Gunsmithing Sauer MDL 200 replacement barrel

wapiti16b

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Currently Border Barrels are the only provider of custom barrels for the Sauer interchangeable barrel system for this model and they have NO US Importer I'm aware of so my question is would it be possible to use the existing barrel as a donor chamber and possibly convert to the Savage barrel nut system for a way around my problem ?
Is it possible to have a Bartlein Barrel made so by a gun smith . What I have now is a 25-06 on it's way out and I want a 280 Ackley Improved to replace it .
Am I pissing in the wind ? , should I keep pursuing Border Barrels or go some other direction ?
I'd hate to see my rifle sit idle , the action is top rate !
I've posted this problem on other pages and GAP was suggested along with Crescent Customs and I'm still waiting for a reply from each .
Thanks !
 
Have you ever removed your Sauer from the stock? I am not 100% but am pretty damn sure that the barrel attaches to the action in the same manor as the 200STR & SSG3000 rifles. In which neither the barrel nor the action is threaded, so a "Savage barrel nut conversion" would not work. The bolt also locks into the barrel or barrel extension depending on the barrel arrangement and not the action like most other rifles so having a gunsmith make a barrel work will be interesting. You need to locate a supplier of barrel extensions and then you will be good to go.
 
Yes I have removed the barrel from the receiver, the stock and fore end attach to the receiver via allen screws and the barrel is held in the receiver via allen screws also . The bolt locks-up in the barrel not the receiver on this model as you mention , I guess my question is can the existing barrel be salvaged to provide the barrel extension you speak of ? and can that extension be modified to the Savage system ? , since no one I know of except Border Barrels manufactures fitted and proofed barrels in cartridges other than stock Sauer replacement barrels . I mention the Savage system because of the possibility of regaining the option of multi caliber replacement barrels in configurations I want , not what Sauer provides .
 
Yes I have removed the barrel from the receiver, the stock and fore end attach to the receiver via allen screws and the barrel is held in the receiver via allen screws also . The bolt locks-up in the barrel not the receiver on this model as you mention , I guess my question is can the existing barrel be salvaged to provide the barrel extension you speak of ? and can that extension be modified to the Savage system ? , since no one I know of except Border Barrels manufactures fitted and proofed barrels in cartridges other than stock Sauer replacement barrels . I mention the Savage system because of the possibility of regaining the option of multi caliber replacement barrels in configurations I want , not what Sauer provides .

The Sauer 200 and Savage systems are two completely different beasts.

Sauer uses a barrel extension (like the AR10 or AR15) where the bolt locks into. Head spacing is set by screwing the extension tightly onto the barrel and then reaming the chamber deeper until the bolt closes on the "GO" but not on the "NO GO" gauge. The barrel with the attached extension - let's call it barrel assembly - is then clamped in the receiver and can be changed easily to a different, previously head-spaced, barrel assembly.

Savage screws the barrel into the receiver and uses a counter nut to hold it in place. Barrels can be changed by by loosening the nut, un-threading the old barrel, screwing the new barrel in until the head space is OK, and re-tightening the nut.

All you need to put another barrel on a Sauer 200 (or SSG3000) is an extension, a barrel blank, and a competent smith.

If you cannot get a separate extension, you could try to get one off an old barrel assembly but it is most likely screwed on very tightly. I went this route to make custom barrels for my Lewis Machine MRP rifle after Karl Lewis refused to sell the extensions seperately. However, getting the extensions loose from used barrels was a bear. I had to cut into several barrels close to the extension shoulder with a thin parting tool to relieve the tension holding everything together.


PS: FN combined the screwed-on barrel extension with a counter nut on the SCAR. My guess is that they make the barrels with fully finished chamber in one process (i.e. hammer forging and chrome plating) and then screw the barrel to the extension, adjust the head space, and tighten the nut further down the assembly line. Similarly, one could try with some creative engineering to put a counter nut in front of the Sauer 200 extension. It would look strange but it would make it easier to re-use one extension for multiple barrels.
 
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Alpine 44 thanks for the information , I did not know exactly how the Savage system worked , I've never owned one . I also did not realize that the Sauer used an extension !. How likely is it that a good smith could remove the old barrel and use the factory extension ? and if not would you know anyone that can provide one ?
I also have an LMT MRP piston 16" AR and want to convert to 6.5 Grendel , what did you re-barrel to ?
 
OK , I've sent e-mails to several gun smiths and have yet to receive a reply , many suggested on this site !
Is their a gun smith out there willing to take on this project ?
If not does anyone know where I can get a barrel extension for my Sauer so I can have it re-barreled & chambered to 280 Ackley Improved ?
Thanks !
 
wapiti16b, looks like you and I are trying to do the same thing. I had posted a while back and was told today that my gunsmith started work on my SSG 3000. I had purchased the SIG SSG 3000, adapter and a bartlein barrel (MTU 7mm), then dropped off to my gunsmith. He is going to chamber the barrel in 280 AI as well. Was told today that the barrel is of a different contour (Chamber end) and would be recontoured by a friend in Wylie, TX (Stiller Precision). So far it has been a very long process, but it has been helping me save up for a decent scope as well. In the end, I don't know if the conversion will be worth it, $$$ wise. Will keep you updated on any other issues.
 
wapiti16b, looks like you and I are trying to do the same thing. I had posted a while back and was told today that my gunsmith started work on my SSG 3000. I had purchased the SIG SSG 3000, adapter and a bartlein barrel (MTU 7mm), then dropped off to my gunsmith. He is going to chamber the barrel in 280 AI as well. Was told today that the barrel is of a different contour (Chamber end) and would be recontoured by a friend in Wylie, TX (Stiller Precision). So far it has been a very long process, but it has been helping me save up for a decent scope as well. In the end, I don't know if the conversion will be worth it, $$$ wise. Will keep you updated on any other issues.

Did you get the adapter from Border Barrels?
 
Purchased from AH Larsen ( www.ahlarsen.dk ). It uses metric threads M22 x 1.5 . Gene mentioned if I could purchase the adapter unthreaded so it could be standard threaded, it would be golden. Also mentioned the MTU contour barrel I purchased maybe too heavy in the long-run because of the way the barrel attaches to the receiver.

Border told me they were no longer making adapters. Kept getting alot of dead ends for my project.
 
Thanks everyone for the information , I've given up on Border Barrels and will inquire with the information that you all have provided , hopefully this project won't break my bank or wreck my marriage Haaaaaahh !
Thanks again !!
 
For aftermarket barrels there is not only Border that makes them, someone have you guys misinformed.
Border, Sauer, Heym, Schultz&Larsen and Lothar Walter replacement barrels are all available here..

Border probably makes the best barrles for them followed by LW.

And yes there has been barrel extensions made for them, Border offer one such.
And there are people that have made barrel extensions by butchering a old barrel and threaded the original barrel extension to accept more standard barrels, the difficulty of this i won't comment on as i am not a machinist.

So there are more options available then some believe.
How easy they are to import to the US is another thing, but it is possible with enough money and paperwork i assume.
 
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Update , after talking to the Sauer rep in San Antonio ,( after referral from Sig), I was told that the stock barrels do not utilize a barrel extension. Barrels are one piece hammer forged and chambered . However any smith with a five axis CNC could produce extensions and possibly barrels . Scandinavian smiths do it all the time ! , according to Sauer in San Antonio .
????? is their an American Smith that can do so also ?
I can still use my existing chambered barrel to achieve my goals and most likely will have too , but I'd sure like to see someone make affordable extensions at the least, here in the USA for the entire Sauer line. From what I've found so far the specifications are available FREE on-line . Since the import fees and restrictions are so punitive from across the pond , this would seem like a real opportunity for a home-grown option !
 
Sauer MDL 200 replacement barrel

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wapiti16b, looks like you and I are trying to do the same thing. I had posted a while back and was told today that my gunsmith started work on my SSG 3000. I had purchased the SIG SSG 3000, adapter and a bartlein barrel (MTU 7mm), then dropped off to my gunsmith. He is going to chamber the barrel in 280 AI as well. Was told today that the barrel is of a different contour (Chamber end) and would be recontoured by a friend in Wylie, TX (Stiller Precision). So far it has been a very long process, but it has been helping me save up for a decent scope as well. In the end, I don't know if the conversion will be worth it, $$$ wise. Will keep you updated on any other issues.

The re-contour work was not done at Stiller's. It was done at Live Oak Accuracy in Wylie, Texas. The threading also.