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"Routine" Traffic Stop (Video)

Augustis

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I am not posting this to be critical of anyone involved, but only because, through the grace of God the officer survived this encounter. There are certain lessons to be learned from this video that I hope can in some way be used for training for such encounters by other Officers in the future. This is every Officers nightmare... Will you be be prepared??

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http://www.missoulian.com/news/local/article_2dd02134-477f-11df-aba6-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=video


Hamilton officer cleared in fatal shooting during January traffic stop

April 14, 2010

HAMILTON - A coroner's inquest found Tuesday that Hamilton Police Officer Ross Jessop was justified in shooting Raymond Thane Davis to death after the Hamilton man opened fire during a late-night traffic stop in January.

It took a six-woman jury one hour to make its ruling following nearly five hours of testimony, which included a video that showed Davis pointing a pistol inches from Jessop's face and pulling the trigger.

The click of the revolver's hammer hitting a previously fired round was audible in the recording.

Davis fired a second time as the officer fell back and drew his own weapon.

Jessop fired his pistol 14 times into Davis' vehicle as it sped away. One round hit Davis, 36, in the back and he died at the scene.

Davis' .41 caliber revolver was recovered from the floorboard of his vehicle. Its hammer was cocked and ready to fire.

***

Witnesses testified Tuesday that Davis' taste for whiskey and a bad case of jealousy were to blame for the fatal confrontation.

Shannon Diaz, bar manager at Hamilton's Office and Silver Coin Casino, said Davis was acting strange enough on the evening of Jan. 1 that she wouldn't serve alcohol to him.

"He was completely not like himself ... when he starts drinking whiskey, he just completely turns into a different person," Diaz said.

She told him he needed to leave.

Davis returned later and found his girlfriend, Diaz and another man sitting outside. The man - who is African-American - had loaned Davis' girlfriend his coat.

That set off Davis, Diaz said.

He shouted racial epithets and later texted the same to his girlfriend. When he returned to the bar, Diaz had bouncers and her husband put him out.

She said someone later received a text message saying Davis had a gun.

Tracy Womack, owner of the Ponderosa Bar, said Davis was fine when she first saw him around 9 p.m., but she knew he'd been fighting with his girlfriend when he came back later and continued drinking.

When Davis' girlfriend came back to the Ponderosa later, she asked to hide behind the bar.

"She sat on a little stool. ... She didn't want him to see her," Womack said.

He spotted her the second time he came back and started yelling racial epithets at her again. Womack told him to leave.

"I knew I needed to protect her and get him gone," she said.

Davis moved to the Rainbow Bar, where he continued to drink.

The bartender there, Nicholas Renzo, remembered wrapping up Davis' hand, which was bleeding.

"He said he hit a wall or something. ... Anyone who knows him, knows he shouldn't drink whiskey," Renzo testified. "He gets violent."

He later told Renzo later he had a gun.

Just before Davis got ready to leave at about 1:30 a.m., he looked at Renzo and told him "It was nice knowing you. I'm not going to see you for a while."

Renzo said he thought was the alcohol talking.

***

Jessop was raised in Pinesdale. He is a 2001 Corvallis graduate who had been working at the Hamilton Police Department since 2008.

On Jan. 1, he came on shift at 4:45 p.m. and was scheduled to get off work 10 hours later, at 2:45 a.m.

That night, Jessop first saw Davis talking to two Hamilton police officers.

The officers were questioning Davis about battery cables that had been cut on his girlfriend's car. The officers told Jessop that Davis was heavily intoxicated and had been warned not to drive.

Not long afterward, Jessop spotted Davis' Lincoln Navigator driving north of Second Street. He pulled in behind and followed the vehicle as it turned on Adirondack Street. When Davis used a turn lane to drive straight through the next intersection, Jessop turned on his lights.

Davis crossed the railroad tracks on Fairgrounds Road and pulled over on a patch of dirt almost directly across from the fairgrounds entrance.

Jessop activated his spotlight, then saw something he'd never before seen during a traffic stop: Davis reached out and slowly adjusted his mirror so he could see the officer.

"That's very unusual," Jessop testified. "Our spotlights are very bright and they hurt your eyes."

Most people immediately turn their mirrors so the light is reflected away from their face, he said.

"At that point, I was caught off guard," Jessop said. "I approached with a little more caution than I usually do."

***

Jessop could smell the alcohol on Davis as soon as he neared the window. He asked the man how much he'd had to drink that night.

"Plenty," came the reply.

Jessop said the face that stared out the window that night was hard to describe.

"It was argumentative ... very sure of himself, almost cocky."

Jessop asked him what he meant by plenty. A split second later the officer was staring down the barrel of Davis' .41 Magnum Smith & Wesson pistol.

"The end looked bigger than a quarter," Jessop said.

Jessop heard a click.

Davis pulled the trigger and the hammer fell on an empty round.

"My very first thought - after I realized it was a revolver - was I was terrified. Absolutely terrified," Jessop testified. "I recall thinking I wasn't going to see my wife again. I wasn't going to see my mom, my brothers or my sisters, or my co-workers or my dogs. I was terrified."

Jessop moved his face away from the threat as fast as he could.

"I did hear the click," he said. "I remember stopping. I was actually hoping it was just a joke ... I remember thinking why would you do that to an officer."

And then he saw Davis' head readjust.

"I remember thinking the reason he's readjusting his head is he's going to shoot again," Jessop said.

He ran toward the back of Davis' vehicle, while drawing his Glock 22.

He heard a gunshot.

"My next thought was I had to defend myself and eliminate the threat to me," Jessop said. "I don't recall drawing my weapon. I do remember my first shot. I was conscious that I was shooting my gun."

Jessop thought he'd fired seven or eight rounds. It turned out he'd fired 14.

Six bullets hit Davis' vehicle, including the one that drove through the passenger and driver's seats and into Davis' back.

After Davis' vehicle struck a building and came to a stop, Jessop loaded his rifle and got in his car and moved closer.

Ravalli County Attorney George Corn asked him why - after he'd nearly been killed - did he move closer to his assailant.

"My duty as an officer is to make sure the community is safe," Jessop said. "I had no idea if I hit him or not. My thought was to get close enough to keep the area safe and keep myself safe."

Davis was dead when he was pulled from his vehicle by officers not long afterward.

***

John Pohle, the Powell County coroner, presided over Tuesday's inquest.

The investigation of the shooting was completed by the Missoula Police Department, and the investigative team testified Tuesday.

Missoula Police Lt. Steve Brester, who led the investigation, said Jan. 1 wasn't the first time Davis had been on the wrong side of the law.

Davis was a registered violent offender with a criminal history going back 10 years, including a felony conviction for assault on a police officer.

At the end of the hearing, Corn called Brester to the stand one last time.

By now, Jessop was sitting in the front row, flanked by his fellow officers. His wife was sitting a row back and other supporters filled the courtroom.

Corn wanted Brester's professional opinion: Was it necessary for Jessop to shoot Davis?

"My opinion is that Mr. Davis purposely put his .41 Magnum into the face of Officer Jessop with the intention of killing him," Brester replied. "Officer Jessop had no choice but to respond with lethal force."

The jury agreed unanimously.
 
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Worst part about this is that this officer even had to spend one day in court over this. Prosecutor should have just let it go.
 
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With this video, this should have never made it to court, what a joke our legal system is. This guy tried to take the LEO's life, that should justify lethal force every time.
 
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"Witnesses testified Tuesday that Davis' taste for whiskey and a bad case of jealousy were to blame for the fatal confrontation"

NO!, pulling & firing on a police officer was fatal

joke our legal system
 
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Traffic Stops are NEVER "Routine" if you fall into that trap you may find yourself in a bad situation.
 
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It's a shame that 13 bullets were wasted .............just sad .

Glad the officer took out the POS and was able to see his family again.
 
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Wow, I'm surprised this didn't make our news over here.

Can't believe it had to go as far as an inquest.


Although the Seattle LEO who killed the suspect responsible for killing the 4 Lakewood, WA LEOs had to go through the same process.

Pretty frickin sad IMO.

Only question, and granted I in no way think I understand how to think like a cop but in the article it says he already was approaching with caution. Why if he was already leery didn't he have the guy step out of approach at the ready (meaning hand on weapon)? I've seen plenty of times where an officer has a reason to feel uneasy and at minimum they'll approach one hand on the flashlight and the other at the ready.

Whatever the reason someone somewhere was looking out for him because that first round would not have ended well if it was live.
 
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Glad the cards were on the officers side, they could have easily played the other way.
 
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Quite a scary video.

Prior to that, I thought it was a very professional stop. The officer was nice and everything.
 
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He may have cleared the shooting but he'll still have a complaint filed on him for saying 'SH&T' on the audio recording.

If you think that's a joke, you havnt worked with some of the chickensh&t mf'er's i;ve worked with / for.
 
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I don't know if it's standard everywhere but here any and every police action shooting which results in death must be reviewed by the Grand Jury. Getting a subpoena to testify as a defendant in a murder investigation isn't a lot of fun.
 
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A fleeing felon gets shot dead by the cop that he just tried to kill. What am I missing here that let this go to court?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting a subpoena to testify as a defendant in a murder investigation isn't a lot of fun.</div></div>

What happens if the defendant refuses to testify?
 
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I had read somewhere that the officers wife was in the passenger seat on a ride along. Never a good idea to let family ride along with you. Let them ride with another officer if they HAVE to go.
 
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Shooting at the cops earns you a bullet. Thankfully the officer got the bastard, textbook justified shooting.
 
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trial is always shitty for police, but then again look what happened with the officer that shot the guy leaving the school track with his two daughters after their morning walk because "he thought it not safe for his daughters to leave with him."

for cops like that, there needs to be trial.

for cops like jessop, that should be let go.

every time i read this stuff i just want to get in a department even more. i seriously cannot wait to be a police officer.
 
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"That night, Jessop first saw Davis talking to two Hamilton police officers.

The officers were questioning Davis about battery cables that had been cut on his girlfriend's car. The officers told Jessop that Davis was heavily intoxicated and had been warned not to drive."

Thank God the gun didn't have a live bullet when the bastard first tried to kill Jessop. The only question is why did the first officers allow the turd free when they saw he was heavily intoxicated. That didn't make sense to me. What am I missing?
 
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Was there any backstory here? Overzealoous prosecutor or something? Not sure with the video evidence why this officer was required to appear in court.
 
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possibly because he was firing at a fleeing vehicle, which makes him no longer an imminent threat, but he did the right thing by eliminating the threat before the situation escalated.

I work for brinks and i know its much different but they teach us to only shoot if the threat is imminent, not if they are fleeing.
just saying, it may have to do with that, i dont know
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sictransitjosh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">possibly because he was firing at a fleeing vehicle, which makes him no longer an imminent threat, but he did the right thing by eliminating the threat before the situation escalated.

I work for brinks and i know its much different but they teach us to only shoot if the threat is imminent, not if they are fleeing.
just saying, it may have to do with that, i dont know </div></div>

You can see that although the first round wasn't chambered in the revolver the guy fired a shot back with the second chamber while speeding away so he's still an imminent threat.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sictransitjosh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">possibly because he was firing at a fleeing vehicle, which makes him no longer an imminent threat, but he did the right thing by eliminating the threat before the situation escalated.

I work for brinks and i know its much different but they teach us to only shoot if the threat is imminent, not if they are fleeing.
just saying, it may have to do with that, i dont know </div></div>

You can see that although the first round wasn't chambered in the revolver the guy fired a shot back with the second chamber while speeding away so he's still an imminent threat. </div></div>

It comes down to MT law on treatment of fleeing felons who have just committed or who are thought ready to commit "forcible felonies." In many states they get a green light, so to speak.
 
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Glad to see officer is safe to see his family.

Now what happens when an average Joe gets fired on like that, and he returns fire like the officer did ? I know in MN, you would be up the creek without a paddle.
 
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First I am not LE. Im glad that everything went well for the officer. I may get flamed for this...but what happens if there is a innocent in the car with him? I mean the story mentions a GF who was afraid of him. I know the officer has to defend himself...but shooting through a dark tinted glass of a car driving away seems like a good way to hit whoever happens to be in the car...I understand guilt by association. Maybe thats the first thing you are supposed to do is figure out who/how many are in the car, and he had already figured that part out...not trying to be a doucher but when the shooting started my first thought was " i hope there isnt anybody else in the car"...
 
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The only thing routine about this traffic stop was the officers attitude. The officer was way to complacent on this traffic stop. He is a very lucky man. I am glad he is lucky and did not get shot and managed to fight his way out of this. He walked to the vehicle and stood squared up to the window and gave the bad guy a good shot at him. He also had his flash light in his gun hand which is why it took it him longer to draw his weapon. He was not mentaly prepaired for what just happened because he thought he was in control (this guy is just drunk) and had let his guard down. Those three things are drilled into every police cadet from day one (or should be). He is a lucky man. Had he been in a better mind set he would have been reacting and doing less thinking about never seeing ... again. Yes, I am arm chair quarter backing. I have been where this man was and I was also lucky.

Never give your foe and advantage (squaring up on to the drivers window and giving them a good shot at you), Never dwell on dieing, focus on fighting and living. Never hold anything in your gun hand if possible, it could be a fatal error. Always remember "be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you see".

I have made every mistake possible while protecting and serving. I try not to do them twice if possible. Focus on the basics and you'll go far.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LongArm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing routine about this traffic stop was the officers attitude. The officer was way to complacent on this traffic stop. He is a very lucky man. I am glad he is lucky and did not get shot and managed to fight his way out of this. He walked to the vehicle and stood squared up to the window and gave the bad guy a good shot at him. He also had his flash light in his gun hand which is why it took it him longer to draw his weapon. He was not mentaly prepaired for what just happened because he thought he was in control (this guy is just drunk) and had let his guard down. Those three things are drilled into every police cadet from day one (or should be). He is a lucky man. Had he been in a better mind set he would have been reacting and doing less thinking about never seeing ... again. Yes, I am arm chair quarter backing. I have been where this man was and I was also lucky.

Never give your foe and advantage (squaring up on to the drivers window and giving them a good shot at you), Never dwell on dieing, focus on fighting and living. Never hold anything in your gun hand if possible, it could be a fatal error. Always remember "be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you see".

I have made every mistake possible while protecting and serving. I try not to do them twice if possible. Focus on the basics and you'll go far. </div></div>



How many times do you think he will get shot at before he doesnt do that again? I am willing to bet that was the first and last. He was a click of the hammer away from hearing the bag pipes. scary stuff.
 
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I dought he will do it again, and hopefully will point it out to others as a learning moment.

I am just glad he is ok and the bad guy is not.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sictransitjosh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">possibly because he was firing at a fleeing vehicle, which makes him no longer an imminent threat, but he did the right thing by eliminating the threat before the situation escalated.

I work for brinks and i know its much different but they teach us to only shoot if the threat is imminent, not if they are fleeing.
just saying, it may have to do with that, i dont know </div></div>

You can see that although the first round wasn't chambered in the revolver the guy fired a shot back with the second chamber while speeding away so he's still an imminent threat. </div></div>

It comes down to MT law on treatment of fleeing felons who have just committed or who are thought ready to commit "forcible felonies." In many states they get a green light, so to speak.</div></div>

Tennessee v. Williams.
 
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On the argument of innocents in the car: he had already been at the driver window so presumably saw whom was/wasn't inside. Second, why wouldn't he expect compliance? The guy pulled over, don't most LE run driver license # before approach, so he wouldn't assume a problem? Not like a stolen vehicle driving erratically. I thought his reaction time and response were decent under the circumstances.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B101ABN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sictransitjosh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">possibly because he was firing at a fleeing vehicle, which makes him no longer an imminent threat, but he did the right thing by eliminating the threat before the situation escalated.

I work for brinks and i know its much different but they teach us to only shoot if the threat is imminent, not if they are fleeing.
just saying, it may have to do with that, i dont know </div></div>

You can see that although the first round wasn't chambered in the revolver the guy fired a shot back with the second chamber while speeding away so he's still an imminent threat. </div></div>

It comes down to MT law on treatment of fleeing felons who have just committed or who are thought ready to commit "forcible felonies." In many states they get a green light, so to speak.</div></div>

Tennessee v. Williams. </div></div>

Got a case number at least?
 
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Start looking, Veer. In about 100 years or so, you should find the right one. LoL


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I am thankful for the officer surviving. I am also thankful for him killing that sob and not wasting our taxpayers money on what would of been a longer trial and housing fee had he survived.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sictransitjosh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">trial is always shitty for police, but then again look what happened with the officer that shot the guy leaving the school track with his two daughters after their morning walk because "he thought it not safe for his daughters to leave with him."

for cops like that, there needs to be trial.

for cops like jessop, that should be let go.

every time i read this stuff i just want to get in a department even more. i seriously cannot wait to be a police officer. </div></div>

every time you read about cops shooting somebody, it makes you want to be a cop? In that case, you are the last person that should be a police officer. you would be the kind of officer that made the others look bad. sorry if the truth pisses you off.
 
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I don't have any problem with the shooting or its' outcome or the judicial decision. I share the sentiment of most--this shouldn't have even had a hearing.

But here's a hypothetical question: If that'd been me on the street as a private citizen (no LEO status) and someone took a shot at me and drove off, would I be justified in shooting a fleeing assailant? I thought the law states that since he's fleeing "the threat is over". As a private citizen wouldn't I be in a world of shit if I (w/o LEO status) killed someone in exactly the same scenario? Would video help me at all?
 
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Raymond Thane Davis, seemed like such a nice boy, that anyone would want to have as a cell mate.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tennessee Vs Garner maybe?: LINK </div></div>

LOOOL. I was distracted by the news....Got me fair and square....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frank Cordrey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's a shame that 13 bullets were wasted .............just sad .

Glad the officer took out the POS and was able to see his family again. </div></div>

Bullets are cheap, I would by the officer a box of bullets.