So impeachment bullshit; do I have this right?

[TheGerman]

- Democrats want to impeach Trump because they are under the impression he tried to leverage aide or whatever we were sending to Ukraine for his own personal benefit/gain. They have yet to explain what he asked for and/or how he would have benefted from it, if this were true.

- During the investigation we find out that the President of Ukraine ended up not wanting to meet with Trump not because of this supposed extortion attempt, but rather to keep secret an internal investigation that only certain people in Ukraine knew about into a large corporation based in Ukraine.

- The aide/money earmarked for Ukraine would have gone through the corporation that the Ukrainians were secretly investigating, hence why it was totally ok to not release the money.

- Further into the investigation, we find out that politicians' children are literally working for/with and/or on the fucking Board of Directors of this corporation in Ukraine being investigated for money laundering and all sorts of shit. We also find out that a ton of other politicians' children are on the Boards and/or have positions at other Ukrainian oil companies who operate very similiar to the one thats being secretly investigated.

- The Ukrainians didn't want to even tell Trump about this because their fear was with the amount of shitbird politician children involved in this shit, it would get back to the main shitbirds in Congress.

- All of this comes out, and now the democrats want to table this because of the upcoming election.

Am I close? It's been a bit hard to follow with all of the bullshit media.

 

[rtB]

While what you spell out I believe to be correct, I think it goes deeper and wider.

Since the maiden revolution Ukraine has been simply a totally corrupt money laundering scam. From what I understand we're talking billions of taxpayer dollars being shuttled through NGOs with many politicos elbow deep in the cookie jar.

 

[pmclaine]

If Sen Linda Graham has her way we wont find out what was going on in the Ukraine.

S/He is going to speed this through to an immediate vote and have 51 votes to make it go away.

The Republicans are as wrapped up in the Ukraine as the Democrats.

Neither side wants to let Trump have a trial and actually call witnesses that will land people from both parties in jail.

If Linda gets her way the Dems are going to be able to say "They Impeached the bastard", giving them cover with the NKVD communist wing of the party, but they were denied their finding of guilt because the criminal Republicans covered for him.

Its a shit show swamp theatre of the greatest proportions.

 

[Snuby642]

Dificulty keeping up last few days, recovering from eye surgey etc.

Dims now want to table the impeachment?

I have to get a beer so I have something to spew.

 

[Bender]

I hope they continue the full retard push.

It has helped Trump 10x more than hurt them.

Let the baby tantrums continue.

 

[FS1]

If you were trying to Impeach a guy to hide crimes you have committed? Would that be Treason?

If Joe is so pearly white and pure why not give him the pleasure of a special prosecutor for a couple of years. Trump survived the same, so why worry Dems?

 

[MK20]

@TheGerman

here you go. If you want further reading let me know.

Basically the dems were using the State dept and foreign aid in conjunction to effectively buy the allegiance of politicians from foreign countries that were in trouble such as Ukraine.

The foreign aid would be applied largely at State’s advice and would be used to prop up these politicians who would then be loyal to their Dem friends who were ensuring the continual flow of this aid.

State and their friends in FBI, etc would them use this influence to ask the foreign politicians to find “new evidence” about political opponents.

These politicians would then manufacture the evidence, launder it through their own LE/investigative bodies to the embassy in Ukraine, where it would then be used to attack the Republicans. Thus you could manufacture any dirt you wanted against your opponent and it would appear to come from an ally of the US with no dog in the fight. A legitimate source.
kinda dirty, ain’t it?

This is how the Trump/Russia thing was started out of whole cloth.

 

[pmclaine]

@TheGerman

here you go. If you want further reading let me know.

Basically the dems were using the State dept and foreign aid in conjunction to effectively buy the allegiance of politicians from foreign countries that were in trouble such as Ukraine.

The foreign aid would be applied largely at State’s advice and would be used to prop up these politicians who would then be loyal to their Dem friends who were ensuring the continual flow of this aid.

State and their friends in FBI, etc would them use this influence to ask the foreign politicians to find “new evidence” about political opponents.

These politicians would then manufacture the evidence, launder it through their own LE/investigative bodies to the embassy in Ukraine, where it would then be used to attack the Republicans. Thus you could manufacture any dirt you wanted against your opponent and it would appear to come from an ally of the US with no dog in the fight. A legitimate source.
kinda dirty, ain’t it?

This is how the Trump/Russia thing was started out of whole cloth.

Not only Dems.

I think some Rs decided it was a good scam and aligned with the dems while maintaining the R affiliation.

See..........L Graham, J McCain (may his soul rest in torment), Mittens Romney.

 

[clcustom1911]

Sounds about right to me.

 

[powdahound76]

Pissed because I am certain there is a lot of truth, especially about Graham and Romney. Piles others as well.
All it takes is a look at pre-office $ and post-office $ one has.

Obummer and his husband are worth $134 million I read a week or two ago.
not bAd return for one’s soul..........

 

[jcomar1]

The whole thing is stupid but this is what our government has become.

 

[Charger442]

@TheGerman

here you go. If you want further reading let me know.

Basically the dems were using the State dept and foreign aid in conjunction to effectively buy the allegiance of politicians from foreign countries that were in trouble such as Ukraine.

The foreign aid would be applied largely at State’s advice and would be used to prop up these politicians who would then be loyal to their Dem friends who were ensuring the continual flow of this aid.

State and their friends in FBI, etc would them use this influence to ask the foreign politicians to find “new evidence” about political opponents.

These politicians would then manufacture the evidence, launder it through their own LE/investigative bodies to the embassy in Ukraine, where it would then be used to attack the Republicans. Thus you could manufacture any dirt you wanted against your opponent and it would appear to come from an ally of the US with no dog in the fight. A legitimate source.
kinda dirty, ain’t it?

This is how the Trump/Russia thing was started out of whole cloth.

That would mean Alexandra Chalupa was the bag lady, going directly to the embassy in washington to get the goods. Its how they got Manafort.

 

[zeroz]

When this shit goes down in flames all these assholes should have to pay back every dime out of their pockets back to the taxpayers. What the fuck has this cost?

 

[isofahunter]

Billions and Billions of dollars of US AID just vanished from a bank there and NO ONE wants that investigated, NO ONE.

 

[WestDesertPRS]

When this shit goes down in flames all these assholes should have to pay back every dime out of their pockets back to the taxpayers. What the fuck has this cost?

I'm concerned it isn't going down in flames at all...

We have swamp/deep state investigators leading the investigation into the deep state swamp. And a complicit media in their back pocket to spread any propaganda they decree. All they're going to "find" is the shit we see with the IG report. There are some positives in that report but overall it's written to provide cover to the federal agencies running ops against the US

I can only hope that Durham is going to take people down in a big way. The Left is already firing up the smear campaign so there's a chance he found real malfeasance.

 

[Snuby642]

If nothing wrong is found it's because you did an excellent job not looking.

Even the politicians I vote for are dirty.

 

[MtnCreek]

If nothing wrong is found it's because you did an excellent job not looking.

Even the politicians I vote for are dirty.

I vote for Veto just to keep that fucking Barzini out of office.

 

[Fig]

- Democrats want to impeach Trump because they are under the impression he tried to leverage aide or whatever we were sending to Ukraine for his own personal benefit/gain. They have yet to explain what he asked for and/or how he would have benefted from it, if this were true.

They allege that he asked Ukraine to investigate "his main political rival" solely for the purpose of the election, and that this also constitutes involving a foreign power in our election. They allege that the idea that the Bidens were engaging in a pay to play scheme whereby Hunter Biden received payment for being on the Burisma board he did not merit and wasn't qualified for is a conspiracy theory, and they keep claiming is debunked with no sources or evidence. They additionally claim that wanting to look into "Crowd Strike", the Ukrainian company that was the sole "investigator" of the hacking of the DNC server (Not the FBI or any US intelligence arm), and that proclaimed Russian hacking without a shred of public evidence, is a "debunked" conspiracy theory. Again, there has never been any investigation to debunk it.

So really the first article of impeachment (Abuse of Power) requires that you believe there is no legitimate reason to investigate corruption or intervention (Crowd Strike) in the 2016 election by Ukraine, as well as it being off limits to investigate any corruption between Ukraine and US officials and their families. Really only in that absence can you conclude that MAGA's motives were as nefarious as they claim and it rises to the level or a crime/betrayal/etc. This is entirely about motive, and about stopping investigations into the real corruption by repeatedly claiming they've been debunked with zero evidence despite that they stink to high heaven...

- During the investigation we find out that the President of Ukraine ended up not wanting to meet with Trump not because of this supposed extortion attempt, but rather to keep secret an internal investigation that only certain people in Ukraine knew about into a large corporation based in Ukraine.

Not only that, but the Ukrainians deny there was any pressure or they knew the military aid was being withheld. Zelinski himself says there was nothing nefarious in the phone call, which is why that whole thrust of the impeachment went away. That required a victim and Zelinski would not cooperate with their coup attempt.

- The aide/money earmarked for Ukraine would have gone through the corporation that the Ukrainians were secretly investigating, hence why it was totally ok to not release the money.

- Further into the investigation, we find out that politicians' children are literally working for/with and/or on the fucking Board of Directors of this corporation in Ukraine being investigated for money laundering and all sorts of shit. We also find out that a ton of other politicians' children are on the Boards and/or have positions at other Ukrainian oil companies who operate very similiar to the one thats being secretly investigated.

- The Ukrainians didn't want to even tell Trump about this because their fear was with the amount of shitbird politician children involved in this shit, it would get back to the main shitbirds in Congress.

Including Hunter Biden.

- All of this comes out, and now the democrats want to table this because of the upcoming election.

Am I close? It's been a bit hard to follow with all of the bullshit media.

The train has left the station. Impeachment is on. They're pot committed.

 

[Choid]

- During the investigation we find out that the President of Ukraine ended up not wanting to meet with Trump not because of this supposed extortion attempt, but rather to keep secret an internal investigation that only certain people in Ukraine knew about into a large corporation based in Ukraine.

- The aide/money earmarked for Ukraine would have gone through the corporation that the Ukrainians were secretly investigating, hence why it was totally ok to not release the money.

Which corporation is this? I try not to pay too much attention to politics.

 

[FS1]

Awan secret trials, sealed info based on Nat Security concerns.

This is bigger than Ukraine. Ukraine likely is bad but it is the “look over here” “while we scurry over here.

Impeachment is a game...they can’t win, so why play. The smear machine thinks they are invincible. Smear Trump is the goal. The peeps ain’t buying it.

 

[Fig]

 

[OldSalty]

I recommend that everyone read the following letter sent from Trump to Pelosi.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Letter-from-President-Trump-final.pdf

 

[TriggerReed357]

- Democrats want to impeach Trump because they are under the impression he tried to leverage aide or whatever we were sending to Ukraine for his own personal benefit/gain. They have yet to explain what he asked for and/or how he would have benefted from it, if this were true.

- During the investigation we find out that the President of Ukraine ended up not wanting to meet with Trump not because of this supposed extortion attempt, but rather to keep secret an internal investigation that only certain people in Ukraine knew about into a large corporation based in Ukraine.

- The aide/money earmarked for Ukraine would have gone through the corporation that the Ukrainians were secretly investigating, hence why it was totally ok to not release the money.

- Further into the investigation, we find out that politicians' children are literally working for/with and/or on the fucking Board of Directors of this corporation in Ukraine being investigated for money laundering and all sorts of shit. We also find out that a ton of other politicians' children are on the Boards and/or have positions at other Ukrainian oil companies who operate very similiar to the one thats being secretly investigated.

- The Ukrainians didn't want to even tell Trump about this because their fear was with the amount of shitbird politician children involved in this shit, it would get back to the main shitbirds in Congress.

- All of this comes out, and now the democrats want to table this because of the upcoming election.

Am I close? It's been a bit hard to follow with all of the bullshit media.

Sadly ever since he stepped foot in the WH they have been trying to impeach him. Literally 23 days after he swore in they started taking about impeachment.......... Peer Review....Check My Math..... this whole thing is a premeditated attack.

 

[Ravenworks]

Sadly ever since he stepped foot in the WH they have been trying to impeach him. Literally 23 days after he swore in they started taking about impeachment.......... Peer Review....Check My Math..... this whole thing is a premeditated attack.

Huh?
It was more like 12 minutes after he was swore in when the Washington post let a story rip about Dems wanting to impeach him.

 

[theLBC]

Billions and Billions of dollars of US AID just vanished from a bank there and NO ONE wants that investigated, NO ONE.

actually the ukranians want to find out where it all went, but yovanovich blocked their visas.

 

[Carlos Danger]

I would like to see one Republican step up to the mic and say... "So you claim Trump solicited help from a foreign country to help him win the 2020 election. Which one of you fucks believes Trump thought he actually needed ANYONE'S help to win the next election? Trump sure as fuck doesn't think so."

 

[Mr.BR]

actually the ukranians want to find out where it all went, but yovanovich blocked their visas.

Yes because only minor part of money that was stolen was US aid rest were Ukrainian public funds stolen on far larger scale

U.S. Aid Makes Corrupt Countries More Corrupt

Our 'democracy building' assistance to certain countries--including Ukraine--has produced kleptocracies, or worse.

www.theamericanconservative.com

 

[theLBC]

Yes because only minor part of money that was stolen was US aid rest were Ukrainian public funds stolen on far larger scale

U.S. Aid Makes Corrupt Countries More Corrupt

Our 'democracy building' assistance to certain countries--including Ukraine--has produced kleptocracies, or worse.

www.theamericanconservative.com

yes, this is the proverbial tip of the iceberg. that is why the panic is so strong. dark to light.
billions were doled out to various shady corporations like Burisma or NGOs (see Soros) and then siphoned off from those entities by hundreds of small companies that were created in a matter of days to months. it looks like much of this money was laundered through 2 or more countries, ending up at Frankin Templeton, an investment firm involved in democrat campaign finance (and that has many congressional investors, like adam schitt).

The American fund participated in the laundering of money stolen from the state budget of Ukraine: some of it was received by Biden’s son

On November 14, the General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine brought new charges against Nikolai Zlochevsky, a member of the “family” of fugitive Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and owner of the controversial energy company Burisma. These documents refer to the laundering of funds stolen...

www.forumdaily.com

 

[theLBC]

more....

The Game's Afoot in Ukraine: Burisma Reportedly Indicted for Money Laundering

pjmedia.com

 

[Darayavaus]

While what you spell out I believe to be correct, I think it goes deeper and wider.

Since the maiden revolution Ukraine has been simply a totally corrupt money laundering scam. From what I understand we're talking billions of taxpayer dollars being shuttled through NGOs with many politicos elbow deep in the cookie jar.

Between that and Syria, John McCain was Sooooooooooooooooooo close to starting that war with Russia that he always wanted, too. He could taste it.

 

[Darayavaus]

Not only Dems.

I think some Rs decided it was a good scam and aligned with the dems while maintaining the R affiliation.

See..........L Graham, J McCain (may his soul rest in torment), Mittens Romney.

A neocon is a globalist who wants to use the US military unconstitutionally for a one-world agenda. Ie, destroy any recreant independent nation who does not bow to the world-state. These people confuse patriotic Americans because they hide behind the flag and are very pro-military ....... but when you scratch their surface, you see where their true loyalties lay; they despise the idea of protecting our own borders and national sovereignty. They are bought and owned by globalist money. See John McCain, Max Boot.

 

[theLBC]

A neocon is a globalist who wants to use the US military unconstitutionally for a one-world agenda. Ie, destroy any recreant independent nation who does not bow to the world-state. These people confuse patriotic Americans because they hide behind the flag and are very pro-military ....... but when you scratch their surface, you see where their true loyalties lay; they despise the idea of protecting our own borders and national sovereignty. They are bought and owned by globalist money. See John McCain, Max Boot.

yup, puppets of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and Israel. Sacrificing american lives for???
funding and arming terrorists in Syria, and then pretending they are the enemy.
and now we find out that they have been siphoning off our tax dollars by giving "aid" to corrupt countries that then funnel a percentage of the take back to the politicians or their families and friends.

 

[Steel+Killer]

Neither side wants to let Trump have a trial and actually call witnesses that will land people from both parties in jail.

Man its good to see that some people still have faith in our judicial system. Santa Claus is real don't let anyone tell you different.

Huh?
It was more like 12 minutes after he was swore in when the Washington post let a story rip about Dems wanting to impeach him.

Huh?
It was more like the minute he came down the escalator to announce he was running.

 

[sticky51]

It's all a show so Democrats can talk about something other than the fact they have nobody to challenge the President in the election. No domestic policy, except a socialist pipe dream based on unrealistic promises. Not gonna happen, Nancy.

 

[pmclaine]

Huh?
It was more like the minute he came down the escalator to announce he was running.

Nah, What is sweet is that for a time the media pumped Trump up because they wanted to hurt his opponents yet they never believed he would win.

They had a tiger, that tiger being the actual common sense beliefs of the nation, by the tail and didnt know it.

The media does its best to pick the conservative candidate, i.e. - the worst one.

Their inability to understand how pissed people are and their smugness lead them into a trap with Trump.

The media does the same mind control Google does just less subtlety.

 

[Dewey7271]

Pissed because I am certain there is a lot of truth, especially about Graham and Romney. Piles others as well.
All it takes is a look at pre-office $ and post-office $ one has.

Obummer and his husband are worth $134 million I read a week or two ago.
not bAd return for one’s soul..........

Yeah, and what’s with that?

These bums go into office without a pot to piss in and walk away multimillionaires.
How’s that happen?

 

[Mr.BR]

Rule of Law -> total joke

FBI lying to the courts to get FISA warrants is now coined just as sloppy work .. WTF they likely mean geting caught doing it is the sloppy part. Yet no one i going to se inside of a Jail .

While here whole shit show is about witholding aid to a corroupt regime.

Also seing both Muller and Comey talk , makes you wonder how low is the bar set for top FBI posts , incopetent morons and sociopaths both of them. If this guy is not prime candidate for jail then who is.

 

[pmclaine]

Yeah, and what’s with that?

These bums go into office without a pot to piss in and walk away multimillionaires.
How’s that happen?

.....and they had the balls to bring up the emoluments clause yesterday.

Said Pres should have no other income than his salary - "He works only for the people".

Those rules apply to all elected yet they are all worth more than their salaries would provide.

 

[theLBC]

.....and they had the balls to bring up the emoluments clause yesterday.

Said Pres should have no other income than his salary - "He works only for the people".

Those rules apply to all elected yet they are all worth more than their salaries would provide.

trump donates his salary back to other programs, so he doesn't even take his paycheck.
the dems are idiots.

 

[Fig]

Jail?

 

[pmclaine]

Rule of Law -> total joke

FBI lying to the courts to get FISA warrants is now coined just as sloppy work .. WTF they likely mean geting caught doing it is the sloppy part. Yet no one i going to se inside of a Jail .

While here whole shit show is about witholding aid to a corroupt regime.

Also seing both Muller and Comey talk , makes you wonder how low is the bar set for top FBI posts , incopetent morons and sociopaths both of them. If this guy is not prime candidate for jail then who is.

Judge on the FISA court dropped the gavel and wants an answer from the FBI.

If they expect any sort of real reform the first step requires firing Christopher Wray.

Guy is useless, an embarrassment.

 

[pmclaine]

Rule of Law -> total joke

FBI lying to the courts to get FISA warrants is now coined just as sloppy work .. WTF they likely mean geting caught doing it is the sloppy part. Yet no one i going to se inside of a Jail .

While here whole shit show is about witholding aid to a corroupt regime.

Also seing both Muller and Comey talk , makes you wonder how low is the bar set for top FBI posts , incopetent morons and sociopaths both of them. If this guy is not prime candidate for jail then who is.

Good thing about Comeys TV appearances is that you can watch the pallor and composition of his face to realize he is in distress.

He may talk tough but the color of his skin, the bags under is eyes and the sagging appearance of the face indicates to me the guy understands he is in the doo doo.

 

[FS1]

Jail?

Too quick. I want to see them kick and choke at the end of a rope.

 

[Expert684]

I read the Dimwits tried this with George Bush in 2007, but it didn't get off the ground. Cry babies in office!

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

Democrats Tried to Impeach Every Elected GOP President Since Eisenhower

No matter how well an elected Republican president performs in office, ever since the Dwight D. Eisenhower administration, Democrats have demanded that the election results be reversed.

www.newsmax.com

"Since Jan. 20, 1961, when Eisenhower left office, Democrats have introduced impeachment articles against every single elected Republican president."

Probably already mentioned, but practically all the explanation you need as to the justification for this bullshit from day one.