Sidearms & Scatterguns Sig issues

Alaskaman11

Alaskaman11

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#1
So took my Sig 229 Enhanced Elite that you guys helped me pick out. First time running was a dream. I could not be any happier with it's function or it's accuracy. My only gripe with it is it's sights, at 3 yards, 5 yards, 10 and 15 yards, with the sights, it shoot 3 to 4 inchs low. Is this commen?
 
#2
Re: Sig issues

Try different ammo, they zero them at the factory, but dont know what they use. You may can call them and find out. Almost every bullets POI will be a little bit diferent.

When doing load tests with my pistol with my handloads, each different powder charge or seating depth grouped in different spots, I got lucky and found the max charge eating the center of the target up.

You can adjust your sight picture, or replace front sight to lower one.
 
#3
Re: Sig issues

Shooter error...

Pretty typical you see it every class, groups great but is low, just goes to show you how consistently bad you can shoot.

Sights are fine, I am Sig heavy use them a lot never saw one shoot "low' what wasn't a shooter issue.
 
#4
Re: Sig issues

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shooter error...

Pretty typical you see it every class, groups great but is low, just goes to show you how consistently bad you can shoot.

Sights are fine, I am Sig heavy use them a lot never saw one shoot "low' what wasn't a shooter issue. </div></div>

Just about anyone else I would bark at, but since Yoda is speaking, I will listen, I make sure I have equal pressure from both hands, thumb to thumb. Not too much pressure on the trigger as to throw the shots to the left or right, what else could be?
 
#5
Re: Sig issues

Are you placing the the front post over where you want to strike? With some front sights you would pace the front sight just under where you want to strike. With the Sig 229 which I carry for work (also a firearms instructor) you must place the front post right on the X ring. The front post should be covering up where you want the round to strike. Are you running Sig sights or a after market brand? Night sights?

If that isn't the issue maybe this might help.

http://www.centerfiretraining.com/id15.html

http://www.usacarry.com/twuble-shooting/
 
#6
Re: Sig issues

Another thought make sure when shooting that the top of the front post is level with the rear sight. They should be on the same plane. I see shooters claim that there gun is shooting low. After some quick instructor those rounds always come up. If it's not how your pressing the trigger then it's going to be a how your aligning the sights.
 
#7
Re: Sig issues

Ya thanks, I have my fundaments down tight as it comes to sight picture. I have tried target picture, where the point of impact should be at the top of the front sight and cover the point, why I thought it was the firearm is I don't have the issue with my 1911s or my glocks or walthers. But as frank says, it could be my form. I don't know.
 
#8
Re: Sig issues

Sigs are generally pretty solid especially the Elite series, I have a P229 Elite myself I shoot a lot here and all of them out of the box are usually pretty square.

Doesn't mean it can't be an issue, anything is possible, but I would experiment with it a bit more.

Use an inverted "T" or something to check it for accuracy.
 
#11
Re: Sig issues

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sigs are generally pretty solid especially the Elite series, I have a P229 Elite myself I shoot a lot here and all of them out of the box are usually pretty square.

Doesn't mean it can't be an issue, anything is possible, but I would experiment with it a bit more.

Use an inverted "T" or something to check it for accuracy. </div></div>
Lowlight said:
I don't know the "inverted T" method, can you bring me up to speed? I'm also having a friend shoot it this week for me, I'm not going to say anything, this guybis a combat handgun shooting instructor, so if it does not do it for him, then I'll know it's me.....Its more then likely its me.
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#12
Re: Sig issues

There has been many quality control issues with Sig recently.We have had issues where a entire batch of TacOPs 1911 (that were issued to SWAT guys) that had to be returned some 2x before they would run right.this also included 4 with front sight pins that were backing out and 2 that had loose rear sights.
We have also experienced problems with 220's where entire slides were replaced.

The front sights are numbered they usually come with #8 sights.With all of the issues with quality control and what you have said I would check to see if the front sight is the same as the rear OR you may have to replace it with a different size one.

Just my .02
 
#13
Re: Sig issues

I had this exact problem with my P226 Enhanced Elite I bought less than a month ago. It shot 3-4" low and I thought it was me so I picked up my Glock and it was dead center, then I went to my M&P and again dead center, so just to REALLY make sure I dug WAY back in the gun safe and pulled out a Walther P22 and AGAIN dead center...

So my deductive reasoning powers tell me it's the Sig and not me.
 
#14
Re: Sig issues

The point of impact change depends on the shooter with each specific gun... if you can shoot well centered with another gun not necesarily translates to another. Small grip, trigger differences translate into large POI variations.

I'm not a super expert, but I often take some of my friend's (good shots with other guns) handguns that "can't shoot a damm" or "shoot too low/high/left/right" and produce small, well centered groups at any distance
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#15
Re: Sig issues

I too just shot my new P226 Elite Dark TB sunday and i had to cover my POI at 10 yds. Is that normal? I always thought POI was on top of FSP. Also anyone have mag issues lately with newly purchased P226 9mms? One mag is failing to feed both with 9mm 115 and 147s, the other is fine. Factory Defect? The feed lips do no show any signs of deformation.
 
#16
Re: Sig issues

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheGonz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I too just shot my new P226 Elite Dark TB sunday and i had to cover my POI at 10 yds. Is that normal? I always thought POI was on top of FSP. Also anyone have mag issues lately with newly purchased P226 9mms? One mag is failing to feed both with 9mm 115 and 147s, the other is fine. Factory Defect? The feed lips do no show any signs of deformation. </div></div>

I haven't shot mine enough to know if the mags are good to go or not. I bought three of the Mec-gar 18 round mags and shot mostly with them with zero issues (probably 200 rounds or so)
 
#18
Re: Sig issues

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: leprechaun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There has been many quality control issues with Sig recently.We have had issues where a entire batch of TacOPs 1911 (that were issued to SWAT guys) that had to be returned some 2x before they would run right.this also included 4 with front sight pins that were backing out and 2 that had loose rear sights.
We have also experienced problems with 220's where entire slides were replaced.

The front sights are numbered they usually come with #8 sights.With all of the issues with quality control and what you have said I would check to see if the front sight is the same as the rear OR you may have to replace it with a different size one.

Just my .02</div></div>

Talking with Kyle Defoor, he's seen multiple shooters in class who had issues with POI because Sig installed the incorrect number rear sights to match their front sight height.

I'd be surprised if it put you off 4" up close, but Sig isn't exactly known for their flawless QC these days...
 
#19
Re: Sig issues

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheGonz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I too just shot my new P226 Elite Dark TB sunday and i had to cover my POI at 10 yds. Is that normal? I always thought POI was on top of FSP. Also anyone have mag issues lately with newly purchased P226 9mms? One mag is failing to feed both with 9mm 115 and 147s, the other is fine. Factory Defect? The feed lips do no show any signs of deformation. </div></div>

Sig Sauer just sent me two new mags to replaced my failing ones. The two factory mags were failing to feed, but 4 20 rd mags function flawlessly. Heres a vid of the failing mag. Kudos to Sig for excellent customer service. Just called and told them the issue and they didn't even hesitate to send out two working mags.
http://youtu.be/KvNrU66PCRk
 
#20
Re: Sig issues

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheGonz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheGonz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I too just shot my new P226 Elite Dark TB sunday and i had to cover my POI at 10 yds. Is that normal? I always thought POI was on top of FSP. Also anyone have mag issues lately with newly purchased P226 9mms? One mag is failing to feed both with 9mm 115 and 147s, the other is fine. Factory Defect? The feed lips do no show any signs of deformation. </div></div>

Sig Sauer just sent me two new mags to replaced my failing ones. The two factory mags were failing to feed, but 4 20 rd mags function flawlessly. Heres a vid of the failing mag. Kudos to Sig for excellent customer service. Just called and told them the issue and they didn't even hesitate to send out two working mags.
http://youtu.be/KvNrU66PCRk </div></div>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvNrU66PCRk
 
#21
Re: Sig issues

Like leprechaun said some sig's have their issues, more seeming to occur lately.
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I had my entire gun replaced not just the slide (220). I would highly advise anyone using the 10rnd mag with the spacer or sleeve at the base to check them carefully. I have 3 and after some VERY light range use they dont go back together.
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The floor plate fails to engage on the bottom of the mag. So be wary if you have the 10rnd'rs. I tried calling sig but phone tree wasnt much help. I'll be trying a new # in the near future.
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In general sigs are accurate but not impressed with the quality/durability as of late. Especially when i depend on it
 
#22
Re: Sig issues

I agree. Find a round you like, sight your gun in & stick with the exact round/grain, etc. If that fails then it's shooter error.

If I was you I'd just forget about Sig & come over to the dark side! GLOCK! hahaha!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HighPoint</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try different ammo, they zero them at the factory, but dont know what they use. You may can call them and find out. Almost every bullets POI will be a little bit diferent.

When doing load tests with my pistol with my handloads, each different powder charge or seating depth grouped in different spots, I got lucky and found the max charge eating the center of the target up.

You can adjust your sight picture, or replace front sight to lower one. </div></div>
 
#23
Re: Sig issues

My girlfriends P238 is going back to find out why the slide is locking up periodically. My G23 is going in my waste band because it always works... Sorry I had to! I hope you figure out what the issue is sooner rather than later.
 
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