Remington 700 Armorer Course for LEO's...

mgd45 · Dec 10, 2010

Well, I just finished attending a Remington taught 700 Armorer course.....what a scam.

$200 just so I can sit & watch a few PowerPoint presentations. All they "taught" me was how to take the bolt apart to get to the Firing Pin assembly. Wow....(took about 5 seconds...)

The only "repairs" we are able to do is replacing the extractor....other than that if any repairs are needed to be done to the Firing Pin assembly, we are to simply order an entire new assembly.

On the Fire Control system...(trigger assembly....) all we are authorized to do is adjust the trigger pull screw or drop in a whole new trigger assembly. That's it.

So.....my Dept. paid $200 for me to basically be shown how to take apart the bolt & how to turn a trigger pull screw & how to take 2 roll pins out to replace an entire trigger group. This gets me a certificate from Remington. WOO HOO!....

I guess I was expecting too much....Remington is so liability conscious about people screwing with their products, that they have basically taken the stance of <span style="font-style: italic">"Send it back for a new replacement, instead of working on it..."</span>

I will say this about our instructor (Ken)...extremely nice and very knowledgeable. I will also amend my earlier posts about the Remington trigger replacement debate.

We really discussed this issue at length in the class and after learning about the design & internal workings of the Walker Trigger vs. the X-Mark Pro vs. the 40X trigger systems.....<span style="font-weight: bold">I was wrong</span>.

There is nothing wrong or defective with the Walker System & I will recommend to my Chief that we keep the trigger in our Dept. rifle instead of replacing it......

.308 PLT · Dec 10, 2010

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mgd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We really discussed this issue at length in the class and after learning about the design & internal workings of the Walker Trigger vs. the X-Mark Pro vs. the 40X trigger systems.....<span style="font-weight: bold">I was wrong</span>.

There is nothing wrong or defective with the Walker System & I will recommend to my Chief that we keep the trigger in our Dept. rifle instead of replacing it......</div></div>

Glad to see that.....I told you the CNBC BigFoot wasn't real...LOL!!!

Tank · Dec 10, 2010

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Been to the Remington course a few years ago. Definetly a waste of money. If your still interested try one of the colleges that have gunsmithing programs. several of them run NRA summer classes and LEO short term classes. I went to one through Lassen College here in Calif. GREAT class one of the top armorer/gunsmith classes Ive been to.

As far as replacing triggers, I argued and argued but no deal here. They are running scared. Good news is we are replacing them with Huber triggers.

Hateca · Dec 11, 2010

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First I agree money not well spent, that being said…

Problem is if you are your department armor for a Remington weapon you need this class to cover not only Remington’s butt but your departments butt as well, and it makes no difference what other training you may or may not have, or what training you think you need.

Once the manufactures offer an "armors course" you're pretty much stuck going if your city is keen on liability otherwise if shit hits the fan and you didn't attend the class Remington can always say "that officer never attend our armors course it's not our fault".

A waste of money? In my opinion yes, but it would sure be nice to have that little piece of paper to cover my ass if I was called to the stand for some reason.

I had to attend every manufactures armor course for every weapon our department used and fielded if the manufacture offered one, made no difference what experience I had, the city and the department wanted that little piece of paper to cover their ass.

Tank · Dec 11, 2010

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Randy,

Thats very true. A waste of money but a necessity. Ive been attending factory armorers courses every three years or so for a while. Attended my 4th Glock class last year (brutal 8 hours). Another thing to remember is that many manufacturers will not sell you factory parts with out proof of certification.

My plan is to attend to classes my department has to send me to (factory classes) and attend Lassen classes on my own.

CK_32 · Dec 11, 2010

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Hahaha plan on spending a good $1k on a class your actually going to learn something worth while and do some actual shooting.

BK7saum · Dec 12, 2010

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What you get from a manufacturers' amorer course is (possibly) a blessing from the factory to change out parts and not void the warranty plus it covers you legally if there is a civil suit filed in regard to an officer involved shooting with the firearm (well, maybe). That's about it.

I've been to a few and feel lucky to live near a gunsmithing school that offers the NRA summer gunsmithing program. Those classes are great to learn about specific classes of firearms; bolt rifles, 1911s, semi-auto handguns, shotguns, etc.

Really there isn't a whole lot to learn about a 700 from an armorer standpoint as taught by a factory rep and I would expect that the class would be a waste of time except to get the certificate and blessing to be a parts changer for the 700 rifle.

I went to a one of the NRA 40 hour classes, "accurizing the bolt action rifle". We brought a rifle, pillar bedded or glass bedded, covered trigger adjustments, mounted or remounted scope after lapping/reaming rings, covered maintenance, etc. For $250, it was a great class, one of the most enjoyable that I've been to. That is the benefit to the NRA 40 hour courses. You actually get an instructor that wants you to learn something, not a factory rep that is afraid to provide you with information because you might try to modify something that they feel should be left alone.

LoneWolfUSMC · Dec 12, 2010

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I am a Remington Certified Armorer for our Department.

What I got by attending the course was Remington in my corner in a civil suit if they alleged product liability. As long as I follow the recommended procedures then the liability shifts to Remington and they get to spend their money defending it.

I get to order replacement parts direct from the factory for less than I can have a local shop do so, AND I got a certificate that saved me as much money on a new rifle as I would have paid for the course.

Not a bad deal.

Anyone who thinks an armorers course is going to make them a gunsmith is sorely mistaken. They give you a little history on the weapon and company and then show you how to check it for problems and replace parts. The latter part you can usually figure out yourself if you have any mechanical aptitude.

mgd45 · Dec 12, 2010

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I agree with all the above posts....the certificate is definitely for civil liability......and the cost savings on parts & 1 time discount on a firearm is really nice.

One thing I learned in class is that unless your rifle & parts are in perfectly cleaned & maintained condition, then they will simply say, "Sorry, the rifle wasn't maintained properly to factory standards....so we're not liable for any malfunctions..."

But I'm glad I can now be "official" when I inspect & clean my rifle......LOL!

Augustis · Dec 13, 2010

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mgd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I just finished attending a Remington taught 700 Armorer course.....what a scam.

$200 just so I can sit & watch a few PowerPoint presentations. All they "taught" me was how to take the bolt apart to get to the Firing Pin assembly. Wow....(took about 5 seconds...)

The only "repairs" we are able to do is replacing the extractor....other than that if any repairs are needed to be done to the Firing Pin assembly, we are to simply order an entire new assembly.

On the Fire Control system...(trigger assembly....) all we are authorized to do is adjust the trigger pull screw or drop in a whole new trigger assembly. That's it.

So.....my Dept. paid $200 for me to basically be shown how to take apart the bolt & how to turn a trigger pull screw & how to take 2 roll pins out to replace an entire trigger group. This gets me a certificate from Remington. WOO HOO!....

I guess I was expecting too much....Remington is so liability conscious about people screwing with their products, that they have basically taken the stance of <span style="font-style: italic">"Send it back for a new replacement, instead of working on it..."</span>

I will say this about our instructor (Ken)...extremely nice and very knowledgeable. I will also amend my earlier posts about the Remington trigger replacement debate.

We really discussed this issue at length in the class and after learning about the design & internal workings of the Walker Trigger vs. the X-Mark Pro vs. the 40X trigger systems.....<span style="font-weight: bold">I was wrong</span>.

mgd45 · Dec 13, 2010

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