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Reduced prison sentences for making electricity

Clark

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http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-ener...lectricity.html

<span style="font-style: italic">Although prisons are ostensibly intended as places where convicted criminals can pay their debts to society, confinement behind bars rarely yields anything other than the punishment alone. But now, thanks to an innovative new initiative underway at a correctional facility in Brazil, prisoners are being given the chance to slash their sentences while bringing a bit of light into the world, literally -- by producing the electricity used to power street lamps.

According to Jornal Nacional, Brazil's Santa Rita do Sapucaí prison, following the suggestion of a local judge, recently installed <span style="color: #FF0000">electricity-generating stationary bikes</span> as part of a plan to keep inmates active while letting them contribute to a greater good.

For every 16 hours spent pedaling to charge a battery connected to the bike, prisoners of good standing will shave a day off their sentences. The energy will then be used to power streetlights in the city that might otherwise be dark, making the community a safer place at night for everyone.

Using the bikes isn't mandatory, but when their benefits are as win-win, there's no reason it needs to be. "I was a little chubby," says one inmate. "I've lost about nine pounds [riding the bikes]."

Given the success of the program so far, the prison plans to add even more power-generating bikes which will go even further to reduce sentences, waistlines, electricity bills, and carbon emissions -- all while making the world a brighter place, in more ways than one.</span>
 
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The bikes and infrastructure will cost more than 100 years of electricity produced by peddling prisoners.

Cough cough Agenda 21 cough cough
 
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If the voltage was bumped to 2400Vac they could copy old sparky down in Fla. That way it would be put to good use.
 
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Do you really think they will be going all out trying to produce energy or just attempt to make the pedals move at the minimum speed?
 
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How does a prisoner riding a stationary bike reduce carbon emissions?
 
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Marvelous idea. to apply it here in the U.S., I think would be an interesting experiment. have it be a voluntary program, where the inmate elects to "Buy" a power generating stationary bike, and pay it off at a rate of a dollar an hour until he pays the fee, say something reasonable, like 100 dollars. Specify that he must maintain at least a minimum x speed/x generating capacity while doing so. once he pays off the bike, he can start earning toward his release. As for the time spent/time served ratio, I'll leave that up to somebody who crunches the numbers to figure that one out.
I believe that by "reduced carbon emissions" they mean replacing the diesel generators/whatever the power supply used in lieu of the prisoners. say a 100K generator consumes 20 gallons over an 8 hour period, and each prisoner supplies 1 KW/hour for eight hours. then 100 prisoners during an eight hour shift could save a community 20 gallons of fuel.
 
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How about letting them starve unless they raise there own food. Turn off the damn a/c, take out the weight rooms and libraries. Jail should be a deterrent not 3 squares and cute PC programs. Put them picking up trash, being self sufficient farming and if that's not enough have them move rock piles. If an inmate has the time or energy in jail to worry about gang affiliation it's being run the wrong way.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about letting them starve unless they raise there own food. Turn off the damn a/c, take out the weight rooms and libraries. Jail should be a deterrent not 3 squares and cute PC programs. Put them picking up trash, being self sufficient farming and if that's not enough have them move rock piles. If an inmate has the time or energy in jail to worry about gang affiliation it's being run the wrong way. </div></div>Oh great. Turn the worst criminals into the best preppers.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anvil Xray</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> say a 100K generator consumes 20 gallons over an 8 hour period, and each prisoner supplies 1 KW/hour for eight hours. then 100 prisoners during an eight hour shift could save a community 20 gallons of fuel. </div></div>

The problem with that is that it's impossible for a human to do the amount of work necessary to produce 1KW/hour for eight hours. The best athletes in the world could maybe do it for an ~hour.

155 lb person: Stationary cycling, very vigorous = 880kcal
1KW-hr = 860kcal

http://www.nutristrategy.com/fitness/cycling.htm

This is all just another bullshit 'green' program to make people feel good.
 
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Instead of cycling for time they could cycle for output. So regardless their pace they get a day reduction for each 1KW-hr.
 
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Matrix anyone???
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But prisoners cost $80/ day in a US prison, but only $8/ on parole. </div></div>

'and bullets only cost ~$.30.
 
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All long as part of the electricity they generate goes into their testicles, I'm OK with it.
 
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While the the theory is good, in practice it's not practical. While yes it would keep some prisoners busy, you've increased the overall cost of running the prison by buying these 'cycles for very low output. I agree, turn off the a/c, make them do laundry by hand, grow their own food, pick up trash, move the rock pile. Once it's moved, move it again, wash rinse repeat. And NO TV ever. Period.
 
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Stupid Idea. Prisoners should be locked in a box for shorter sentences, no outside contact. The root word in Penitentiary? Penitence. Suffer in silence.
 
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Out on the streets sooner with better ability to outrun the cops.




Brilliant.
 
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I can just see future generation of bycicle gangs outrunning police cars. funny.
 
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I still say Offenders should be made to turn big rocks into little rocks from dawn til dusk with no pay. Not sit around all day with nothing to do but be jerks and collect gang-pay.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about letting them starve unless they raise there own food. Turn off the damn a/c, take out the weight rooms and libraries. Jail should be a deterrent not 3 squares and cute PC programs. Put them picking up trash, being self sufficient farming and if that's not enough have them move rock piles. If an inmate has the time or energy in jail to worry about gang affiliation it's being run the wrong way. </div></div>

Done. Sheriff Joe Arpaio - http://www.mcso.org/About/Sheriff.aspx

Some good quotes:

- In August, 1993, he started the nation’s largest Tent City for convicted inmates. Two thousand convicted men and women serve their sentences in a canvas incarceration compound.

- Of equal success and notoriety are his chain gangs, which contribute thousands of dollars of free labor to the community. The male chain gang, and the world’s first-ever female and juvenile chain gangs, clean streets, paint over graffiti, and bury the indigent in the county cemetery.

- ...he banned smoking, coffee, movies, pornographic magazines, and unrestricted TV in all jails. He has the cheapest meals in the U.S. too. The average meal costs between 15 and 40 cents, and inmates are fed only twice daily, to cut the labor costs of meal delivery. He even stopped serving them salt and pepper to save tax payers $20,000 a year.

- Arpaio is very well known for is the pink underwear he makes all inmates wear. Years ago, when the Sheriff learned that inmates were stealing jailhouse white boxers, Arpaio had all inmate underwear dyed pink for better inventory control.

- Mugshots of all those arrested (about 300 per day) are posted on the Sheriff’s website as they are booked and processed into jail. Just under a million hits daily come into the website, making it one of the most visible law enforcement sites on the internet.


I wouldn't want to be in Tent City today. It's 106 here in AZ! I'm sure the rate of return offenders here is lower than the national average. I'll have to look that one up...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Burkes the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still say Offenders should be made to turn big rocks into little rocks from dawn til dusk with no pay. Not sit around all day with nothing to do but be jerks and collect gang-pay.</div></div> It's my long-lost TWIN!!!
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Where've you been, bro? I been saying that for years.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Burkes the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still say Offenders should be made to turn big rocks into little rocks from dawn til dusk with no pay. Not sit around all day with nothing to do but be jerks and collect gang-pay.</div></div> It's my long-lost TWIN!!!
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Where've you been, bro? I been saying that for years. </div></div>

HAHA.! Brother!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about letting them starve unless they raise there own food. Turn off the damn a/c, take out the weight rooms and libraries. Jail should be a deterrent not 3 squares and cute PC programs. Put them picking up trash, being self sufficient farming and if that's not enough have them move rock piles. If an inmate has the time or energy in jail to worry about gang affiliation it's being run the wrong way. </div></div>

Louisiana has some pretty crappy prisons. We took a tour of hunt, they had ~ 2 tons of rocks painted red, white, and blue. As punishment a prisoner would have to move the rocks ~50 ft and "rearrange" them. Blue on top then red, then white. Guard would then say you did it wrong, move them over there and big to little. The tour guide said they would be at it for up to 20 hours at a time.
 
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Having them in big banks of bikes powering a much larger generator would be a better way or producing power. Then give them time off on power produced not on total hours.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roadwild17</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about letting them starve unless they raise there own food. Turn off the damn a/c, take out the weight rooms and libraries. Jail should be a deterrent not 3 squares and cute PC programs. Put them picking up trash, being self sufficient farming and if that's not enough have them move rock piles. If an inmate has the time or energy in jail to worry about gang affiliation it's being run the wrong way. </div></div>

Louisiana has some pretty crappy prisons. We took a tour of hunt, they had ~ 2 tons of rocks painted red, white, and blue. As punishment a prisoner would have to move the rocks ~50 ft and "rearrange" them. Blue on top then red, then white. Guard would then say you did it wrong, move them over there and big to little. The tour guide said they would be at it for up to 20 hours at a time. </div></div>

Absolutely Louisiana is horrible- a police state.

Why waste output? Put the people to work assembling parts or doing something else that people otherwise would outsource, get something done, help someone out. That would be a useful undertaking.

I met inmates in Louisiana who were cutting lawns and picking up trash who were apparently lifetime sentenced people. I found it hard to believe someone who could walk off, but would not, who could hurt someone but would not, and who could be trusted to make food for cops could be so dangerous as to warrant life without parole.

It made no sense. If they are so dangerous they should be in maximum security, not maintaining the state police compound- a property without gates or fences.