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Russia's Staggering Losses In Ukraine

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Russia has lost as many troops in the last 7 months of fighting in Ukraine, (almost 54,000), than we lost in 10 YEARS in Vietnam! Their equipment losses are even more staggering.

This war is going horribly wrong for Putin. It is devastating Russia both morally, as well as economically. They can't keep this up, and Putin knows it. Last week someone from his elite inner circle gave up his location. They hit his limousine, and damaged it.

Ukraine is now taking back captured Russian territory with the advanced weapons they're receiving from us and other countries. The Javelin Missiles are proving to be devastating to their tanks and armored personnel carriers.

The people of Russia are turning against him, and he is on borrowed time. It's only a matter of time before they get him. He has cost the politically powerful Russian oligarchs there billions of dollars in seized property and currency worldwide. They are NOT happy with him.... And remember, they are the ones who put him in, and keep him in power.

And even if these numbers are inflated by 50%, it is still staggering.

www.ukrinform.net

Russia’s military death toll in Ukraine rises to 53,850

From February 24 to September 15, the Armed Forces of Ukraine eliminated about 53,850 Russian soldiers, including 200 servicemen over the past day. — Ukrinform.
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I will leave it up to others to debate if the US should be involved...but it's true that Russia is getting it's ass kicked. In either case, I am of the belief that this war should have never taken place, so in a way that puts me squarely on the Ukrainian's side for sure. The Russians never had any business going there in the first place.

Javelins are one thing, HIMARs are another. We gave them a weapons platform that can be driven almost anywhere, set up in just a few minutes, and hit targets with a one meter accuracy out to something like 180 miles. I saw the other day those shots were delivered with an over 90% hit rate too. The Russians quite simply have no answer for that. Plus by the time they can even locate where a shot came from, the vehicle is long gone.

That however is just one aspect of the war. The Russians were just going because they were told to...and with extremely shitty kit, and shittier planning, support, and leadership. The Ukrainians on the other hand were defending what they hold dear. There are a whole host of things that spelled trouble for the Russians. Having deeply entrenched (and motivated) people occupying fortified high ground-- and with vastly superior technology... it is going bad for them.

As for Russians as a whole, I think there is substantial opposition to this war, and there has been from the start. The average Russian is simply caught in the middle. No one generally speaking would be cheering the deaths of their own troops. Nobody wants to see that, so the average Russian is sympathetic in that way. If they protested against the war though they would be arrested and it could easily have extremely long term backlash against them. Prison on one hand or basically being persecuted and black balled from society on the other, but even with that a ton of people are and always have been against this entire action. Honestly I feel sorry for those people because they are caught up in a mess they never ever wanted and which they opposed from the start. But they are/were essentially powerless to stop it. So with that I am not going to shit-talk the average Russian that feels that way. Not to mention that before all of this happened, a whole lot of Russians were great friends with a whole lot of Ukrainians.

There is so much propaganda out there though--a lot of Russians really don't know what to think so some actually do support the war. Some are gung ho, others very reluctant. All of them though are having to face a grim reality though. Getting your ass kicked is never fun and then on top of that having families all over having to deal with death or severe injuries is not cool at all.

Again, all of this happened basically because of the ego of one man. They are all paying very very dearly for his screw ups. If I were a betting man, I would say in the coming weeks/months things are going to get more spicy in Moscow over this.
 
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alamo5000 said:
Again, all of this happened basically because of the ego of one man. They are all paying very very dearly for his screw ups. If I were a betting man, I would say in the coming weeks/months things are going to get more spicy in Moscow over this.
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That is what this whole thing basically boils down to. Putin did NOT have to do this. As you said, this whole thing was ego driven. He is finished as a global leader anywhere on the world stage.

And more importantly he has shown his military forces are not what everyone thought they were cracked up to be. The biggest worry now is the fact he has proven himself to be somewhat illogical, as well as unstable. And he has nukes....... With a big ego to go along with them. And that is NOT a good combination.

I'm starting to believe that little piss pot in North Korea has more common sense than this guy.
 
alamo5000 said:
I will leave it up to others to debate if the US should be involved...but it's true that Russia is getting it's ass kicked. In either case, I am of the belief that this war should have never taken place, so in a way that puts me squarely on the Ukrainian's side for sure. The Russians never had any business going there in the first place.

Javelins are one thing, HIMARs are another. We gave them a weapons platform that can be driven almost anywhere, set up in just a few minutes, and hit targets with a one meter accuracy out to something like 180 miles. I saw the other day those shots were delivered with an over 90% hit rate too. The Russians quite simply have no answer for that. Plus by the time they can even locate where a shot came from, the vehicle is long gone.

That however is just one aspect of the war. The Russians were just going because they were told to...and with extremely shitty kit, and shittier planning, support, and leadership. The Ukrainians on the other hand were defending what they hold dear. There are a whole host of things that spelled trouble for the Russians. Having deeply entrenched (and motivated) people occupying fortified high ground-- and with vastly superior technology... it is going bad for them.

As for Russians as a whole, I think there is substantial opposition to this war, and there has been from the start. The average Russian is simply caught in the middle. No one generally speaking would be cheering the deaths of their own troops. Nobody wants to see that, so the average Russian is sympathetic in that way. If they protested against the war though they would be arrested and it could easily have extremely long term backlash against them. Prison on one hand or basically being persecuted and black balled from society on the other, but even with that a ton of people are and always have been against this entire action. Honestly I feel sorry for those people because they are caught up in a mess they never ever wanted and which they opposed from the start. But they are/were essentially powerless to stop it. So with that I am not going to shit-talk the average Russian that feels that way. Not to mention that before all of this happened, a whole lot of Russians were great friends with a whole lot of Ukrainians.

There is so much propaganda out there though--a lot of Russians really don't know what to think so some actually do support the war. Some are gung ho, others very reluctant. All of them though are having to face a grim reality though. Getting your ass kicked is never fun and then on top of that having families all over having to deal with death or severe injuries is not cool at all.

Again, all of this happened basically because of the ego of one man. They are all paying very very dearly for his screw ups. If I were a betting man, I would say in the coming weeks/months things are going to get more spicy in Moscow over this.
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Propaganda goes both ways and is not secluded to just Russia.
 
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Propaganda goes both ways and is not secluded to just Russia.
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No doubt about that. The US has so much propaganda it's not even funny. The world is literally awash in the stuff, and not just here. In fact there is probably just as much, if not more propaganda in the US as there is anywhere else in the world. Everything from the so called 'election' on to flattening the curve, there is very little to be trusted these days.
 
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I hate to say it....beat someone down long enough they will make drastic decisions. This will just create another level of subversive acts across the globe.
 
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MtnCreek said:
West is committing suicide. But as long as putin gets replaced with some shylock and turns russia gay, it's a win fo sho.
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I've said it before... The EU is a bigger threat to freedom-minded human beings than Putin/Russia could ever be.

And we here in the US have been doing the door kicking for the EU under the guise of NATO obligations for a while.

Once we've kicked all the doors, ousted all the bad actors, and turned every country into a model European socialist welfare state... What happens to us?

This may very well be the end of Putin. My question is, which country is next after they get some globalist faggot sock puppet installed in Russia?

Mike
 
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I agree the war should never have happened. Putin did exactly what the globalists wanted and Ukraine should feel our hate for letting their people and country accept the pain of allowing that setup.

That said......

Why is anyone believing any media after being bald faced lied to going on three years?

Kamala just stared at you in a camera and said the border is secure.

My sponge like news gathering says Russia underestimated, Russia wanted to fight a war that did not leave the devastations of Chechnya. If Russia really threw the blood into it perhaps it goes the other way but it does so at the cost of Ukraine's leaders willingly letting their people be slaughtered knowing full well they just move to Geneva when it's over.

We are the baddies in this.
 
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GreenGO Juan said:
Whats the source for + 50,000 deaths of Russian soldiers?
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The media said so.

Note the latest news of the "mass grave".

Since when do mass graves have markers with names.

Sounds to me like Russia buried those killed in combat and tried to some extent to identify the dead.

We used Japanese dead as runway fill.
 
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OkieMike said:
I've said it before... The EU is a bigger threat to freedom-minded human beings than Putin/Russia could ever be.

And we here in the US have been doing the door kicking for the EU under the guise of NATO obligations for a while.

Once we've kicked all the doors, ousted all the bad actors, and turned every country into a model European socialist welfare state... What happens to us?

This may very well be the end of Putin. My question is, which country is next after they get some globalist faggot sock puppet installed in Russia?

Mike
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Russia has an economy smaller than California.

But Russia has nukes and thankfully Cali does not cause Swallwell would use them.

We are doing everything we can to goad Putin into using them.

That should scare the fuck out of you.
 
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billt said:
That is what this whole thing basically boils down to. Putin did NOT have to do this. As you said, this whole thing was ego driven. He is finished as a global leader anywhere on the world stage.

And more importantly he has shown his military forces are not what everyone thought they were cracked up to be. The biggest worry now is the fact he has proven himself to be somewhat illogical, as well as unstable. And he has nukes....... With a big ego to go along with them. And that is NOT a good combination.

I'm starting to believe that little piss pot in North Korea has more common sense than this guy.
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It wasn't ego.

He said he doesn't want an outdated organization that was formed to ensure the destruction of his landmass at a time they were communist on his border.

Would we allow ISIS to take Mexico? It's bad enough they have Canada.

Now Putin runs a mafia like oligarchical crime syndicate.

Crime syndicates rely on building their power and keeping limits on their crime to the extent the law will not destroy them.

Once upon a time our organized crime would not kill cops because they knew it would bring the heat upon them.

So Putin was content building his wealth fucking his resource rich country.....truth is in doing so he actually improved the life of the people over that they knew under Communism.

Globalists can't have this segregated monstrosity in their midst.

If Putin won't reach out and kill the cop than the globalists brought the cop to him and created the situation of a reverse "suicide by cop".
 
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Don’t forget Russia has these
 
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What’s the long term goal for Russia? If this is A Putin ego thing they lose. However, I was listening to a MI guy on Cleared Hot a couple weeks ago and he is convinced it’s a longer term plan.

Ukraine is the bread basket for the EU. They also produce most of the fertilizer for Africa. If Russia is to take the ports in Ukraine, they can shut off the food supply to Africa. A year or two of that and he proposed you’d see massive migration out of Africa and into the EU, overwhelming the economy’s and essentially eliminating EU NATO as a threat for decades at least.

If this second hypothesis is even close to real, and Russia wins the Donbas and the ports, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.
 
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alamo5000 said:
No doubt about that. The US has so much propaganda it's not even funny.
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You can see it on this forum in every Ukraine thread.

When this shit first happened there were geniuses proclaiming that Russia was trying to save Ukraine from the Globohomo Conspiracy, that Russia was going to win in 48hrs, that Russia was going to win in 2 weeks, that Russia had already won and the fighting was all on green screens, plus we had the crotchety boomer types who still hate The Reds popping up here and there saying we need WW3 to keep Russia from invading the USA lol.
 
Has anyone gotten an actual real, not propaganda filled accounting of what the Ukraine losses have been?
I suspect the Ukrainians have lost a lot more in personnel, equipment and infrastructure than we are being told.

This is essentially a hot proxy war between the USA and Russia, where the USA is providing the weapons, providing the intelligence, providing the battle planning and commands and probably providing plenty of "advisors" on the ground as well. Probably also flying the "Ukranian drones" as well.

The Russians walked into a trap the CIA had carefully planned and goaded them into. They didn't realize it until it was way too late to get away with making a quick discrete withdrawl.

It's hard to say at this point how things will go, but I think it would be dangerous to automatically assume the Russians will just decide to roll over and accept a humiliating utter defeat and losing how badly nobody knows, without giving it everything they have first.

The Russians are doing the good old standby of emptying out the prisons for bulk fodder troops, that says they are preparing for a long, brutal fight with heavy losses. They've probably got half a million prisoners they can force onto the front lines if they have to, good old communist style, rifle in their hands and commissar with a pistol behind them. Unlike the west who's public cannot stand heavy losses for any length of time, the Russians just like the Chinese can absorb much heavier losses, especially by making sure most of the losses are those who "don't matter much".

At this time, I doubt the CIA handlers will let the Ukraine accept a peace agreement that does not include utter humiliation for Russia.
The Russians probably badly want out of the war, but also understand they are stuck keeping up the fight at some level until the CIA runs out of enough Ukranian bodies and the European economy contracts enough that the other side is willing to be serious about a peace deal everybody can live with.

I would say that those listening to the western propaganda without doing a bunch of thinking for themselves, and expecting a quick sudden victory and utter vanquishing of the evil eastern horde and everyone home for Christmas to celebrate may find things don't quite work out as they were promised.
Much the same as those who listened to Russian propaganda that they were marching in and on the verge of total victory, were rather disappointed.

In the end, whatever happens this will be a nice big win for the CIA and a huge win for the finances of corrupt politicians not only here but all over the west, and the Military Industrial Complex will be giddy with joy at all the purchases and expenditure of expensive weapons systems that of course must be replaced right away.

The losers will be as always, most directly the working class in the Ukraine, the working class in Russia and the working class all over Europe.
Nobody really is going to care how much suffering this causes in Africa, nobody really cares despite virtue signaling otherwise.
 
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Some people haven't paid attention to Peter Zeihan and it shows.

I don't think that the West or Russia have particularly distinguished themselves during this brief local conflict. Both sides are showing cracks in their ability to provide manpower and materiel, and both sides have demonstrated significant tactical and strategic mistakes.

Normally this would be a great opportunity for China to stretch its legs and accomplish whatever strategic goals that were normally impeded by the US and Russia, but it's so fucked up internally that they are unlikely to capitalize on the opportunity. So at least we've got that going for us.
 
Is there any independent proof of any of these numbers? No Red Cross for POW's? Any real media attention?

This literally has to be the least covered and most expensive war in world history. We dump billions of dollars into the sewer with little or no accounting and absolutely no proof of purchase on equipment and not a fucking soul seems to care.
 
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Maybe in another 30 years we will be over there fighting against the Ukrainians. Afghan part duex.....
 
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I have close Ukrainian friends, they tell me actual Russian losses are about 89,000 med so far. They also mention that if Russia looses, some of the countries forced to be allied with Russia may try to break away.

Russia's plan for centuries is to own land out to through Poland or Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. Those countries realize that if UKR falls, they are next. So Poland is being extremely helpful to Ukraine. It really is a win/win for Poland. The war is not on their territory, and they are supplying money and/or equipment that they would otherwise have to use on their own soil.

Putin is a bully, and many bullies keep pushing, pushing, until someone pushes back and they get beat down. Hopefully his days are numbered.
 
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c1steve said:
I have close Ukrainian friends, they tell me actual Russian losses are about 89,000 med so far. They also mention that if Russia looses, some of the countries forced to be allied with Russia may try to break away.

Russia's plan for centuries is to own land out to through Poland or Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. Those countries realize that if UKR falls, they are next. So Poland is being extremely helpful to Ukraine. It really is a win/win for Poland. The war is not on their territory, and they are supplying money and/or equipment that they would otherwise have to use on their own soil.

Putin is a bully, and many bullies keep pushing, pushing, until someone pushes back and they get beat down. Hopefully his days are numbered.
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Losses.

Do you mean deaths or casualties?
 
more ethnic russians in the donbas were killed by ukrainian nazis than americans on 9/11.
i am not saying putin was right to invade, but what what he supposed to do when the uke shelling increased x10 in early february?
what did we do after 9/11?
 
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But but but we did it for patriotism, the flag, keeping terrorism over there and and and all the other bullshit.
theLBC said:
more ethnic russians in the donbas were killed by ukrainian nazis than americans on 9/11.
i am not saying putin was right to invade, but what what he supposed to do when the uke shelling increased x10 in early february?
what did we do after 9/11?
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Ohh yeah, and Putin is buddies with the bad orange man. So there's that
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
Has anyone gotten an actual real, not propaganda filled accounting of what the Ukraine losses have been?
I suspect the Ukrainians have lost a lot more in personnel, equipment and infrastructure than we are being told.
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In all actuality there is no real number out there for any of this. All of it is just 'estimates'. No question about it that Ukraine has suffered heavy loss, especially if you consider civilian losses, buildings and infrastructure. It stands to reason that if a large foreign military invades and takes over 1/3 of another country that large losses will be had. That would be like the headline, "Bull enters China shop. China shop suffers major losses."

Initially the Ukrainians definitely lost a lot. As the war progressed though and they got more versed in fighting and got their feet (and technology) Russia got punished severely. Keep in mind that this is in part due to completely shitty planning on the Russian's part. They spread their guys so thin, had extremely weak supply lines, didn't really support their troops, so naturally the morale was extremely low.

If you are a Russian soldier and you see hundreds and maybe even thousands of your brothers in arms getting killed, then the leader of YOUR country say, "We have lost nothing" that really doesn't inspire confidence at all.

On the other hand comparing one estimate to another estimate is useless. I don't even look at those numbers and really don't care. It's pointless to quantify it that way.

The only metric that I use was that Russia had ZERO BUSINESS sending troops of any kind to Ukraine. Anyone that tries to justify their actions is a fool. It doesn't matter the narrative about big bad NATO or not. Someone saying earlier in this thread that NATO=ISIS is absolutely stupid.

If someone were to actually try and draw a comparison using that whole 'NATO narrative' they could say something like 'what if China built a massive military base in the North of Mexico', but some of the crap I see here is just that. Crap.

In the greater context of things Putin literally has visions of returning to the old USSR days. No matter what happens I will not side with that.
 
theLBC said:
more ethnic russians in the donbas were killed by ukrainian nazis than americans on 9/11.
i am not saying putin was right to invade, but what what he supposed to do when the uke shelling increased x10 in early february?
what did we do after 9/11?
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I don't know the truth of that either. Sounds like propaganda. But regardless of that Russians have been illegally occupying the Eastern side of the Ukraine since 2014. So naturally if every one of them was slaughtered it is justified.
 
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alamo5000 said:
I don't know the truth of that either. Sounds like propaganda. But regardless of that Russians have been illegally occupying the Eastern side of the Ukraine since 2014. So naturally if every one of them was slaughtered it is justified.
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no doubt there were/are russians and ex-russian military in the donbas since 2014, but that doesn't discount the many ukrainian based militias.
in any case, the exponential attacks on civilians was documented and reported by of OSCE, so it is hardly propaganda.

kanekoa.substack.com

OSCE Reports Reveal Ukraine Started Shelling The Donbas Nine Days Before Russia's 'Special Military Operation'

The Biden Administration, U.S. political officials, and the corporate media are lying the American public into World War III.
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It is important to remember that the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine started in 2014 after the Obama administration and U.S. Congress members installed a new government in Ukraine, in what the head of the “private CIA” firm Stratfor called “the most blatant coup in history.”

In response to the U.S.-backed coup, the Luhansk and Donetsk regions in the Donbas held a referendum on seceding from Ukraine, in which 96% of Luhansk and 89% of Donetsk voted for the creation of two new self-described independent republics in eastern Ukraine.

Moscow said the vote reflected the "will of the people," but the European Union called the elections "illegal and illegitimate", which quickly turned violent and descended into an all-out conflict between the Ukrainian military and Russian-backed separatist forces of Luhansk and Donetsk.

Between 2014 and 2022 the War in Donbas killed an estimated 14,000 people, forcing millions of people to flee the region, and turning the conflict zone into one of the world’s most mine-contaminated areas.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) has had observers on-the-ground monitoring the situation in Donbas since the outbreak of open conflict began in 2014.

The OSCE has been the only international civilian observer mission allowed to collect information from both sides of the contact line, and its data, while incomplete, remains the best available.

Feb 14: 174 ceasefire violations, 41 explosions

Feb 15: 153 ceasefire violations, 76 explosions

Feb 16: 509 ceasefire violations, 316 explosions

Feb 17: 870 ceasefire violations, 654 explosions

Feb 18: 1,566 ceasefire violations, 1,413 explosions

Feb 19-20: 3,231 ceasefire violations, 2,026 explosions

Feb 21: 1,927 ceasefire violations, 1,481 explosions

Feb 21: Russia recognizes independence of Donetsk and Luhansk

Feb 22: 1,710 ceasefire violations, 1,420 explosions

Feb 24: Russia launches ‘special military operation’
 
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alamo5000 said:
If someone were to actually try and draw a comparison using that whole 'NATO narrative' they could say something like 'what if China built a massive military base in the North of Mexico', but some of the crap I see here is just that. Crap.

In the greater context of things Putin literally has visions of returning to the old USSR days. No matter what happens I will not side with that.
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Perhaps a more useful comparison could be when the USA threatened to start WWIII if the Russians build up a large nuclear equipped force in Cuba as the Cuban government begged them to do after a failed CIA invasion / regime change attempt was thwarted.
 
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theLBC said:
no doubt there were/are russians and ex-russian military in the donbas since 2014, but that doesn't discount the many ukrainian based militias.
in any case, the exponential attacks on civilians was documented and reported by of OSCE, so it is hardly propaganda.

kanekoa.substack.com

OSCE Reports Reveal Ukraine Started Shelling The Donbas Nine Days Before Russia's 'Special Military Operation'

The Biden Administration, U.S. political officials, and the corporate media are lying the American public into World War III.
kanekoa.substack.com kanekoa.substack.com

It is important to remember that the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine started in 2014 after the Obama administration and U.S. Congress members installed a new government in Ukraine, in what the head of the “private CIA” firm Stratfor called “the most blatant coup in history.”

In response to the U.S.-backed coup, the Luhansk and Donetsk regions in the Donbas held a referendum on seceding from Ukraine, in which 96% of Luhansk and 89% of Donetsk voted for the creation of two new self-described independent republics in eastern Ukraine.

Moscow said the vote reflected the "will of the people," but the European Union called the elections "illegal and illegitimate", which quickly turned violent and descended into an all-out conflict between the Ukrainian military and Russian-backed separatist forces of Luhansk and Donetsk.

Between 2014 and 2022 the War in Donbas killed an estimated 14,000 people, forcing millions of people to flee the region, and turning the conflict zone into one of the world’s most mine-contaminated areas.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) has had observers on-the-ground monitoring the situation in Donbas since the outbreak of open conflict began in 2014.

The OSCE has been the only international civilian observer mission allowed to collect information from both sides of the contact line, and its data, while incomplete, remains the best available.

Feb 14: 174 ceasefire violations, 41 explosions

Feb 15: 153 ceasefire violations, 76 explosions

Feb 16: 509 ceasefire violations, 316 explosions

Feb 17: 870 ceasefire violations, 654 explosions

Feb 18: 1,566 ceasefire violations, 1,413 explosions

Feb 19-20: 3,231 ceasefire violations, 2,026 explosions

Feb 21: 1,927 ceasefire violations, 1,481 explosions

Feb 21: Russia recognizes independence of Donetsk and Luhansk

Feb 22: 1,710 ceasefire violations, 1,420 explosions

Feb 24: Russia launches ‘special military operation’
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Tagged for further reading :)
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
Perhaps a more useful comparison could be when the USA threatened to start WWIII if the Russians build up a large nuclear equipped force in Cuba as the Cuban government begged them to do after a failed CIA invasion / regime change attempt was thwarted.
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Along with that, we had placed nukes in Turkey. IIRC, the USSR's shipping of nukes to Cuba was in response to that.

I find it fascinating that all the Western allies had been cozy with the USSR in WWII. By 1947, that coalition had not only fallen apart, but we had become mortal enemies in a Cold War. I ask myself "who benefits from that ?" and the answer is pretty obvious.
 
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Remember that time In Vietnam when congress started a war based off False radar and coms information??

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Or that one time we invaded Iraq for WMD’s( anthrax) that was proved to be from a US lab
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I have a feeling some of you remember these incidents quite well...
 
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OkieMike said:
I've said it before... The EU is a bigger threat to freedom-minded human beings than Putin/Russia could ever be.
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I certainly don't think the EU is great at all. I really dislike Leftist, Globalist Europeans.

But what you said is completely stupid. It deserves zero respect.
 
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