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Rifle Scopes Review of new SS10x42MQ (mil/mil fixed 10 power)

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I got into precision/long range shooting about 7 years ago at which time I have heard nothing but good things about the Super Sniper / SWFA SS line of scopes. They have built a great reputation of being simple yet durable. The only thing that has held me back from getting one was the lack of matching knobs and reticle. Fast forward to 2012 and as we all know, SWFA began offering them with .01 milrad knobs and an improved reticle over standard mil-dots, the milquad.

I ordered one of these new scopes to act as a temporary optic for a custom .260 I recently had built. Like a lot of other people, personal finances can be tight and strict household budgets have to be maintained. I purposefully have more taxes than needed withheld from my paycheck so that I will get a decent sum back every year. I use my tax return as a savings/splurge account every year. This year that money is earmarked for a top of the line rifle scope, which is likely going to be a March-F.

<span style="font-weight: bold">GLASS QUALITY</span>
Three weeks ago I placed an order for the SS10x42MQ from SWFA and received it the following week. Due to working nights and 12+ hour days, I didn't have time to mount it right away. I took it to work with me and used that opportunity to "glass" things at night. What I found was very respectable; as long as there was ambient light sources, street lights, porch lights, headlights, etc. the target image was clear enough for identification and sight picture purposes. The reticle was bold enough to be seen and use as a ranging/hold over tool. The one down side I noticed was stray BRIGHT light on the objective lens would tend to reflect and hamper the image. This only occurred with very bright light at certain angles.

Low light quality was decent, compared to a Nikon Monarch and older Vari-x II it was about the same. The same light reflection issue occurred at dusk and dawn when looking at certain angles to the setting/rising sun. I had a Mark 4 sunshade sitting around so I taped it to the objective end of the scope. This made a huge difference, enough so that I would recommend carrying one with your load out gear for those needed times. I have not had the opportunity to try an ARD, but this may help to reduce the reflected light as well.

The image quality in daylight, both bright and sunny as well as overcast and gloomy, is on par with any scope I have used in the $800-$1,000 price range. Compared to the baseline of Mark 4 scopes, I would give the edge to Mark 4 in this respect. I have/had 3 Mark 4's over the years and two out of three of them had better glass than the SS, the one that I would say was equal to it was a fixed 10x M3. I have now done some extensive shooting with it at 100 yards and I was able to spot .264 holes with ease. I was able to see light mirage as the barrel heated up, but not so much as to distort image quality or interfere with my sight picture. I prefer some mirage, as it helps read the wind at longer distances.

<span style="font-weight: bold">CONTROLS</span>
The turret knobs were very acceptable for an optic in this price range. They are crisp enough to count "clicks" but not NightForce crisp. Of the three Mark 4s I have/had I would say they are equal to or better than two of those three. The one that bested the SS was a 3.5-10 with M2 BDC knobs. The SS knobs felt way better than the Weaver tactical line, comparing to a 3-15x50 and a Midway exclusive 3-10x40 mil/mil. The way the SS knobs are engineered leaves it up to the user to ensure the knobs line up perfectly with the reference points. This is in the same fashion as the Mark 4 and is better than the design of some other recent offerings, which in some cases the marks can actually be in between clicks which leaves you guessing if it is at .00 or .01 mil. After being mounted on a Rem 700 with a 20 moa base, I have 24.5 mils of "up" travel left to go! That's more than some tactical scopes have total!

One thing on my wish list for SWFA to change would be the markings on the windage knob. I would prefer them to be marked "0.5R", "1R", "1.5R", etc. This would be a huge improvement as three is no directional indicator engraved on the scope body itself. When this scope finds it's permanent home, I may send the elevation knob off to have the DOPE engraved on it (BDC type knob), at which time I would have this improvement made to the windage knob.

The verdict is still out on the rear parallax control, but it is my own fault for not spending an extra $100 on the side "focus" model. As I have only used it out to 100 yards to this point, I'm not sure if I will learn to adjust it while staying behind the rifle or if I will tend to move out of my shooting position to adjust it while looking at the reference marks.

<span style="font-weight: bold">OVERALL ENGINEERING</span>
The mounting of the scope was pretty straight forward with one exception. I used the "feeler gauge" method to level it to the scope base and ran into one problem. SWFA puts a small sticker on the bottom of the turret housing over the N2 port. The label says not to remove it, but it came right off when I slid the feeler gauge under it. I'm not sure if this will void the warranty, but they should find an alternate method to accomplish whatever goal the sticker was supposed to achieve. Once the scope was leveled in the rings I used a level on the one piece picatinny rail to ensure the receiver was level. With the receiver leveled, I looked at a plumb line set at 15 meters away and the reticle was perfectly level. I then put a level on the elevation turret and it was level as well. This was a nice surprise!

<span style="font-weight: bold">RETICLE</span>
I am very impressed with the milquad reticle. It is very crisp and just the right thickness for tactical or precision shooting. The open diamond shape mil-dots are awesome, and will really assist in breaking a target down while milling it. It is not cluttered at all and will serve great for people who dial elevation and hold for wind. Without much wind, one could hold for elevation and wind with ease. The reticle is pretty straight forward so there is not much else to say about it.

<span style="font-weight: bold">TRACKING</span>
I zeroed the rifle using two rounds, one round fired then "milled" to my point of aim and made the necessary corrections with the knobs. The second round was on a 1 moa target dot. I elected to fine tune it from there and was able to get my POI to within 1/4 moa of my POA. I then fired 25 rounds at 100 yards, printing 5 five round groups. My average for that rifle/scope/load was .3854 moa.

I made a grid on a poster board, marking out 6 mils high in 1 mil increments. I also marked out 1 mil right and left in line with "0" as well as 2 mils right and left at 5 mils. Refer to the pictures for more details.
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Using the orange target dot at the low center of the board as my common point of aim (POA), I fired 17 rounds, using that same POA and dialed the respective correction into the scope. Every hit, with the exception of one, was within 1/2 moa of where it should be. Most of the hits were within 1/4 moa. The one round that concerned me was at 6 mils of elevation (which is my dope for 800 yard with this load) and it was about 1 moa below where it should have been. It is possible that I pulled this shot, I know it didn't feel right. It should be noted that the two groups seen on the target are at "0" and "6 mils", and I alternated between the two settings with each shot. I marked each shot in sequence on the target, refer to the picture below. Disregard the two orange target spots midway up on the target, those were for some more load development.
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It should also be noted that the reticle subtended perfectly with my grid at 100 yards. That gave me confidence in the adjustments and reticle for future use at long range.
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<span style="font-weight: bold">FINAL THOUGHTS</span>
I know this review is lacking comments on durability, but having numerous reviews conducted over the years testifying to this, torture tests and all, I trust it. I wanted to do this review to evaluate these new changes to the SS line. I originally purchased this scope as a temporary optic to be kept around as a back up. After playing with it I think I will pick up a Rem 700 AAC-SD and make this scope a permanent fixture on it. If the durability meets it's reputation, I won't hesitate to use it on one of my duty weapons.

Here is a picture of the rig set up.
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Re: Review of new SS10x42MQ (mil/mil fixed 10 power)

I just purchased they're fixed 20X 42mm mil/mil to use on my Savage 223 and 22LR I use for practice, but waiting for medium Seekins ring which should be here next week. My old eyes need extra help. Thanks for your thorough review.

By the way, just got a March F 3-24 42mm for my 308 RW Snyder custom Rem 700 and it's features are really sweet, especially the zero stop function. The reticle is a little coarse on 24X, but with the open center design have not found it an issue and you can always dial down the magnification.
 
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I have the 6x mil mil sitting here, it's a nice little scope. I noticed the same light reflection shooting in the afternoon though, really blindingly bright. A sunshade or an ARD would definitely help.
 
Re: Review of new SS10x42MQ (mil/mil fixed 10 power)

Thinking about getting a 10x mil/mil SF to learn and practice mils.

For $300-$400, seems hard to beat!
 
Re: Review of new SS10x42MQ (mil/mil fixed 10 power)

for 199 the 3200 on sale or any of the mil/mil exclusives at midway are decent too
 
Re: Review of new SS10x42MQ (mil/mil fixed 10 power)

Well done. My M is about a dozen years old now and has been great. I remove it every trip and it's always right on next trip. Every year or two I lube the seals on the turrets because they get tight and dry but that is all I have had to do. Good money spent. I would buy another if I ever build a 6.5X55 Savage. we have some steel at 300 and 500 yards and it does a fine job teaching new shooters to reach out.

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Thank you.
..MJ..

Cheers
..MJ..
 
Re: Review of new SS10x42MQ (mil/mil fixed 10 power)

can you comment on eye relief? long/ short, and is the range of eye relief fairly restricted or generous?
 
Re: Review of new SS10x42MQ (mil/mil fixed 10 power)

I follow the rule - "The gun and the optic should correlate in price."

In other words, don't put a $300 optic on a $1,500 gun. And don't put $50 rings on a $2,000 rig.

I've bought the last two versions of this scope. The clicks were very mushy. So much so, I never actually shot it. Sent it back, spent more to get good both tactile and audible clicks.

Hey - I "get" limited budget projects. And I'll defer to the OP for the rest of the review. Well done. My opinion? Save up your taters, and get more scope.

Just don't confuse "I can't afford it" with "I can't afford it right now."
 
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I have the same thing in a 12x42 on my rimfire, and I must say I am happy with it for the money. I may upgrade to gucci glass at some point (for my .22) but not because I have to.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: garandman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I've bought the last two versions of this scope. The clicks were very mushy. So much so, I never actually shot it. Sent it back, spent more to get good both tactile and audible clicks.

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We have made many production changes, assembly changes and inspection changes over the years. Have you tried a Mil-Quad version? We have not had a return for non tactile or non audible clicks for some time.
 
Re: Review of new SS10x42MQ (mil/mil fixed 10 power)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: garandman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I've bought the last two versions of this scope. The clicks were very mushy. So much so, I never actually shot it. Sent it back, spent more to get good both tactile and audible clicks.

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We have made many production changes, assembly changes and inspection changes over the years. Have you tried a Mil-Quad version? We have not had a return for non tactile or non audible clicks for some time. </div></div>


This is true, reticle is quite useful & intersting and turrets have nice positive clicks. They are not mushy. I am very fond of this scope for just range work, the 12x I have.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
We have made many production changes, assembly changes and inspection changes over the years. Have you tried a Mil-Quad version? We have not had a return for non tactile or non audible clicks for some time. </div></div>

The past two I bought was prolly 6 years ago, and three years before that.

The issue was the rubber o-ring gasket that sealed the turrets from moisture. Clicks were OK with the o-ring removed, but that wouldn't be a good idea. The o-ring installed made the "clicks" mushy and deadened any tactile / audible charachter of W/E adjustments. Just kinda a mush slide thru the adjustment.

What is the turret configuration now?
 
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The clicks on mine are positive/tactile but not super audible. I am not sure why everyone expects a 300$ scope to be a 1500$ dollar one but it is the internet after all.
 
Re: Review of new SS10x42MQ (mil/mil fixed 10 power)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The clicks on mine are positive/tactile but not super audible. I am not sure why everyone expects a 300$ scope to be a 1500$ dollar one but it is the internet after all.
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Since I already made that point, this comment cannot be referring to me. so, yeah....the guys that expect stuff like that are dufusses.
 
Fixed power scopes are handy. No need to adjust zoom.They are usually lighter than scopes with zoom capability. USO stopped making theirs and so did Leupold. It's too bad.
 
Made in 2012, resurrected in 2013, then again in 2017. I thought this review was several years late. I was wrong, its old enough to be in pre school.