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No, but you may wanna rethink it. Apparently using those in a self defense situation is a bad idea because it can be shown you weren't truly in fear of your life because you weren't willing to use lethal ammo. Those rubber bullets can do tremendous damage and are lethal to the head and possibly heart if the KE is high enough.
Trust me, I dug around looking stuff up on non-lethals some time back. You'd think having the first round chambered with a rubber slug would make the fuckers whining about firearms and shit happy but somehow it always backfires on you.
I'm guessing a lot of people are buying it up thinking they're gonna stop rioters.
I don't think there's an instance where civilians can use non-lethals in an offensive role without being fucked with by another set of criminals.
Trust me, I dug around looking stuff up on non-lethals some time back. You'd think having the first round chambered with a rubber slug would make the fuckers whining about firearms and shit happy but somehow it always backfires on you.
I'm guessing a lot of people are buying it up thinking they're gonna stop rioters.
I don't think there's an instance where civilians can use non-lethals in an offensive role without being fucked with by another set of criminals.
If I’m in fear for my life, I want the threat stopped ASAP.... I don’t be wanna try rubber bullets first and hope that works.
If I’m not in fear for my life, I’m not shooting anything out of a gun at them
If I’m not in fear for my life, I’m not shooting anything out of a gun at them
how do you use the rubber buckshot? Chase deer out of the yard?
If lethal is not needed on a human, then something that can take an eye is not in my kit... pepper spray works for that need...
If lethal is needed, OO is the starting point for a shotgun.....
Almost everything is sold out across the country... we sold a shit ton of guns this year... and a few hundred to thousand rounds with each new gun
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Any more details as to why you need any brand/ type of rubber buckshot?
Can we teach you about reloading or switching factory ammo to Navy beans and or Rocksalt?
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ok, let's dream up a use...since i have a box of S&B rubber buck...
i am on one side of a fence and some antifatards are trying to climb over it to get to me or past me.
i am not in danger for real unless they get over the fence.
if i get close enough to the fence to knock them off from my side, i can be struck by brick, stones, pepper spray or other antifa weaponry.
i might use rubber buck to discourage them without killing anyone, and follow up with 00 buck if that doesn't work.
i am on one side of a fence and some antifatards are trying to climb over it to get to me or past me.
i am not in danger for real unless they get over the fence.
if i get close enough to the fence to knock them off from my side, i can be struck by brick, stones, pepper spray or other antifa weaponry.
i might use rubber buck to discourage them without killing anyone, and follow up with 00 buck if that doesn't work.
and when you shoot one of those antifa tards in the eye with a rubber bullet and kill them...how are you going to explain to the police that you "didnt fear for your life" but thought you would shoot at them anyways?
in pretty much every state, the use of a firearms is considered "deadly force"....regardless of what you are shooting out of it.
and you cant use deadly force because someone MIGHT pose a threat
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Other problem is when one these rubber bullets hits them in the face and they lose their eye but live....you will never financially recover from that.
I know I saw during these riots a couple of them had that happen to them and they are suing the city.
I know I saw during these riots a couple of them had that happen to them and they are suing the city.
A roaring chainsaw or weed eater might discourage people from jumping over the fence.
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so you shoot ant hills with the most expensive ammo.... ok
anywho -
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come at me like this, i don't give a fuck about your fucking eyes.
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i can fear for my life, even if they are not over the fence yet.
if what you say happens, at least i will know i wasn't intentionally trying to kill them (yet)
the risk of being arrested won't stop me from protecting my family.
so is your life in danger or not?
might want to get your story straight before you decide to use lethal force.
yes, if nothing stops them from getting over the fence, or cutting a lock on a gate.
just like you would be in danger from a guy with a knife even though he is still 20' away.
the difference in this scenario is that i have at least some time to try something less lethal, even if the real buckshot must be sent seconds later.
so you shoot ant hills with the most expensive ammo.... ok
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It’s really not that expensive.
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the stuff is illegal where I live
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the stuff is illegal where I live
If you're worried about illegality of using rubber shot,using this stuff will remove all doubt.
9-1-1 whats your emergency
A bunch of people in hoodies are on fire and burning down everything they bump into....
A bunch of people in hoodies are on fire and burning down everything they bump into....
Every red blooded American needs a flamethrower!
Anyone actually had to use a gun to save their life (outside of a military or police situation)? I have. On my own property. I'm alive today because of a Beretta Nano 9mm. One round fired.
Let's be clear.
In 100% of states, if you take the intruder's life, you risk being charged with murder. Even if 100% is right, and you are charged, you will be saddled with AT LEAST $50K in legal bills to get the charge dropped (and that's BEFORE going to any form of trial). It'll cost you between $6,000 and $20,000 (depending on how snazzy of a lawyer you get and the laws in your state) to represent your rights to prevent you from getting charged in the first place unless you want to roll the dice.
In states that actually respect your right to self-defense (as much as they can these days), you may never get charged. But it's up to the Distict Attorney. A single person interprets the law and the police's account of the situation and holds your fate in their hands.
It's not up to the officer who bumped you on the shoulder and said you did the right thing. It's not up to the NRA. It's up to someone who could be anti-gun and anti-defense (or even someone who doesn't like you because of the color of your skin, your gender, or maybe your wife's sister is their ex and she cheated on him).
I encourage everyone to not joke around about defending yourself. You defend yourself with what will END the threat as humanely (meaning quickly) and safely (meaning bullets won't fly through walls into your children or your neighbor's house) as possible.
Be smart. Rubber rounds are for crowd control and getting yourself sued.
Let's be clear.
In 100% of states, if you take the intruder's life, you risk being charged with murder. Even if 100% is right, and you are charged, you will be saddled with AT LEAST $50K in legal bills to get the charge dropped (and that's BEFORE going to any form of trial). It'll cost you between $6,000 and $20,000 (depending on how snazzy of a lawyer you get and the laws in your state) to represent your rights to prevent you from getting charged in the first place unless you want to roll the dice.
In states that actually respect your right to self-defense (as much as they can these days), you may never get charged. But it's up to the Distict Attorney. A single person interprets the law and the police's account of the situation and holds your fate in their hands.
It's not up to the officer who bumped you on the shoulder and said you did the right thing. It's not up to the NRA. It's up to someone who could be anti-gun and anti-defense (or even someone who doesn't like you because of the color of your skin, your gender, or maybe your wife's sister is their ex and she cheated on him).
I encourage everyone to not joke around about defending yourself. You defend yourself with what will END the threat as humanely (meaning quickly) and safely (meaning bullets won't fly through walls into your children or your neighbor's house) as possible.
Be smart. Rubber rounds are for crowd control and getting yourself sued.
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not 100%, Florida has a preemption against prosecution for lawful use of force by statute.
for me it would be a simple matter of identifying the reason you want to shoot anything.... if the motivation is that there is clear and present danger, and you are being threatened intentionally by a mob of people dead set on forcing you to submit to them, then your motivation is clear.... you want to prevent them from achieving their goal at the expense of you and yours... playing nice with them, when they aren't doing the same, is a waste of time.... in which case, your rubber bullets are a waste of money, and ineffectual... I have a 12 ga remington 870 desert recon... bought it several years ago for a pack string trip into the Absaroka Wilderness outside of Yellowstone... not my first choice in a situation, but my backup... for it, I have 12 ga 00... when it starts to rain, I want an umbrella, not cellophane...
Yes- I have had people at gunpoint...
My first time I got lucky... It work me up and I started taking formal training....
My first time I got lucky... It work me up and I started taking formal training....
Warning shots are not a thing here. By law, if you shoot, deadly force must be justified.
i already gave one example of when i personally might use it, not because i am inclined, or imagine myself in that situation.
but since it was largely ignored, maybe you or another would put yourself in this predicament.
there is a gang of antifa types on the other side of a gate. the fence itself is formidable, but the chain on the gate is the weak point.
the terrorists are throwing things, but the height of the fence forces them to lob the projectiles, making them less dangerous (for now).
you can see many of the thugs holding machetes, clubs, baseball bats and others weapons, but you don't see any guns in the open.
they are screaming that they are going to kill you (and anyone on your side of the fence). there is no other way out for you are your family.
one of them produces a hacksaw and they start cutting at the chain or lock.
you have a shotgun, and it has eight rounds of 00 buck, but not enough for the 30-40 criminals on the other side.
you also have box of rubber buckshot, because some idiot dropped it and it happens to be in your pocket.
do you:
wait for them to breach the fence, and take your chances.
start shooting them dead before they cut the lock or chain.
try plugging them with that stupid rubber shit just in case it convinces them to go raid someplace else, and revert to 00 buck if that doesn't do anything.
my answer? plug the dude with the saw with rubber, and warn them whoever picks up the hacksaw gets a hole in their chest. - itg
in that extremely unlikely scenario that you dreamed up specifically to make rubber shot seem like a good idea.....sure.i already gave one example of when i personally might use it, not because i am inclined, or imagine myself in that situation.
but since it was largely ignored, maybe you or another would put yourself in this predicament.
there is a gang of antifa types on the other side of a gate. the fence itself is formidable, but the chain on the gate is the weak point.
the terrorists are throwing things, but the height of the fence forces them to lob the projectiles, making them less dangerous (for now).
you can see many of the thugs holding machetes, clubs, baseball bats and others weapons, but you don't see any guns in the open.
they are screaming that they are going to kill you (and anyone on your side of the fence). there is no other way out for you are your family.
one of them produces a hacksaw and they start cutting at the chain or lock.
you have a shotgun, and it has eight rounds of 00 buck, but not enough for the 30-40 criminals on the other side.
you also have box of rubber buckshot, because some idiot dropped it and it happens to be in your pocket.
do you:
wait for them to breach the fence, and take your chances.
start shooting them dead before they cut the lock or chain.
try plugging them with that stupid rubber shit just in case it convinces them to go raid someplace else, and revert to 00 buck if that doesn't do anything.
my answer? plug the dude with the saw with rubber, and warn them whoever picks up the hacksaw gets a hole in their chest. - itg
but in what world am i going to have only a hand full of 00 rounds, but boxes and boxes of rubber shot someone just gave me for some reason?
hey mang, give me a break. i didn't say it was easy to think of a reason, just that it was possible.
Years back I was ROing a stage at a shoot... one guy had a .357 and it was loaded with snake shot...
Most of the event had steel plates, but some stages had Soda Cans and Clays... I asked him if this was his cheat...
He explained that he liked snake shot for home protection...
His thought process was:
-The gun will scare them away
- I purchased a stainless gun so the reflection will intimidate them
- The snake shot will sting them and they will leave.....
This guy was an I.I. .... Intentionally Incompetent- it's the hidden 5th level of consciousness
( https://blog.beretta.com/consciousness-and-competence-in-firearms-training )
This entire self defense thing is overthought.... with some silliness in our process...
I'm amazed how many folks still thing that #8's are fine for home defense....
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I hope you purchased the ammo you wanted...
I love the Ant Hill answer
And I'm Disappointed with myself.... I never suggested the Wildlife Control M80 Round
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Most of the event had steel plates, but some stages had Soda Cans and Clays... I asked him if this was his cheat...
He explained that he liked snake shot for home protection...
His thought process was:
-The gun will scare them away
- I purchased a stainless gun so the reflection will intimidate them
- The snake shot will sting them and they will leave.....
This guy was an I.I. .... Intentionally Incompetent- it's the hidden 5th level of consciousness
( https://blog.beretta.com/consciousness-and-competence-in-firearms-training )
This entire self defense thing is overthought.... with some silliness in our process...
I'm amazed how many folks still thing that #8's are fine for home defense....
OP-
I hope you purchased the ammo you wanted...
I love the Ant Hill answer
And I'm Disappointed with myself.... I never suggested the Wildlife Control M80 Round
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meh, i am not personally suggesting anyone do anything, but i will note that the navy fires warning shots for some reasons.
To be fair, Navy also doesn't have to worry about the local DA deciding to destroy its life just so he can look good during re-election time.
And it's not like the fish are gonna sue it either.
true that, but if i am going to be charged, i'd rather it be for rubber buckshot than blowing a hole is some loser.
if the buckshot doesn't so anything to stop them, it hardly matters that i tried it first.
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