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Sad day in SD Marine scout killed in stand off

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What a shame. I wish there were better systems in place to help those who need it.
 
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Patriot Guard Misson, I'll be there.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sep 12 Honor Mission - USMC Cody Engen - Custer - Stage Nat'l Guard Armory 8:45 AM</div></div>
 
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Sorry, doubled

 
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You are seeing too much of this with these guys coming back from the sandbox. It is hard for alot of people to understand what goes on over there that puts these guys in the mindset for distruction. I wish that there were better ways of helping these guys out.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Crazy fucker... I don't feel sorry for him, NOT ONE BIT!!!

What did he expect?

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Not a lot of meat in the OP's link to go on, but you could be a little more charitable. People are asked to do in warfare what are unthinkable actions in civilian life. Not everyone transitions smoothly, and some people come back entirely dysfunctional. We've dropped the ball trying to deal with reintegration. My prayers for him and all involved.
 
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I agree Veer.. you know every 80 minutes a vet kills themselves? 90% coming back from a combat tour will be divorced within 5 years.

Doesn't make it right.. just makes it sad.
 
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I'm sorry to hear about that.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Crazy fucker... I don't feel sorry for him, NOT ONE BIT!!!

What did he expect?

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Not a lot of meat in the OP's link to go on, but you could be a little more charitable. People are asked to do in warfare what are unthinkable actions in civilian life. Not everyone transitions smoothly, and some people come back entirely dysfunctional. We've dropped the ball trying to deal with reintegration. My prayers for him and all involved.
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Agreed. Sounds like suicide by cop.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Crazy fucker... I don't feel sorry for him, NOT ONE BIT!!!

What did he expect?

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Not a lot of meat in the OP's link to go on, but you could be a little more charitable. People are asked to do in warfare what are unthinkable actions in civilian life. Not everyone transitions smoothly, and some people come back entirely dysfunctional. We've dropped the ball trying to deal with reintegration. My prayers for him and all involved.
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Do you feel sorry and pray for Maj. Hasan as well?

Thats complete bullshit and you know it! Using the excuse of him being a former Marine who has seen combat doesn't mean a damn thing... thats the biggest double standard pile of horseshit I've heard.
You feel pity for him because he volunteered for the USMC, and chose a role in which being deployed to a combat zone, was all but guaranteed.

Dude more than likely had issues before enlisting... they were just exacerbated by his experiance in combat.

Atleast we don't have to pay for 3 hots and a cot now!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Crazy fucker... I don't feel sorry for him, NOT ONE BIT!!!

What did he expect?

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Not a lot of meat in the OP's link to go on, but you could be a little more charitable. People are asked to do in warfare what are unthinkable actions in civilian life. Not everyone transitions smoothly, and some people come back entirely dysfunctional. We've dropped the ball trying to deal with reintegration. My prayers for him and all involved.
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Do you feel sorry and pray for Maj. Hasan as well?</div></div>

That's a loaded question along the lines of a metric ton of utter bullshit, and don't think that I don't know what you're on about. You really need to read the fuck up on some history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Sikhism We were dropping murderous radical Muslims like bad habits 200 years before Presley O'Bannon, USMC dragged his tardy ass to the famous shores of Tripoli.
 
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No... Its a simple matter of "The bad guy is taken out!" I'm just glad that nobody else was taken with him.

A terrorist is a terrorist, whether successful or not. And the best terrorist of all... Is a dead one!
 
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Man, quit running your yap. Nothing but ignorant shyte coming from you.

Kind of sounds like suicide by cop kind of scenario.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B101ABN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, quit running your yap. Nothing but ignorant shyte coming from you.

Kind of sounds like suicide by cop kind of scenario. </div></div>

Nah, I'm just not a "fair-weather" flip-flopping bitch!
 
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Slowkota,

USMC Cody Engen was a troubled young man, as too many who survived conbat can become. Until you humped a mile in his (their) shoes you'll never understand.

Cody hurt no one, I don't think he met to. Unlike that idiot in Ft Hood.

Tomorrow morning I will join other Patriot Guard Riders for the hornor of excorting him from Custer to the National Cementary at Sturgis.

I'll ride to honor his service and to support his family, and IT WILL BE AN HONOR.

In reality, {regardless how it looks to some, this was a combat injury.

Like I said, spend a while in combat and maybe some day you'll understand.
 
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Agreed, Kraig,
My heart goes out to those who protect our country and lives. For thouse who return from some crazy stuff, who are you to judge them? Until you have experienced it, keep your mouth shut, and for those who will continue to comment regardless, enlist for 4 years and then post your comment. If it weren't for these brave soldiers, we wouldn't live how we do (which is better than the majority of the world). So, while the soldiers that return from combat, past and future, need plenty of available psychological and physical help, we sit here and comment on their struggles. If anyone knows of any foundations or charities to prevent or aide these soldiers please post so we can properly repay them for what they do for our freedom. Thanks everyone
 
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Since I do have the experience I'll judge him and everyone like him all day long.

Weak minds can be found everywhere and in every branch of law enforcement and military branch. Just how it is.

I don't care how crazy you are. It's widely known that when you drive your pickup truck into the sheriffs office your going to get your dumb ass shot.

Also, just because the guy was a scout sniper in iraq and afghanistan doesn't mean he killed more hadj than cancer. As far as the information that's provided it can just be determined that he MAY have been in a position to have pulled the trigger a few times or see some nasty things.

And if he did so what? Join the club. You put on your big boy pants and after you come back home to the civilized world you cope like the rest of us. With lots of booze and pussy.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since I do have the experience I'll judge him and everyone like him all day long.

Weak minds can be found everywhere and in every branch of law enforcement and military branch. Just how it is.

I don't care how crazy you are. It's widely known that when you drive your pickup truck into the sheriffs office your going to get your dumb ass shot.

Also, just because the guy was a scout sniper in iraq and afghanistan doesn't mean he killed more hadj than cancer. As far as the information that's provided it can just be determined that he MAY have been in a position to have pulled the trigger a few times or see some nasty things.

And if he did so what? Join the club. You put on your big boy pants and after you come back home to the civilized world you cope like the rest of us. With lots of booze and pussy.

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Amen!

If Jamal/Ricardo/Billy Bob Jr. did this, and came to light on this site... Most of us would want that fucker to fry in hell, along with a "Glad no one else was hurt", and a good-riddance!

Its pretty much a type of Nepotism!
Cutting that fucker slack, and feeling pity for him because he served in the military... Like hundreds of thousands who have come before him (that didn't crash their vehicle into an official building, locked and loaded!)

John Allen Williams served in the ARMY for 7 years... and killed 10, I guess we should pity that guy too!

And for anybody saying "Walk in our boots" is fooling themselves!
I was born into a war zone, I walked in those boots on U.S. soil until I was 7... I didn't choose it! I watched the firemen hose the blood and brain matter of my best friend, off the sidewalk at the age of 6. We were playing with ninja turtles and GI joes!

20 years later...
I still haven't, nor will I, crash a truck into a police station... and pose a deadly threat to fellow law abiding americans!

If anything, I'd blame the Military's vetting process... For allowing that fucked up guy to enlist!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Crazy fucker... I don't feel sorry for him, NOT ONE BIT!!!

What did he expect?

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He probably expected to die. That doesn't mean <span style="font-style: italic">you</span> have to be a dick. It's a shame shit like this happens but it's not exactly unexcpected given the number of guys going over and coming back. My prayers go out to his family and the people he may have hurt along the way.
 
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His family will be in my prayers. You just wonder if he seen the earlier suicide by cop stories in Rapid last month and decided to do similar.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since I do have the experience I'll judge him and everyone like him all day long.

Weak minds can be found everywhere and in every branch of law enforcement and military branch. Just how it is.

I don't care how crazy you are. It's widely known that when you drive your pickup truck into the sheriffs office your going to get your dumb ass shot.

Also, just because the guy was a scout sniper in iraq and afghanistan doesn't mean he killed more hadj than cancer. As far as the information that's provided it can just be determined that he MAY have been in a position to have pulled the trigger a few times or see some nasty things.

And if he did so what? Join the club. You put on your big boy pants and after you come back home to the civilized world you cope like the rest of us. With lots of booze and pussy.

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Amen!

If Jamal/Ricardo/Billy Bob Jr. did this, and came to light on this site... Most of us would want that fucker to fry in hell, along with a "Glad no one else was hurt", and a good-riddance!

Its pretty much a type of Nepotism!
Cutting that fucker slack, and feeling pity for him because he served in the military... Like hundreds of thousands who have come before him (that didn't crash their vehicle into an official building, locked and loaded!)

John Allen Williams served in the ARMY for 7 years... and killed 10, I guess we should pity that guy too!

And for anybody saying "Walk in our boots" is fooling themselves!
I was born into a war zone, I walked in those boots on U.S. soil until I was 7... I didn't choose it! I watched the firemen hose the blood and brain matter of my best friend, off the sidewalk at the age of 6. We were playing with ninja turtles and GI joes!

20 years later...
I still haven't, nor will I, crash a truck into a police station... and pose a deadly threat to fellow law abiding americans!

If anything, I'd blame the Military's vetting process... For allowing that fucked up guy to enlist!

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SO in a few words, you are saying that you are a grabastic piece of excrement who was only allowed to live because the drops of midget semen that flowed into the dumpster actually survived? Your worth is not evven on the same level as that Marine. You don't even have enough grab ass points to hold sway in any connected conversation about him, or the Marine Corps. Men better than you have been entering service and fighting this crap war while all you have done is play sucky suck with Sally Rotten Crotch. As for never enlisting into the military, that just makes you one more civilian who is undereducated as to the actual issues veteran's face upon returning from the current war, any war for that matter. I can only reccommend you educate yourself on the issues before making further comment.

The majority of men returning have at least mild issues of Anxiety. Full blown PTSD takes a long time to fully diagnose. Fobbits are even coming forward with issues of stress related service. Green Beans ran out of coffee so they had to make due with a scrounged MRE from a grunt. Imagine that! Gunny or The Warrant chewed their ass too hard for screwing up the month's pay for a outside the wire unit, so his/her little comfy chair just isn't right anymore. Meanwhile, Joe out in the suck is getting fragged, IED'd, and shot at on a daily/weekly basis. Some Joes are getting blown up more than four times in a tour by VBIED's and IED's. They are the ones who may need assistance because they have still yet to recognize any cognitave or other manifesting TBI issues.
I think there may be a lot more to the story than what was reported
 
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Actually PTSD is easy to diagnose, according to my VA experience. Note to self: Don't answer honestly, any of their questions, or you may not have scored "high" enough on their flow chart to warrant PTSD. Don't get a job, don't be civil, and make sure you are on a shit ton of meds you don't need. This way, you can fluff your claim with bullshit and get approved.
 
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Apparently the people of Custer, including the Sheriff's department, have a bit more compassion then many on this site. They were in attendence at the service. I'm not talking just about those who provided Traffic control for the Patriot Guard Riders escorting the precession, but off duty deputies, as well as officers from surrounding communities.

Casualities of war are not limited to the battle field.

When one has severed in combat, he tends to think of other combat soldiers as "brothers in arms". Often closer then your biological brothers.

When our siblings screw up, we don't condon their actions, but we don't stop loving them either.

We try to help out brothers before they get to the point of this young marine. If we can't reach them we can still honor their service and their families.

We don't desert the families when our brothers fail. There is nothing to compare to the mother of our fallen brother, hugging and thinking you while you're standing the flag line.

Some of the attitudes I've seen on this topic takes me back 40 or so years. I see history repeating itself. It seems that as this war wages on, and takes its toll on our solders, this country is going back to the attituded of "DOGS AND SOLDERS KEEP OFF THE GRASS"

I'm starting to see why over 90% of the Patriot Riders are Vietnam Vets. It seems we understand more then most.
 
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Thanks for going, Kraig. I'd say something pithy, but most of it has been said.
 
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The kid was Marine scout sniper. If he wanted to kill people there would have been a body count, a large body count. Whatever snapped in his mind, he at least kept enough control of himself that he didn't hurt anyone. The deputies most likely knew him, what he had returned from, and knew they were dealing with somebody who had experienced something that he couldn't handle. To even try to compare him to a politically or religion driven terrorist is beyond ludacris.
 
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This kind of thing is one of the costs of war that we have to pay but few account for.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B101ABN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, quit running your yap. Nothing but ignorant shyte coming from you.

Kind of sounds like suicide by cop kind of scenario. </div></div>

Nah, I'm just not a "fair-weather" flip-flopping bitch!
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What does that even mean? What's the basis for your opinion? You a combat vet? LE? what?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since I do have the experience I'll judge him and everyone like him all day long.

Weak minds can be found everywhere and in every branch of law enforcement and military branch. Just how it is.

I don't care how crazy you are. It's widely known that when you drive your pickup truck into the sheriffs office your going to get your dumb ass shot.

Also, just because the guy was a scout sniper in iraq and afghanistan doesn't mean he killed more hadj than cancer. As far as the information that's provided it can just be determined that he MAY have been in a position to have pulled the trigger a few times or see some nasty things.

And if he did so what? Join the club. You put on your big boy pants and after you come back home to the civilized world you cope like the rest of us. With lots of booze and pussy.

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Amen!

If Jamal/Ricardo/Billy Bob Jr. did this, and came to light on this site... Most of us would want that fucker to fry in hell, along with a "Glad no one else was hurt", and a good-riddance!

Its pretty much a type of Nepotism!
Cutting that fucker slack, and feeling pity for him because he served in the military... Like hundreds of thousands who have come before him (that didn't crash their vehicle into an official building, locked and loaded!)

John Allen Williams served in the ARMY for 7 years... and killed 10, I guess we should pity that guy too!

And for anybody saying "Walk in our boots" is fooling themselves!
I was born into a war zone, I walked in those boots on U.S. soil until I was 7... I didn't choose it! I watched the firemen hose the blood and brain matter of my best friend, off the sidewalk at the age of 6. We were playing with ninja turtles and GI joes!

20 years later...
I still haven't, nor will I, crash a truck into a police station... and pose a deadly threat to fellow law abiding americans!

If anything, I'd blame the Military's vetting process... For allowing that fucked up guy to enlist!

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You're a fucking douche bag.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since I do have the experience I'll judge him and everyone like him all day long.

Weak minds can be found everywhere and in every branch of law enforcement and military branch. Just how it is.

I don't care how crazy you are. It's widely known that when you drive your pickup truck into the sheriffs office your going to get your dumb ass shot.

Also, just because the guy was a scout sniper in iraq and afghanistan doesn't mean he killed more hadj than cancer. As far as the information that's provided it can just be determined that he MAY have been in a position to have pulled the trigger a few times or see some nasty things.

And if he did so what? Join the club. You put on your big boy pants and after you come back home to the civilized world you cope like the rest of us. With lots of booze and pussy.

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Your experience and his are undoubtedly unique. Ergo, you are not in a psoition to judge.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That's a loaded question along the lines of a metric ton of utter bullshit, and don't think that I don't know what you're on about. You really need to read the fuck up on some history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Sikhism We were dropping murderous radical Muslims like bad habits 200 years before Presley O'Bannon, USMC dragged his tardy ass to the famous shores of Tripoli. </div></div>

LOL! Right, because Sikh's have never behaved in a murderous, radical manner have they? They've never killed or bombed civilians... it's all those damn evil Moosleeems.

As to the issue, I've no military experience but to think mental effects of war are different to the physical effects of injury seems simplistic. Wounding is wounding and injury can't be treated until it's diagnosed. In reading the excellent book 'War of Nerves' it seems soldiers need to learn to identify the signs of mental trauma as well as physical TBI and the support structure needs to be upgraded to deal with it once identified. Booze and pussy might be therapeutic, but I doubt they're curative...

Prayers to the family of the soldier. They are probably blaming themselves for not 'being there' for this young man.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That's a loaded question along the lines of a metric ton of utter bullshit, and don't think that I don't know what you're on about. You really need to read the fuck up on some history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Sikhism We were dropping murderous radical Muslims like bad habits 200 years before Presley O'Bannon, USMC dragged his tardy ass to the famous shores of Tripoli. </div></div>

LOL! Right, because Sikh's have never behaved in a murderous, radical manner have they? They've never killed or bombed civilians... it's all those damn evil Moosleeems.

As to the issue, I've no military experience but to think mental effects of war are different to the physical effects of injury seems simplistic. Wounding is wounding and injury can't be treated until it's diagnosed. In reading the excellent book 'War of Nerves' it seems soldiers need to learn to identify the signs of mental trauma as well as physical TBI and the support structure needs to be upgraded to deal with it once identified. Booze and pussy might be therapeutic, but I doubt they're curative...

Prayers to the family of the soldier. They are probably blaming themselves for not 'being there' for this young man. </div></div>

I'm glad that you finally had something to add to this thread.
 
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I'm not getting into the debate over this certain occurence but I will speak my opinion. I am LE and for the officers across the U.S. who have to deal with these terrible situations, I have deep sympathy. I wish for more help for those coming back from overseas. We should be taking care of our own every step of the way.

Stay safe everyone home and abroad.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: netranger6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually PTSD is easy to diagnose, according to my VA experience. Note to self: Don't answer honestly, any of their questions, or you may not have scored "high" enough on their flow chart to warrant PTSD. Don't get a job, don't be civil, and make sure you are on a shit ton of meds you don't need. This way, you can fluff your claim with bullshit and get approved. </div></div>

So what you are saying is anyone with a PhD can sit with a man and within 15 minutes diagnose severe PTSD? Bullshit. That can only diagnose symptoms but not the full flesh of the overall issue. Anything psychiatric takes weeks, or months to pull out of a man's mind to gain a total diagnosis. At best, these quick dignoses are only used to deny a man or vet the right to own firearms because he MAY be a threat to himself or others.

The above is NOT my opinion, but a paraphrase of an answer given to me by a respected Phd who deals in these things. He also stated disbelief in the basics of VA dignoses for this reason(the ones you have listed) He even stated that some of the issues may go back as far as childhood. Yes, that is a lot to place in a pipe and smoke, but it is a basic no BS professional opinion. I thought it was pretty accurate, and very precise as well
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Weak minds can be found everywhere</div></div>

It's just that it makes the news when it a cop or soldier/marine....

Rogue dentists, painters or plumbers don't have enough splash for top of the hour billing.
 
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Cody, thanks for serving. I hope you have found peace.

Thanks for riding Kraig.
 
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prayers go out with this man and his family... a good buddy from custer was out last week with me scouting elk, he told me the whole run around story, and something i didn't see mentioned above, one of the local cops was dickin around with his girlfriend while he was gone... and that's what broke the string when he got back.
 
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Kraig,

My minister's 20 y.o. son was laid to rest 3 June 2011 at DFW National after losing his life in Afghanistan. We heard the Patriiot Riders would be there - I was overwhelmed.

Thank you and the other Patriot Riders for your selfless service to honor our fallen heroes - all of them.

Kevin