked with all possible technologies and decided to go with prepregs.

OUR MODELS
As mentioned, we are from Bulgaria, EU. In Europe Blaser rifles are the most known and liked by hunters because of their multi-caliber system and because it's a straight-pull rifle. Because of it we make the stocks for Blaser models R8 and R93.
Still, we recently developed a new model of stock for Tikka T3x rifle. This bolt-action from Finland is also a popular rifle in EU, the action is used as a hunting rifle and as a base for a custom long range rifle build as well - and we decided to make a new model of stock for Tikka T3x. It is a lightweight, no flex, no twist hardcore monocoque stock that is rigid and stiff for use with any barrels. And another main advantage is that barrel channel and the trigger guard surfaces are formed, not milled afterwards, making the structure of the stock extremely rigid.
We also have an idea of adjusting the MT30 stock design to work with Remington 700 footprint and are already working on it.
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THE WEIGHT
This is a rather interesting moment here. We know that it's possible to make a very light stock - but will it be rigid and stiff enought to take a beating? Will it be able to withstand the recoil of some Magnum caliber? Will it break if a rifle fell down on a rock? Will the barrel be in place if a massive suppressor or a muzzle brake is attached, or will it "whip" and hit the contour or the stock while shooting? Of course we can make the stock paper thin, but in this case it can be prone to damage of any kind. Our stocks follow the different philosophy of design - they have good weight-to-strength ratio and we try to make them light yet durable to work anywhere and no matter of weather. Heat, snow, mountains or desert - we make them work everywhere with same perfect performance, as you deserve the best.
Let's take our MT30 for Tikka T3x as an example. Base weight of empty stock is 21oz. - and we mean empty. Add a PillarBlock system, ARV butt-plate adjustable mechanism, ARCA rail adapter and a Picatinny rail adapter - and you get the weight of around 29 oz. Is it too much for a stock? You decide.

PILLARBLOCK SYSTEM
In Europe people really like the stocks to be "user friendly" for home swapping from factory stocks. MT30 stock for Tikka has two main modifications - with pillars installed and suitable for glass bedding for a perfect action fit by owner or a gunsmith - and with PillarBlock system, that doesn't require any gunsmith work, just "drop-and-torque" action installation. The blocks are made from 7075-T651 alloy on CNC machines and precise installed, making the action installation very simple.
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CARBON CAMO FINISH.
We know that lots of folks paint their stocks to make them unique and individual. We offer another kind of finish that we call Carbon Camo. This is a hand-laid type of finish, when small pieces of carbon are laid in a chaotic, camouflage-like pattern and the result is unique every time. Different sizes of carbon bits, different forms - and there are no two similar stocks in the end. We polish them to give a nice color play in the sun, but don't apply any laquer or any coating upon it to make the stock glossy or slippery.
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THE METALWORK.
Our factory is equipped with HAAS CNC machinery and we handle the metalwork in house. All adjustable mechanisms, all pillars and internal components, all adapters except Spartan Precision are made in house to keep us independent from any subcontractors or manufacture delays. Same CNC machines give us the freedom to experiment with new ideas of mechanisms and components to make our stocks better too. We use 7075 alloys for best results and hard anodizing.
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LEFT HAND AND RIGHT HAND
We usually don't make ambidextrous stocks. In Europe people prefer to have the same design in two different versions and we follow this way with releasing the same model in two different hands versions for best ergonomics. Right hand is released first, then we can "invert" the design and make the left hand version no problem. However, if an amidextrous design is required - we sure can do it.
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    price and availability in US?

    timeframe for R700/clone release?

    are these in any shooters hands over here?
     

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    Price for the Tikka model? ... With the pillar-block system?

    Availability?

    Also, is the Tikka recoil lug made of steel or aluminum?

    Looks very nice.
     
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    price and availability in US?

    timeframe for R700/clone release?

    are these in any shooters hands over here?

    We have a special promotion going on for our stocks right now. Delivery - no problems here.
    We are already working on making the same design in R700 SA & LA, estimated time 2.5-3 months.
    As for shooters - nobody has these stocks, we released them recently and haven't shipped any to USA.

    Price for the Tikka model? ... With the pillar-block system?

    Availability?

    Also, is the Tikka recoil lug made of steel or aluminum?

    Looks very nice.

    Same here - a special promotion in effect ;)
    We currently run a batch of stocks with standard Tikka contour, so you can grab it for sure.
    As for the recoil lug that comes included with PillarBlock system - it's titanium, Grade 5
     
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    Let's talk about MT30 stock.

    When we were designing it, we had an idea of making a nice and elegant hunting stock, a replacement part for factory Tikka T3x. We kept the design more traditional because we developed this stock for European market (as we are in a EU country and are well-known in Europe because of our Blaser stocks). That's why the first batch currently manufactured is compatible with factory barrels and factory trigger guard and magazines.

    However, we are finishing the second model of the stock. We plan to make two major chages in it:
    1. CTR trigger guard compability
    2. Carbon barrels contour available (Proof Research Tikka Pre-fit Sendero and similar)

    This will be done in a month maximum.

    Here are some technical details of MT30:
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    We also can add a variety of options and we've made up a schematic of them too, so here it is:
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    Butt-plate mechanisms are made in house, ARCA and Picatinny adapters too.

    As mentioned, we are already working on Rem-700 versions of the stock. Our plans are to make both SA and LA versions and use Badger M5 DBM inlet.
     
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    Very nice! Have you thought about including the option for QD cups on the MT30? That's one of the primary things that annoy me about my factory CTR stock.
     

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    Very nice! Have you thought about including the option for QD cups on the MT30? That's one of the primary things that annoy me about my factory CTR stock.
    We have the QD option on our Blaser models and we use 6.5mm Halder Push-and-Go - very nice sets, cups+swivels, steel made, made in Germany. Great quality, small, nice. We are thinking about making them as option for Tikka stock, but we don't know how will it be accepted in USA.
    The question is the size - even if we ship the stocks with current sets of smaller diameter including swivels will it be good for owners? Especially if they already have a QD sling with 9.5mm swivels.
    That's a thing to think over and discuss with our team.
     

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    How much for the Tikka stock with it done in the camo and the aluminum blocks? Would love to see a Tikka stock done in a thumbhole stock like you have pictured. Can you post a price sheet with and without the options?
     

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    How much for the Tikka stock with it done in the camo and the aluminum blocks? Would love to see a Tikka stock done in a thumbhole stock like you have pictured. Can you post a price sheet with and without the options?

    We currently have a special promotion with special pricing.
    As for the price list - we are working on it and I'll sure post it once it's made.

    A thumbhole...hmm...I'll pass this idea to our design team :)
     

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    You need to upgrade above, or we will have to remove this post

    Businesses must have a commercial sales account to advertise, this is advertising

    Is it? Okay, so if there won't be any pics of assembled stocks in this thread but only text information - will it be as well considered as advertising?
     

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    Really, you are gonna push back after members already reported this post for a rule violation.

    Just to clarify, there won't be any thread.

    I am giving you a break here; the rules are clear

    You received a welcome email, it states:

    Businesses wishing to participate on Sniper’s Hide must Upgrade to a Commercial Sales Account. All parties holding FFL Licenses must also purchase a commercial sales account to list items in the PX or advertise their products. Individual Gunsmiths, Assemblers, 3D Printers, etc all must-have commercial sales accounts, no exceptions. Sales are Sales, we are a small business too. This includes advertising or posting of new products.

    This it is fair for everyone, nobody has an advantage
     
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    Really, you are gonna push back after members already reported this post for a rule violation.

    Just to clarify, there won't be any thread.

    I am giving you a break here; the rules are clear

    You received a welcome email, it states:



    This it is fair for everyone, nobody has an advantage
    Understood. Thank you for clarification.

    Will it be possible to lock this thread to avoid any further postings here, or should it be removed completely until account upgrade and opened once again - or there might be some sort of a "freeze"?

    Just trying to figure out the best way to do everything correct and without any violation.
     

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    Hello everybody, all issues have been solved - and let's continue, shall we?

    Will you make this stock with adjustable comb?
    Yes! We are already making this design with an adjustable comb feature - and this modell will be able to hold the bigger barrels, up to 30mm - so there won't be a problem with any carbon fiber barrels for a precision/LR build.
    We'll use CTR footprint too, so the idea of the stock will be a replacement part for your Tikka T3x CTR to loose the weight, gain the rigidity - and use any custom barrel and aftermarket parts for a custom build.
    ETA - beginning of 2023
     
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    Received another feedback.
    Our customer got a PillarBlock stock for his Tikka and switched from factory plastic.
    Test shots to check the assembly - and 0.32 MOA no problem.
    100 meters, Hornady A-Max, hand loaded, .308 Win.
    Group - 9.48mm, height difference was 2.96mm

    He is very satisfied.

    Also nex shooter - completely unexperienced child - got a 25mm group without any recoil issues, and this was his first time he ever shot a rifle.

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    I have a question

    Is it possible to create a stock like you have, which they look very nice, to have a flat bottom in the fore end ?

    So hear me out because I think there is an opportunity here. Competition has taught us that flat bottoms work better. We have the Arca Rails, etc, using bags the way we do, along with tripods. We create all sorts of clamps and devices to attach the the stock to a stabilizing device like a tripod. And clamping a round stock sucks, it moves all over.

    In this hunting, carry stock world, everything is still rounded, why not flatten the bottom of the stock to adapt better to our surroundings and current methods of shooting and be one of the first to put them into a design.

    I would totally embrace a company that says, Hey look, we see this and are nimble enough to read the writing on the wall, and adapt. I get tooling and molds, but really it's future proofing.

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    it opens the door for new attachments and products too, the hunting world is changing, albeit very slowly, but we see a lot more competitive shooters using their competition rifles to hunt, which makes sense they are alternative position beasts, so why not improve the modern hunting rifle beyond just the carbon fiber to include elements that support the shot not just the look of the rifle.

    In my mind, we know what works, and reverting back to 1958, while nostalgic is silly as we know what works better and you can keep all the stylish elements in place

    But consider something like the MDT HTN26 stock, it's super simplistic, but has these flatted elements so it can crossover to competitive shooting, like NRL Hunter, etc... the HTN26 is an crazy small simplistic stock and I hate to admit I own 2 because they are perfect in so many ways.
     

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    I have a question

    Is it possible to create a stock like you have, which they look very nice, to have a flat bottom in the fore end ?

    So hear me out because I think there is an opportunity here. Competition has taught us that flat bottoms work better. We have the Arca Rails, etc, using bags the way we do, along with tripods. We create all sorts of clamps and devices to attach the the stock to a stabilizing device like a tripod. And clamping a round stock sucks, it moves all over.

    In this hunting, carry stock world, everything is still rounded, why not flatten the bottom of the stock to adapt better to our surroundings and current methods of shooting and be one of the first to put them into a design.

    I would totally embrace a company that says, Hey look, we see this and are nimble enough to read the writing on the wall, and adapt. I get tooling and molds, but really it's future proofing.

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    it opens the door for new attachments and products too, the hunting world is changing, albeit very slowly, but we see a lot more competitive shooters using their competition rifles to hunt, which makes sense they are alternative position beasts, so why not improve the modern hunting rifle beyond just the carbon fiber to include elements that support the shot not just the look of the rifle.

    In my mind, we know what works, and reverting back to 1958, while nostalgic is silly as we know what works better and you can keep all the stylish elements in place

    But consider something like the MDT HTN26 stock, it's super simplistic, but has these flatted elements so it can crossover to competitive shooting, like NRL Hunter, etc... the HTN26 is an crazy small simplistic stock and I hate to admit I own 2 because they are perfect in so many ways.

    Thank you for your kind words - and your idea.
    And I can say only this - we do see, hear and read - and tomorrow I'll try to show something new we're working on.
    Stay tuned! :)
     
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    to have a flat bottom in the fore end ?
    Yep. In my opinion, this should be the standard in designs now, no matter the application. If you are into the aesthetics of a rounded bottom that would be the exception. Can't think of another reason to go rounded rather than at least a flat enough spot for a "standard" arca attachment.

    For the hunting platforms...any way to do Titanium Hardware for the adjustable pieces of the stock when adjustable are obtainable? Is the juice worth the squeeze from a weight saving standpoint? The hunting crowd (especially ones that can afford these stocks) generally don't really care too much how much more it costs for the "lightweight" version of pretty much anything.
     

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    Yep. In my opinion, this should be the standard in designs now, no matter the application. If you are into the aesthetics of a rounded bottom that would be the exception. Can't think of another reason to go rounded rather than at least a flat enough spot for a "standard" arca attachment.

    For the hunting platforms...any way to do Titanium Hardware for the adjustable pieces of the stock when adjustable are obtainable? Is the juice worth the squeeze from a weight saving standpoint? The hunting crowd (especially ones that can afford these stocks) generally don't really care too much how much more it costs for the "lightweight" version of pretty much anything.
    Why titanium when the aluminum is lighter and plenty strong??
     

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    Suggestions to appeal to broader range of ELR shooters:
    Inlet to accommodate R700 / clone actions.
    Run a full-length ARCA rail spanning from just shy of the front action screw recess to about 1"-2" extended beyond the front of forend.
    ARCA rail surface parallel to the bore axis.
    Forend sized to full-float 1.25" diameter barrel.
    More vertical grip, with thumb rest.

    The location of the electronic cant indicator seemingly would not be in the shooter's perspective view for the purpose of adjusting hold.
     

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    Suggestions to appeal to broader range of ELR shooters:
    Inlet to accommodate R700 / clone actions.
    Run a full-length ARCA rail spanning from just shy of the front action screw recess to about 1"-2" extended beyond the front of forend.
    ARCA rail surface parallel to the bore axis.
    Forend sized to full-float 1.25" diameter barrel.
    More vertical grip, with thumb rest.
    I agree with most everything here except extending an ARCA rail beyond the forend. What is the purpose of this? Just make the forend longer to make however long of a rail you want to include. I personally don't run my bipod out any further than I can reach it to adjust when behind the rifle. The HNT26 forend is about perfect in length.
     
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    Rails that go beyond the stock flex... you don't want the arca rail past the fore end.

    You can bridge the point it overlaps, but putting it beyond the stock enough to host the entire bipod causes problems
     
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    My “suggestion” for extended ARCA rail is admittedly selfish… I use such extended portion of ARCA rail to secure Magnetospeed mount
     

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    Did dome digs in our achieve and want to show you our small project from the past.

    We got an inquiry from a customer, who wanted a stock for Rem-700 SA and gave us some specs and ideas about the design. We made a small batch and the customer was happy with it. Still, our designer said that there are some things he'd do the other way, some ergonomics he'd change, some features, etc - but well, it was not the project of ours.

    It's an M72 stock, with mini-chassis with adjustable mag catch, integrated M-lok rail into the chassis, thumb rest, flat wide forend with a Picatinny rail and QD cup integrated, pistol grip - and suitable for holding some heavy barrels. Our assembly using the Bergara action and carbon blank showed some good results on factory ammo (if I remember correct, around 0.12 MOA group of 3 shots on 200m - around 219 yards, .308 Win)

    What are your thoughts about this design?

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    When buying these stocks from your website, does one need to fill out a form 6 application from the ATF? Asking for a friend...
     

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    When buying these stocks from your website, does one need to fill out a form 6 application from the ATF? Asking for a friend...

    Good question. Frankly speaking - can't neither confirm nor deny any information about ATF form.
    We ship the stocks empty, no gun parts like action or system inside, no serials. We use EMS post to make a delivery, so folks from USA and Canada didn't have any problems.
    Still, we had an order from Greeneville, a rather big one, and there was a permission received for import, so everything went smooth.

    Guess it's better to contact ATF and local authorities to find out...but can say once again - we didn't have any issues with previous orders and they were delivered smooth.
     

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    Received my Raven Euro stock this week, and what a work of art! Fits beautifully onto my T3x, can’t wait to get out to the range! The Spartan Precision inlet is a really nice touch!

    Thanks for the feedback! We're sure that folks will appreciate your impressions and maybe a review with all the pros and cons of our stock!



    Also here is another report we'd like to share, from one of our customers in Sweden:

    "It is absolutely crazy. Never been able to get such groups before. Todays best was 3.3mm. All of the groups less than 10mm. Hand loads but still extremely good for standard rifle and standard barrel. Never cleaned the barrel 😂😅"

    .308 Win, hand load, standard Tikka barrel, MT30 stock. Guess that's a rather cool step up with a simple swap of a stock, what do you think?

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    Good day.

    Dear friends, we are planning to release a new stock model - but this time for Remington 700 footprint.
    The stock will have an adjustable cheek, button-operated, with height adjustment up to 32 mm (1.2") with 2mm step (0.07"). No Allen keys, no tools required, just press and pull to adjust. The stock will be compatible with our recoil pad mechanisms, so you can make it fully adjustable for your needs - vertical recoil pad adjustment, or length adjustment, or both adjustments at once. Also no tooling required, buttons only.
    We will use Badger M5 inlet for AICS mags as a standard. Also if required we can make a sort of a "downgrade" and release a stock like MT30, without a cheek, but for Rem-700.

    And we'd really appreciate you advice in the following question - what barrel contours should we make available? The stock will have the possibility to hold the barrels up to 30mm no problems (1 3/16") but what barrel contour should be set as a "standard" for initial release? We can make the contour no problems by making a proper barrel inlet, but we will be very grateful if you tell what contour is either best or most used in Remington builds with stocks like this one.

    Also a question about the action length that should be released first. LA or SA? What's your opinion?

    Please share your ideas about the contours - and the stock design in general. We do want to make a stock perfect - and we do value the feedback and impressions of hunters and shooting enthusiasts.
     
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    I'll throw in my opinion from a hunting standpoint. You don't need or want all the quick adjust LOP and Comb hardware. Adds weight to a hunting setup that most don't want or need. While that may be nice for a full chassis type stock or bench gun, I feel in the hunting world the new latest and greatest stocks are wanting light weight.

    Use the Manners LRH stocks as an example. These things can't stay on the shelf and have a 10 month lead time. I personally have a 20 person wait list for when I get some in (for the long actions) and they sell instantly. These stocks do however have a way to adjust the lightweight carbon cheek piece but it maintains minimal weight add. If you look at a stock like the manners EH1A with the traditional adjustable comb, for instance, it adds quiet a bit of weight having all that hardware in the back end. Also, having a standard 13.5 LOP I would think you would capture 99% of shooters. If the stock had to have adjustable LOP and comb, it would have to lock up 100% with no slop, play, or any movement whatsoever. I've seen it hard to achieve this without having some sort of set or locking bolt.

    Having a M5 mini chassis is the new way. With folks like Hawkins who have the M5 Hunter Bottom metals in both Hinged floor plate / Waytts box and DBM, your options are endless with M5 inlet. Especially maintaining the flush look with the Hunter DSSF mags on the Magnum calibers. That was one issue with the LA CIP Manners chassis that you would have a AICS CIP mag protruding out the bottom and would have some play in it (not ideal on a hunting rifle IMO).

    M24, Proof Sendero is really the way for barrel channels these days. I personally wouldn't consider a smaller barrel channel.

    The stock you made in post #38 above would sell like crazy in my opinion for Rem700 Clones. Flat forend and ability for ARCA. Especially the one in front of the magwell. And for sure keep that flush cup / recessed pic rail in the front. (Manners new LRH stock announced last week has this same feature). More vertical grip as you have it and it looks very well done.

    With everyone now building these new 7prc and other mags on long Actions, I personally see an immediate demand for LA Mini Chassis hunting stocks. If you had 10-20 Long Actions you could ship me as described above, I have folks that would buy them tomorrow.

    Jake
    Mountic Outdoors
     

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    Thank you for your replies and opinions. They are a good food for thought.
    Also here are some more pics of M72 stock we made for Rem 700.
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    As mentioned, we used a Bergara rebarreled action, Hardy CF barrel blank chambered in .308 Bisley Match, Timney trigger.

    Initial tests with factory ammo showed rather nice groups, like this one - 100m (109,36 yd), 3 shots landed rather good. Fun part was that the shooter didn't "lock" the rifle in his shoulder, shooting more like it was an F-class rifle.
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    But once he got aquainted with the rifle and it's behaviour, we changed the location and tried to shoot it with 200m (218,72 yd). We also changed the muzzle brake, as we found a crack on the first one we installed. This could be the reason of not so tight groups on the target as well.
    So the result with the factory ammo on longer distance was like this:
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    And yes, it was evening time, so we tried to add some light on the target by putting the flashlight on and pointing on the target. Guess that also could affect the shooting results.

    IMG_20200306_181709_res.jpg


    We used only factory ammo for tests. Main idea was to check the build, it's stability and overall ergonomics of the stock.
     
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    Hello there!

    First of all, many thanks for the feedback. And some news here.

    Rem_sketch_1.jpg

    Here is a sketch of our vision of our new stock for Remington 700 and some features we'll integrate into the stock:
    1. Ambidextrous design​
    2. Adjustable cheek with a mechanism operated with either Allen key or integrated locking bar to remove any possible wobble or play ant to provide extreme locking. We are already working on a LOP adjustment mechanism with same locking by Allen key or integrated locking bar.​
    3. Recessed Picatinny rail in the front of the forend like we did on M72 stock​
    4. QD cups can be installed on any side no problem - left or right side of the stock and forend, or under the stock and forend. We can as well provide a recessed Picatinny rail with integrated QD cup to mount it under the forend in the front part no problem.​
    5. LOP of 350mm (13,77") and can be adjusted with spacers​
    6. Thumb rest on both sides​
    7. Possibility to install ARCA rail​
    8. Flat wide surface of the forend​
    9. M5 inlet, Badger Ordnance as a default option​
    10. Ability to hold the barrels of 30mm no problem.​
    11. The stock will be same for both LA and SA. The cheek will be installed where the LA bolt is in the open rear position.​

    ...and maybe something more.

    Our designer will make a test model from plastic to check the ergonomics and fit. After that we'll tinker with the ergonomics and overall and will finalize the model. Once it's final we'll make a 3D scan of it and then we'll get a 3D-model for further work like designing the internals, making of CNC programs and required tooling for manufacture and preparing the stock for release. And after that we'll make a mold and launch the test batch of stocks for live fire testing and evaluation.


    And now the time for questions from us to you.
    1. What's the best width of the forend? We don't have a solid opinion, so we'd appreciate your advice here.​
    2. Should we keep the stock lower part flat or make it angled? Or add some Picatinny rails as an option for bag rider installation?​
    3. Should we as well think about adding a detachable front mount for NV or thermals or rangefinder, like IMUNS as an example? Or it's more of tacticool stuff?​
    4. And should we think about side rails as well?​

    What do you think? Thanks in advance!
     
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