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RMR as primary AR sight???

mkollman74

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  • Nov 5, 2009
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    Anyone have any experience running a RMR as a primary sight on an AR? Obvioulsy I am not looking for any great range with this weapon. Basically, am looking to run some sort of RDS in place of irons. Have considered them all, but am intrigued by the RMR. All help appreciated.
     
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    No experience with it, but I have been looking at red dots that could be used as primary sight for a pistol, 45 degree offset mount for a scoped AR, but also as a primary on an AR.

    I keep coming back to the aimpoint micro. I would consider the RMR/doctor/sts/burris fastfire etc. for the other 2 purposes though, but i have doubts using it as a primary sight.
     
    Re: RMR as primary AR sight???

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Defusion</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No experience with it...... but i have doubts using it as a primary sight. </div></div>

    Would be interested to know what the doubts are. Judging from the mopunts Triji make there seems to be a clear intention that it can be used in that role.

    I share your opinion on the Aimpoint Micro and use one myself. But the RMR I use as a back-up red dot on another rifle beats the hell out of the H-1/T-1 in terms of FOV

    However re: OP's intentions...not sure I'd everchoose to run <span style="text-decoration: underline">any</span> rifle without irons - I have them on all mine except my GAP M40A1 clone. Shit happens - lenses break, batteries die, mounts fall apart etc. etc. - a rifle without an aiming system is pretty much useless for it's intended purpose.
     
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    Like I said, i have no experience with them. It would be mostly subjective, as i see them more as secondary sights or pistol sights.

    I do feel that acquiring the dot would be faster with a micro, and even more so on a full-size aimpoint. This might be because of the tubular design. But your right about the FOV being limited.

    I just checked out some of the mounts. Didn't know about those, and actually expected it to be mounted lower. The higher mounts make sense though.
     
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    Understood.

    I'd not have too many problems with the idea of using an RMR as a red-dot alongside irons (even if they are the secondary sights i.e flip-up/BUIS/Dueck style)....I find the RMR very similar to the C-More I used to use some years ago on a .22 upper in terms of FOV...but maybe for peace of mind the Aimpoints seem a little more "rugged", less vulnerable to damage if this is a duty rifle?

    But, as above, relying on an optic (let alone one that relies 100% on batteries for basic functionality) as a rifle's only aiming system would never be my first choice.
     
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    I haven't tried it either personally, but I suppose it would work fine. The biggest problem I see is speed of target acquisition and the FOV. See, I have a 1x24 RX01 and compared to the EoTech 512 I have, it is much, much slower. The dot is also quite a bit dimmer, so if you get an RMR you may want to consider the one that has battery backup. Also consider the new EoTech's are getting smaller by the day, the price is similar, and the EoTech supports a magnifier if you choose, not to mention various reticle options.

    I actually didn't like the EoTech when it came out, I thought it was cheap and not effective. Boy was I wrong. It is now my favorite, my preferred reflex sight by leaps and bounds. Only wish it was tri-powered like Trijicon's "Tri-Power", as I do like no battery options when applicable, but it is nice to always have a sight that works to some degree or another regardless of lighting. The biggest problem with tritium reflex sights that also employ fiber optics is that they compensate for the lighting in which they are located. So if you are shooting from a dark room into a bright, sunny outside, the tritium dot can easily get lost and require "searching". Not cool. When lighting is same on target as it is for the shooter (like at your range) this isn't a problem.

    Now I plan on putting canted reflex sights on some of my scopes and/or scoped rifles, and the RMR is a consideration as is the Aimpoint Micro for at least one. I've heard a lot of good about the Micro too, to tell you the truth, and not too much about the RMR.

    Also, fwiw, I've seen a LOT more Micro's being used as primary sights on rifles vs. RMR's, usually CQB weapons but occasionally the 5.56 rifles, and considering the price is similar, I'd probably go with the Micro if it was going to be the primary sight.

    I should also mention that the RX01 is quite a bit less accurate than is the EoTech. I get, oh, about quarter size groups at 100 using the EoTech and a decent non-FF 14.5 LMT M4, while the RX01 opens up a good deal more. This could be in part to the ARMS mount I'm using or it could be the fact that the entire base adjusts and not the reticle itself. I don't think this is an issue with the RMR but I don't own one so I don't know for sure.

    Simply put, I personally wouldn't use the RMR as a primary sight if the EoTech will fit the bill, and on top of that, many flip up sights will co-witness absolutely with the EoTEch and I'd highly recommend using some kind of backup irons, co-witness or not, and though I prefer the KAC 600m flips, a lot of folks swear by those plastic Magpul backups. Considering they seldom get used after sighting in, they may be the better choice. I don't know, like I said, I mostly use KAC gear when I can. My M4 is basically the same build I had in the army only with minor parts changes (like a Geissele trigger instead of burst obviously and I have an AAC Brakeout for a suppressor). When I use the EoTech, either the KAC 600m flips or the ARMS flip (L40?) will line up perfectly with the fixed front sight and the EoTech basically halos the irons and the dot sits right on top of the post. Couldn't ask for better co-witness if you ask me. The RX01 will do the same, but with a much, much smaller window to look through, it is much slower and in certain lighting you have to "search" for the dot. Not cool at all. So I use the RX01 for a primary on a Beowulf, which is a 200m max weapon and that seems to be pretty accurate on the Beo. Don't ask me why.

    I do plan on using a canted reflex on a couple of scoped rifles in the future, again I haven't decided on the RMR or the Micro, but most folks seem to go for the Micro from my "research". I'll still keep the iron backups as I see the canted reflex on a scoped rifle as more of a luxury really.

    But to each his own, I just feel the larger window of the EoTech is just superb compared to others. The Aimpoint red dots, the M68's and similar, they co-witness too but without the larger window and the 65MOA ring around the 1MOA dot is STILL faster, at least for me. But those Aimpoint M68's are tough as hell, I saw one get hit so hard it sheared the military rail grabber mount clean in half, but the damn M68 was totally unharmed, though it was what got hit!

    Now on my ACOG equipped M4, I do plan on mounting SOME kind of reflex on top of it as those ridiculous built in irons are completely useless for up close, but considering I would seldom use it, I'll probably go with a J-Point and a Larue mount with wings so as to protect it some.

    I'd maybe think of putting one of those small RMR's or similar very small dots on one of my pistols, maybe a G17L if I can score another new one later, or if we could have SBR's or say SBR PDW rifles in my area that were small and concealable, I would maybe consider one then, but just not for my M4 carbine or anything bigger.

    Sorry so long winded, I just hope the comparisons helped.
     
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    I run a Insight MRDS on my 12" 870 entry gun and like it as much as the T1s I have on my ARs. I recently threw a JPoint I had laying around on a dedicated 22 AR upper to give it a try. The only problem I had with the JPoint was the height of the mount being to low.
     
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    I have an RMR (9moa tritium/fiberoptic dot model). It's always "on," the fiber optics brighten the dot in daylight, so there is never any difficulty seeing the dot, and it is great for "CQB" work, but you cannot buy a model with a small enough dot to do the least of precision work.
     
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    Hi Guys -

    Thanks to each of you for your input. I knew I would get good feedback here. As to my intentions with this rig: Not a duty gun. I would use for 300 and under practice/training/plinking and as a tool for protecting the cabin/campsite if needed. I am looking primarily for a setup that is light and quick and allows for rapid target acqusition at typical defense distances (if there is such a thing as a typical defense distance). I agree about the irons as BU. I intend to do that, but am really a bit new to the carbine side of things - hence the question RE: the RMR.

    I hadn't really considered the Eotech, but I do now see that they are shrinking in size. They would certainly make a good option. i like the co-witness capabilities. I have also been looking at one of the the micros. They do seem to be quite popular.

    Again, I appreciate you guys for your thoughtful responses.
     
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    Locally they cost as much as a T-1, and for me it's a no brainer at that point. Also wouldn't the size of the dot on the RMR be something of a pain in the ass? T-1 is also much more robust in my experience.