Some of you will rejoice in this story but all of you need to hear it...

LuckyDuck

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    I'm sure all of us (to some extent) remember being in kindergarten or (at least) early grade school and being asked what we "wanted to be" when we grew up with the context of the question being based on which profession we'd want to choose.

    I remember weird things and that is amongst them but among the answers I remember a lot of responses being along the lines of police officer (we must have had a class visit), president of the United States, or firefighter (I wanted to be a firefighter at that age). Again the things you remember.

    That being said- I need to start with a bit of "housekeeping". This is not intended to be anti-XXX but rather just one person's story on getting caught in the proverbial "web" of present government actions in place. I'll leave it to you, the reader, to come to your own conclusions rather than to suggest how you "should" think.

    So here's the long story short- a number of years ago I was pulled over for 'seemingly' swerving after leaving a bar. Here's where opinions/stories collide but I'll tell you I (as someone who had lived through a number of years in the military where the BAC limit was actually .05 rather than .08 everywhere else (I seem to remember it used to be .10 not that long ago) have always maintained a certain element of 'concern' with how I conducted myself with bar behavior & driving. Yes- I know that statement is likely construed as seeing myself in the best light but- hopefully some other Vets will chime in here- that was kind of "a thing" and nobody wanted to be 'that guy' because that was... well frankly the low hanging fruit for officers to make their mark as being "hard" on drinking and driving. My opinions aside- I'd also have to admit that the (in my mind's eye) "over reaction" toward the 'DUI' problem was somewhat effective/at least it had a preponderance to leave a lasting impression on people (remember when they used to place bloodied cars/motorcycles in front of the gate entryways)?

    -LD
     
    <Breaking it it up, the 'long & short' version, that is>

    Anywho- take my previous statement for what you will, I drank 2 beers (and yes I heard "they always say they only had 2 beers"). There were some other details/factors involved that night which are a bit too specific and I'd rather not get into them but suffice to say I was essentially playing the role of DD.

    Anywho- as the previous post would suggest I was pulled over and (again long story short) charged with a DUI (kinda(?)) and it was a completely surreal experience. And I'll tell ya why...
     
    Clear as mud.

    What is your BAC at time of this posting, Sir?
    I hold a high opinion of you and this actually "adds" to my story here- give me a bit of time and hopefully I'll address your question. (I hope you read that as a respectful comment and not as a rude/curt response since I know it's often difficult to ascertain tone in this format).

    -LD
     
    Admittedly there's a small component of details I'm withholding due to privacy concerns but suffice to say I had 'reasons' to be behaving that night.

    Where I went "wrong" was interacting with the police that night as if they were the same as my battle buddies who served and then went into law enforcement roles. (judge me on that statement if you will but I firmly hold the belief that they're cut from "different" cloths and to this day I still refuse to buy into the 'ACAB' mantra because I frankly know too many great ones despite this experience).

    -LD
     
    Wrapping things up-

    I came home perplexed on what occurred and it took about... I want to say a week or two until I found out I was charged with a crime by letters from local lawyers. I must have gotten at least 50 of these letters (I shit you not) before I got a letter from the state that I was charged with a DUI (again- I shit you not).

    -LD
     
    I have no shame in admitting that for a time I felt like I was absolutely hit with a proverbial 'bus'. I started reassessing my life and wondering (at a deep philosophical level) if "it was me" and if I needed to change but- again avoiding certain details, the long and short of it is I was frankly too "cheap" to ever even purchase that many beers (must have been somewhere around $16 a can) and- as I mentioned, I had other concerns going on at the moment to keep me making good decisions.

    -LD
     
    Trying to wrap this up here-

    I was accused of swerving on the road, almost hitting an object, slurring my words, acting confused, failing to understand instructions or 'perform' how the "king's men" demanded.

    I have to say- I know the "king's men" is a cheap shot and one I likely shouldn't have taken but... I'm only human and hope you don't hold it against me (but at least I'll acknowledge it).

    -LD
     
    My dad was murdered by a drunk driver. Over a thirty year period the drunk had killed at least two other people. If he got drunk and shot people it would have been murder, no questions asked. But his weapon of choice was a car or truck.

    You can drink and drive if you like, but if your shitty choices kill or injure people, fuck you. Die in prison.

    My dad's killer died in prison and I made sure he didn't get released when he stroked out at 54 years old. His family tried to get him compassionate release. Fuck him.
     
    So there's something like 6 steps in this process- 3 of which the 'audience' is all but 'threatened' that there is no hope (a concept I take rather personally) and in each step- every single one took the 'diversion' option (except me).

    So that leads me to when I was in court- trust me, the proverbial 'deck' is stacked against me. I remember reading something like only 3% of DUI charges ever make it to trial (likely due to what I shared here earlier) and even then the odds aren't good for the defendant.

    Whelp I know I did nothing wrong and at that point had nothing left to loose- and here's how things played out (thank god for body cams & dash cams).

    You can believe me (or not) but Every. Single. Accusation. was disputed by the footage. Every. Single. One.

    I never "swerved", I never "slurred", and I never "failed" whatever balance games they asked me to do. The camera footage obliterated the officers testimony as being absolute lies not even remotely tied to reality (almost like it was a 'script' they worked off of but I'll save that comment for another time). 100% proven to be Grade-A bullshit and... here's what "justice" looks like.

    I likely spent about just shy of $8k in legal fees to defend myself, to ultimately land in a trial, which proved the state's case was built upon a hill of bullshit and fairytales, that the entire police report was a fabrication (again that seems to follow an 'approved script').

    And what 'winning' looked like was spending all of that money to prove their own cameras demonstrated this was a racket and they were fabricating their entire story.

    Again- appreciate you all letting me vent on the topic because it still makes my blood boil.

    I really (and I mean truly) do respect folks that enter LEO positions. God knows I know quite a lot of them that did and they are truly the "salt of the earth" types and (at least the ones I knew that served in the military previously) were (and hopefully still are) absolutely the kind of people we want to be in the LEO positions.

    But...and I admittedly don't know if I can presently place a finger on "when" , something really 'changed' in the LEO community. Not because the entrants weren't veterans but... (if you'll allow me) because we (collectively) turned our backs on LEO's and the "good" ones saw the writing on the wall and said "fuck it" and we then lowered the standards to get the "not so good" applicants (but hey that's all we had & what could go wrong.

    Well- to conclude, and finally get off my soap box, I don't have the solution (at least not as a 'golden' bullet) but something has just "got" to give. I've been screwed harder than most here by LEO's & the legal system but, and that's a big but, it's still the best we've got (and at least in my story, justice prevailed but it never should have gotten to that point in my opinion).

    -LD
     
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    My dad was murdered by a drunk driver. Over a thirty year period the drunk had killed at least two other people. If he got drunk and shot people it would have been murder, no questions asked. But his weapon of choice was a car or truck.

    You can drink and drive if you like, but if your shitty choices kill or injure people, fuck you. Die in prison.

    My dad's killer died in prison and I made sure he didn't get released when he stroked out at 54 years old. His family tried to get him compassionate release. Fuck him.
    I know this is the internet and talk is 'cheap'. That said- for what it's worth at least, my sincere condolences to your family over the loss of your father. I really do mean that sincerely.

    You're likely the worst person (due to experiences, not personally) to say this too- but the point I was trying to make is not to defend drunk drivers at all- rather to pull the curtain back (just a bit) to show how this has turned into a proverbial cash cow for the state, the accused be damned (I "got off" because the footage proved everything was a lie, no "technicality" or "obsucre" caveat).

    The Police flat out lied, they made up a story (to align with all of the other charges they did) because it was the "right" script. While I won't condone drunk driving I also have to raise a flag on this being beyond an appropriate response. The pendulum has swung too far in my opinion and (again I have to admit this is personal to me because of the personal expense & turmoil it caused) that we're now essentially 'eating our own'. I'd just say that's not justice either- nor is proving entire government records as being fabricated a (minor) issue nor the response of "well that's just how they write them up".

    I know I went on a bit of a tangent there but- I really do hope you believe my words to be sincere when I say I'm genuinely sympathetic and empathetic to the loss you experienced and why you feel the way you do.

    -LD
     
    If more cops were like this guy…
    "If more cops were like this guy" (spoiler alert: there are- and they're exactly the type of people that'd run into a burning building to save a child and not put up with this anti constitutional nonsense either.) They're the reason why I still hold hope that the "ACAB" movement is something on the fringe.

    But "I" need some help in this support too. We, as a cohesive community, need to seriously look into this prevailing concept of "qualified immunity", we also need to separate police departments from local governments and being a "money maker".

    I know that my story might 'piss' some folks off (and damn it should) for various reasons, but that's why I shared it.

    You cannot have a government financially invested in alcohol through taxes and also "being tough" on the very same product by DUI enforcement. That's a paradox in itself.

    But for me & my story- there was NO "technicalities", or "nuances" , I was just a 'guy' doing his thing and caught up in this web. It cost me just shy of $10K to have a lawyer look at the actual footage and find out that everything they accused me of was false (again like it came from a script). And I don't mean some accusations- I mean EVERY. SINGLE ACCUSATION. was a lie. And we, for some response allow this as a society.

    Surely we don't collectively find this to be "right" here in the SH community?
     
    It's wild to me ( and in some regards proves 'my point') that there are some members here that overlook the concept of 'due process', and throw that to the side, don't even argue the point that there's governmental corruption but rather embrace it and say "good, we need more of that because it makes 'me' feel better"

    Meanwhile- rights continue to be stripped away a little at a time, and others here 'cheer' because... why not, doesn't impact them any am I right?

    -LD
     
    I'll say it-

    If you believe that police should be able to lie "in performance of their duties", and the prosecution should also be able to financially gain from this approach....

    Well then- I don't know how else to say it but you're a cuck.

    We came from our forefathers who demanded to be represented to the in England as one of their colonies. We fought a frickin' war over.. tea?

    But we're now at the point where we graciously give up our rights for... it's not even national security but.... present convenance?

    I weep for this nation & it's people anymore.
     
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    Are you a woman? Serious question. I’m not even trying to be a dick but this is like reading a woman telling a story that won’t just get to the point and not jump around
     
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    Wanna know why cops are so tough on drunk drivers or bad drivers in general? Because they are the first people to see the outcome of a deadly car crash resulting from drunk or bad driving. Cops are human too and they don't wanna see an entire family reduced to burnt hamburger meat because some cocksucker decided to have a few too many at the bar or they decided to watch a TikTok vid instead of watching the road.

    As for cops being able to lie, the SCOTUS has already ruled that cops are allowed to lie and use deceptions during interrogations to obtain a confession. SCOTUS also ruled that cops don't have a legal duty to protect and serve.
     
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    God damn, if this is the short version, I'd hate to see the long one.

    I don't like drunk drivers. I was almost killed by one back in 1998. Took me over a year to recover from my injuries and get back to work. The little bastard that hit me got fucking work release during his 60 day sentence so he wouldn't lose HIS job.

    Oh yeah, he was only 20 years old, too. Not legal to drink yet.

    So if you're looking for sympathy, you can look it up in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.