Sieg ... Fired

[Veer_G]

Buh-bye. Have a nice career elsewhere.

West Virginia governor approves firing of all employees involved in apparent Nazi salute photo

West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice on Monday approved the recommended firing of all Corrections Academy trainees who were seen in a photograph appearing to give a Nazi salute.

www.foxnews.com

 

[hafejd30]

Ralph Northam will probably hire them all by the end of the day

 

[Blue Sky Country]

Ralph Northam will probably hire them all by the end of the day

Won't be surprised. I am sure that bunch would make fine candidates for the gun confiscation squa---I mean rifle fodder...

 

[MtnCreek]

Wow, they have their hands raised. Should be sent to re-education camp.

 

[Veer_G]

Wow, they have their hands raised. Should be sent to re-education camp.

I knew that a likely suspect apologist would be along shortly.

Because, you know, somebody did something somewhere.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I can put this into perspective. My ol' man was a B24 gunner. That was why he was from Pennsylvania but married a Texan. Anyway, as a child I thought it would be cute to walk up to him and give him a smart Heil Hitler! Anyway, he came out of that chair so fast I didn't stand a chance. No words were spoken but I got the message loud and clear.

 

[Rthur]

Context could be important...

R

 

[supercorndogs]

I will take it, since they were fired, that they are not doing the BLM hand signal.

 

[Veer_G]

Context could be important...

R

The Hitlergruß doesn't get a contextual pass. Never.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Look up Eisenhower HQ shoulder patch and then look at 3rd Army Europe. They are identical except one is black and the other is blue, respectively, on purpose. Never forget the dark night of Tryanny and the subsequent blue skies of Freedom.

 

[MtnCreek]

I will take it, since they were fired, that they are not doing the BLM hand signal.

The ones holding up a clinched fist may have a future in the fbi or doj.

 

[eca7891]

Once again it just goes to show you....

The is no limit on stupid.

 

[Veer_G]

Once again it just goes to show you....

The is no limit on stupid.

Apparently, not around here.

 

[Rthur]

The Hitlergruß doesn't get a contextual pass. Never.

Humor has died here as well.

R

 

[MtnCreek]

Damned nazis.

 

[Veer_G]

Humor has died here as well.

R

Humor died at Oak Creek, among other places.

Shit like this needs to be squashed, hard.

 

[Rthur]

Humor died at Oak Creek, among other places.

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Shit like this needs to be squashed, hard.

One photo made as an insult to their CO doesn't make a Hitler youth org.

R

 

[Veer_G]

Damned nazis.

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Arguing with you is like wrestling with a pig in its sty.

Wave bye-bye, y'all.

 

[Tucker301]

I tend to have an issue with government employees being fired from government jobs for making gestures of any kind.
I personally believe that there is no such thing as "Hate Speech", as that's a can of worms best left unopened.

Speech, gestures, etc. are interpreted subjectively, meaning the offended get to decide whether or not they are offensive.

I'm not saying what these people did was right or smart in any way. If their gesture, captured here in still frame, was indeed to show support for a vile ideal, then it was certainly stupid, but we should and do have the right to be stupid.
After all, "stupid" is also subjective.

 

[Expert684]

Some one could have asked them: by show of hands who wants a raise?

 

[deersniper]

Humor died at Oak Creek, among other places.

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Shit like this needs to be squashed, hard.

I agree. Being proud of your race is a horrible thing. I’m sure you feel the same way about these events et al

 

[Tucker301]

Interesting that the "news" chose to crop the caption from the photo. Wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea after all.

The photo, which was included in graduation packets, carries the state seal and the official symbol of the Division of Corrections and Rehabilitation. It is captioned "Hail Byrd," a reference, officials say, to instructor Karrie Byrd, who was responsible for teaching cultural diversity

According to the executive summary report drafted by Division of Corrections and Rehabilitation Commissioner Betsy Jividen, the hand gesture started in the second or third week of the academy session as a sign of respect for Byrd.

"The investigation disclosed that she encouraged it, reveled in it, and at times reciprocated the gesture," the documents state.

The picture was apparently taken at the request of Byrd. Multiple cadets allege it was taken several times because not everyone agreed to participate in the gesture. In the end, in an effort to comply with Byrd's order of the salute, seven people opted to hold up a closed fist.

Byrd told investigators she was unaware of the "historical or racial implications of the gesture." She insisted it was "simply a greeting," according to the report. But her statement was contradicted by multiple sources, the report says.

 

[Fig]

One of my buddies in the Navy used to hold out his hand in front of your face (ala stop) and say, ’shut up”, or ”your mama”, or “your daddy’s gay”, or some stupid thing we thought was hilarious in his thick Cajun accent. We sort of all started holding out our hands to each other saying “shut up”. There is a picture of us all IN Israel, doing JTOps with the IDF, that looks like we’re giving a Nazi salute. This is on film mind you, and I thought nothing of it at the time. We were just goofing off, but when I got the pictures back I was sort of shocked when I came across that one, because it was immediately clear that anyone looking at it would think we were giving a Nazi salute.

Not an apologism of Nazism, just an inside joke that would have looked bad if anyone outside of us saw it.

 

[eca7891]

Byrd told investigators she was unaware of the "historical or racial implications of the gesture." She insisted it was "simply a greeting," according to the report. But her statement was contradicted by multiple sources, the report says

A diversity officer does not know wtf that means....

That is the biggest stack of horse shit I have seen lately.

 

[Tucker301]

A diversity officer does not know wtf that means....

That is the biggest stack of horse shit I have seen lately.

You would think that if anyone should be fired it would be her.

 

[deersniper]

“s captioned "Hail Byrd," a reference, officials say, to instructor Karrie Byrd, who was responsible for teaching cultural diversity”


No wonder they rebelled after having that bs shoved down their throats.

 

[Veer_G]

A diversity officer does not know wtf that means....

That is the biggest stack of horse shit I have seen lately.

Hey, baby, 'cause it's heritage, not hatred, right?

 

[eca7891]

You would think that if anyone should be fired it would be her.

Indeed!
WTF!

 

[Veer_G]

“s captioned "Hail Byrd," a reference, officials say, to instructor Karrie Byrd, who was responsible for teaching cultural diversity”


No wonder they rebelled after having that bs shoved down their throats.

I sure as fuck hope you never cross my path in life.

 

[MtnCreek]

I agree. Being proud of your race is a horrible thing. I’m sure you feel the same way about these events et al

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I have my own resort?

 

[deersniper]

I sure as fuck hope you never cross my path in life.

You’re as racist as they come. You don’t want equality. You want to be on a pedestal and stir up as much shit a sale possible from hundreds of years ago.

Minorities have it better than at any point in history but the leftists/statists/useful idiots need to keep up the hateful banter so we don’t focus on what our masters are doing.

You are part of the problem.


I just want everyone treated equally. Ie equal opportunity not equal outcome. Is jobs prison etc. you want no part of that.

 

[Redmanss]

They all knew damn good and well what they were doing, hence the mixture of fists with the normal salute. That nobody stood up and told them to shove it up their ass shows they were nothing but chickenshit lemmings.

It's a shame that 75 years after hundreds of thousands of America's best gave their lives to defeat the most evil force seen in centuries, that we have shit like this happening. Just like the rising of socialism in America needs to be crushed, so does any and every inch of fascism related to the evil Third Reich. It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with good vs. evil.

 

[Veer_G]

You’re as racist as they come. You don’t want equality. You want to be on a pedestal and stir up as much shit a sale possible from hundreds of years ago.

Minorities have it better than at any point in history but the leftists/statists/useful idiots need to keep up the hateful banter so we don’t focus on what our masters are doing.

You are part of the problem.


I just want everyone treated equally. Ie equal opportunity not equal outcome. Is jobs prison etc. you want no part of that.

You're funny. Antifa would think me a fascist, and you would think me a commie. Being that extremist makes you part of the problem, in my eyes. I don't want to be on a pedestal. I just want a fair shot at not being chained to the back of an F-150. Unfortunately, you don't give me much hope in that regard.

 

[eca7891]

Popcorn is still in the microwave.

can you two give me 5 minutes.

grabbing a drink too

 

[MtnCreek]

 

[GBMaryland]

Deutschland Deutschland über alles....

Man, I’m from a family full of Nazis back in the day… And I would never have done what those bozos did.

Granted, I myself I’m not a Nazi… But even if you were you’d have to be smart enough not to do something so incredibly stupid.

 

[W54/XM-388]

It's a shame that 75 years after hundreds of thousands of America's best gave their lives to defeat the most evil force seen in centuries, that we have shit like this happening. Just like the rising of socialism in America needs to be crushed, so does any and every inch of fascism related to the evil Third Reich. It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with good vs. evil.

Communists murdered over 100 million people last century....
We spent a good 40 years fighting a "cold" war against them (Whenever the politicians weren't helping them).

Yet right here at West Point.......

So do folks ever learn??? Nope, never.

 

[Veer_G]

Deutschland Deutschland über alles....

Man, I’m from a family full of Nazis back in the day… And I would never have done what those bozos did.

Granted, I myself I’m not a Nazi… But even if you were you’d have to be smart enough not to do something so incredibly stupid.

And yet they're being defended in here.

 

[Redmanss]

Communists murdered over 100 million people last century....
We spent a good 40 years fighting a "cold" war against them (Whenever the politicians weren't helping them).

Yet right here at West Point.......

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So do folks ever learn??? Nope, never.

Yep, a damn shame. I'd still love to monkey stomp that mother fucker and anyone else like him.

 

[deersniper]

You're funny. Antifa would think me a fascist, and you would think me a commie. Being that extremist makes you part of the problem, in my eyes. I don't want to be on a pedestal. I just want a fair shot at not being chained to the back of an F-150. Unfortunately, you don't give me much hope in that regard.

If you think that, you still don’t know anything about me and are assuming

I just want equality in all things.

This thinking would be heckled out of the Democrat and probably Republican Party for being back ward thinking

 

[MtnCreek]

More damn nazis.

 

[Veer_G]

If you think that, you still don’t know anything about me and are assuming

I just want equality in all things.

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This thinking would be heckled out of the Democrat and probably Republican Party for being back ward thinking

Oh, yeah, Snippy, you're one of the good guys, uh huh.

 

[deersniper]

Keep advocating for different treatment.

You will just keep alienating more people and making them resentful or worse.

 

[wade2big]

It’s a picture. Who cares. It’s a hand gesture. Who cares. Nazi Germany has been decimated decades ago. If this picture were taken 50 years ago then I would think differently. Shit like this gets attention while real issues get nothing. If a black power gesture was made people would think it’s “cute”.

 

[Veer_G]

 

[fdkay]

Used to be done all the time when Pledging Allegiance to the Flag

 

[deersniper]

Is this also a Nazi reference?

 

[Redmanss]

Used to be done all the time when Pledging Allegiance to the Flag
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The Bellamy Salute was used long before the Nazi Empire rose, and was taken out of usage in 1942 as a direct result of the Nazis taking the extended hand salute for their own.

 

[Fig]

Nazis don't fucking own raising your hand for all time. Yes, if you say "Heil Hitler" when you do it it's a Nazi salute. But it's pretty much been a universal sign of "hail" since the dawn of time, and I do not believe they should get to own it forever. If so why aren't people really angry that they stole it from the totalitarian, Roman Emperors?

This reminds me of when the teacher got fired for using the word "niggardly" because the word sounds like the other racial epithet and an ignorant parent got triggered by it. Yet, they are etymologically completely unrelated. Is that word simply too close to the racial epithet to ever be used? Is it racist to use it? Why isn't the word "trigger" also considered racist, because it's sounds just as close the racial epithet as niggardly?

This kind of thing is ignorant horseshit. Yes, it was poor judgment, because it does indeed look bad, but it is clearly some sort of inside joke, and it should have been kept inside. Back in the day it would have been and everybody would have gone about their non-racist lives in peace, but that isn't today with the internet making everything national news...

I'm just saying that automatically ascribing racism and the worst possible intentions to all these people is wrong. I know, because I've been in a picture that looked very similar, and I'm just glad it's a photograph in a box in my closet and not out there on the internet where people who weren't there can ascribe whatever meaning they want to it.

Do you really think all those cadets are racist Nazis? I've met one, single, actual American (or said he was anyway) Nazi in my whole life, and he was a weird as fuck close-talker who was obviously mentally disturbed. Other than that I've only seen them in documentaries. It looks like there are probably about fifty of them in the whole country, mostly in Northern Idaho...

Incidentally, the Cajun shooter who started the whole thing is dead now, RIP. Even if I'm watching "Downfall" when they salute I see that angry frown under dark eyebrows and hear a Coon-Ass saying ,"Shut Up" in my head.

 

[Fig]

The Bellamy Salute was used long before the Nazi Empire rose, and was taken out of usage in 1942 as a direct result of the Nazis taking the extended hand salute for their own.

Those fucking Nazis are why we can't have nice things!