Finally got my SR-25 APR out this weekend and put some rounds through it. I've never owned a "precision" gas gun so I didn't know what to expect. Some pro's: Soft shooter, really well gassed, great ergos, well balanced, great flash hider/muzzle devise, trigger is solid. Con's: was hoping it would shoot a little tighter, KAC QC kinda stinks(will elaborate). I think the gun does a lot of good things and makes it an overall pretty solid package. I think the shining quality of the rifle is the gas system. The way KAC seals the gas system is perfect. There is 0 blow by on the gas block and the gas coming out of the bolt ports is minimal to none. I shot it indoors when I first got it and blasted a few rounds pretty quick and there wasn't any extra gas lingering around. In my experience with AR style rifles this isn't the case indoors. The gun shoots around .8 moa with 175gr FGMM and around 1ish moa with M118LR. This is pretty good don't get me wrong but if I'm being picky I wish I shot it a little better. I'm guessing with a little more practice I should be able to shoot a little tighter but my factory test target was still .75 moa. As far as the KAC QC. When I got the gun I noticed it had a dent in the rail and a few imperfections/dings in the lower receiver. I contacted KAC and they pretty much said it happens and it won't be pretty forever so shoot it. I'm not tripping too hard as the rail covers cover the ding and it will get plenty dirty in the field. It's just when you spend $4.5k on a rifle you want it to be pretty and perfect when you take it out of the box. Overall the gun is a good shooter and solid package. Groups are below, shot at 100yds, velocity was taken with a magneto.
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You're not the first to mention the imperfections, I've seen that same complaint on multiple Forums. As for the accuracy .75 MOA is about the norm in capable hands. If you want better accuracy start handloading, if not FGMM and Black Hills are your friends.
Yeah I read that too. Really want to try some Black Hills, hear that stuff really good. Like I said I'm being picky with the group size, it should smack steel out to distance no problem and that's really what I want to do with it.
Holy fucking paragraph batman. Must be some kind of fucking accountant or something.
Nice.
Something to remember with the SR25, is that while it does command a premium, its important to remember what it is. Its a military, gas gun/sniper rifle. It was designed to put rounds on man size targets to a certain distance with high levels of reliability, and it does so coming in lighter than most off its peers. Thats pretty cool.
There may be other more accurate large frame gas guns on the market but one has to ask they question is are they as reliable or as durable as the SR25. I dropped a Krieger barrel on a Armalite that I had years ago and it shot incredible, and I never had any issues with. The only issue was that it was pretty heavy and not as practical as something like an APC. its all a balance of trade offs.
Something to remember with the SR25, is that while it does command a premium, its important to remember what it is. Its a military, gas gun/sniper rifle. It was designed to put rounds on man size targets to a certain distance with high levels of reliability, and it does so coming in lighter than most off its peers. Thats pretty cool.
There may be other more accurate large frame gas guns on the market but one has to ask they question is are they as reliable or as durable as the SR25. I dropped a Krieger barrel on a Armalite that I had years ago and it shot incredible, and I never had any issues with. The only issue was that it was pretty heavy and not as practical as something like an APC. its all a balance of trade offs.
Waiting for them to offer a full rifle in 6.5 Creed with a 20" option..... would be the shizzel.
During the Afgan War I ordered a Lightweight Match (20”) directly from KAC.
SEAL package was $7K .
Did not order the package but just the rifle.
Waited about 6 months as they were sending them to the SEALS.
Mine has a 5R barrel and no flash hider, Vero Beach address.
Absolutely perfect when it arrived with the accessories and mags I ordered.
From where did you purchase your SR25?
Best group with Rem Match and not best group shown from first range session.
100 yds
-Richard
SEAL package was $7K .
Did not order the package but just the rifle.
Waited about 6 months as they were sending them to the SEALS.
Mine has a 5R barrel and no flash hider, Vero Beach address.
Absolutely perfect when it arrived with the accessories and mags I ordered.
From where did you purchase your SR25?
Best group with Rem Match and not best group shown from first range session.
100 yds
-Richard
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Sounding gayer than a bag of aids. Just Shoot it, #dontbeabitch
I got it from Chuck at Kelly Enterprises.
Congratulations on your purchase, it will serve you well. If you ever decide to sell, it will hold its value and give you back most of not all of what you paid for it... Don’t get hung up on group size, while it’s important its not the end all/be all of what goes into evaluating one of these. You not going to shoot the rifle at 100 yards all the time anyway; 100 yards is to confirm zero and/or load testing.
There are platforms out there with greater precision if that’s your main definition for success....With KAC, you are really paying for reliability in adverse conditions, reasonable accuracy, parts that work exceptionally well together and yes, brand value. LMT can get you a lot of these same things for 2/3 the price but they’re not a KAC.
I have a Mk11 mod 0 and ACC. The Mod 0 is .75-1 MOA and the ACC is 1.5ish. Both have no problem hitting 2/3 ipsc steel out to 800 (mod 0 is good to 950-1000k depending on conditions) when I do my part. I also love the mod 2 gas system on their latest generation of rifles.
Imagine if Chevrolet said “some douche nozzle is going to put a ding in your door in a parking lot. Might as well be us...”
The good news that we are in control of our own dollars (at least until Team Socialism gets in. lol) . That being said I don't believe it's an apples to apples comparison between Knights or any other tier one weapons builder like JP, LaRue, GA Precision, ect...
C Reed Knight runs his business like a government contract weapons development and manufacturing company - because that's what he's in the business for. In my opinion that puts him in a different category of what to expect regarding his fit and finish. His prices are high because just like all the other military manufacturers.They can do that based upon their past and present government contracts. It is the way of the world. And it's also no secret to anyone.
Comparing them to a boutique weapons builder with very low volume in comparison is not taking to account The reality of the situation. If I want a battle weapon I go to Knights. If I want a Ferrari I go to all the ones that we know build presentation grade works of art.
I'm glad the OP has his new baby - It will serve him well and shoot through some pretty nasty conditions and deliver its design accuracy. Enjoy.
https://govtribe.com/vendors/knight-s-armament-company-1s002
C Reed Knight runs his business like a government contract weapons development and manufacturing company - because that's what he's in the business for. In my opinion that puts him in a different category of what to expect regarding his fit and finish. His prices are high because just like all the other military manufacturers.They can do that based upon their past and present government contracts. It is the way of the world. And it's also no secret to anyone.
Comparing them to a boutique weapons builder with very low volume in comparison is not taking to account The reality of the situation. If I want a battle weapon I go to Knights. If I want a Ferrari I go to all the ones that we know build presentation grade works of art.
I'm glad the OP has his new baby - It will serve him well and shoot through some pretty nasty conditions and deliver its design accuracy. Enjoy.
https://govtribe.com/vendors/knight-s-armament-company-1s002
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I forgot about GAP, come to think about it if I was looking at a precision based gas gun in the 3k to 4k price range, I would absolutely have them do an an 19 inch 6.5cm chambered for 140 ELD-M's.
With that being said, I think KAC is going to find themselves embracing more and more of the civilian market, as much as I think they put out one of best large frame gas guns. The DoD is eventually going to move away from the M110 and bills are still going to need to be paid. Be it the HK CSASS, or the NGSAR.
I think we are already seeing that as KAC has finally started selling SR25 lowers. They have also talked about starting up a barrel division
If one would of said 10 years ago that KAC would be selling sr25 lowers, I think most of us would of laughed.
It will be interesting to see where KAC is ten years down the road.
The reason some OK government contract guns are pricier than REALLY nice custom hand-fitted weapons is the bidder's requirement to meet the buyer's demands. There's a very large difference in what the government can or will pay for a commercial off-the-shelf item and something that it buys to government contract specifications.
If Uncle Sam says your facility has to have a double fence topped with barbed wire, with both vehicle and pedestrian access control gates and video surveillance, with employee background checks and drug testing, the individual buyer pays for that. Those costs are added to the price.
Items that must be inspected and tested to meet performance specs increase cost. Finishes and packing to meet mil-specs add cost.
If the government requires government inspectors on-site you must provide workspace for them to do their jobs.
Failure to comply or meet specs can potentially mean scrapped lots.
Military and federal rules, regulations, and laws that specify the vendor can't charge the public less than the government pays for the identical item ensures you don't get a break on new, original production items that might look identical to articles that passed inspection and testing.
Just because you pay more for a like or similar item doesn't necessarily mean you're getting a better item, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee you're getting the same item as Uncle Sam.
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Same here (tracking group size trends with my own ACC also).
Jack L/KAC has mentioned a few times here and there that group sizes for these newer rifles tend to shrink by 1/8-1/4 MOA at 500-600 rounds. This pattern was something he stated KAC has observed across large populations of rifles over time.
No offense taken. There is definitely a learning curve to shooting the SR-25 compared to my bolt guns. Just figured I'd post my initial findings for conversation sake and give some people some data who are looking to get one of these rifles. Got more ammo coming to try out so we'll see how she likes it.
Just for trivia - reference's sake, if the government specifies the rifle must produce ten consecutive minute-of-angle groups with government-furnished M118 LR ammo, the government's side of the bargain is the M118 LR must be capable of producing sub-minute groups.
Declining M118 LR precision consistency is why USSOCOM specified Mark 316 7.62 (Federal Gold Medal Match 175s in military packaging).
Declining M118 LR precision consistency is why USSOCOM specified Mark 316 7.62 (Federal Gold Medal Match 175s in military packaging).
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