State of Self-defense in America

[UKDslayer]

This is a Tucker Carlson segment everyone needs to watch. These type of stories make my blood boil. There is a distinct course, highlighted by a clearly two-tiered justice system where - right is wrong, wrong is right. "Self-defense" is allowed if you are the criminal. The AZ ranch owner being charged for killing an invader of is property, not being able to talk with his shut-in wife, and GoFundMe shutting down is bail efforts are just heart-breaking and cruel.

 

[wvfarrier]

Gosendgo is a "non biased" option

 

[W54/XM-388]

S
S
S

That's the state of self defense in America these days.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

kill em all.

 

[BullGear]

I watched that last night. It does make one's blood boil when self defense is taken away from honest, law abiding people.

 

[Maggot]

While I cant disagree with Tucker's general premise, I do take issue with the first two examples.

1-The firefighter-He should never have followed the guy nor put him in a headlock. Should have stayed in the store and been on high alert.

2- The clerk in the Shell- Never should have followed the guy to his car and basically executed him. Should have styed put and been on alert.

The immediate threat had passed in both cases and the shooter provoked and escalated it.

3- The rancher_ We dont know much about what came before the shooting. If the guy was just crossing the land and not causing damage or threats, the rancher should have called 911 or Border Patrol. You just cant execute people.

Popcorn popped.

 

[308pirate]

S
S
S

That's the state of self defense in America these days.

This

I've been reading up one some of the methods and tactics used in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. Very informative.

 

[Maggot]

This

I've been reading up one some of the methods and tactics used in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. Very informative.

Look who's back. Be a nice boy and they'll let you stay.

 

[308pirate]

Be a nice boy

Easier said than done

 

[tomcatmv]

Why didn't the Arizona rancher just S, S and S?

 

[308pirate]

Why didn't the Arizona rancher just S, S and S?

Because he's a fool that believes the rule of law still exists

 

[W54/XM-388]

This

I've been reading up one some of the methods and tactics used in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. Very informative.

Things change when the guns are more valuable to the cause than the fighters and it's pretty much a death penalty offense to get caught with a gun (assuming you make it to court alive).

 

[308pirate]

Things change when the guns are more valuable to the cause than the fighters and it's pretty much a death penalty offense to get caught with a gun (assuming you make it to court alive).

I'm not going to go into details here but you got it completely backwards

 

[W54/XM-388]

I'm not going to go into details here but you got it completely backwards

Interesting, I suppose what I used to read regarding the start of the troubles way back when must not have been totally correct.

 

[308pirate]

Interesting, I suppose what I used to read regarding the start of the troubles way back when must not have been totally correct.

Firearms were disposable if that's what it took to stay free. People in British custody were a security risk.

 

[BurtG]

S
S
S

That's the state of self defense in America these days.

But cell phones

Better have a good plan for the deceased’s phone

 

[Short-bus]

Why didn't the Arizona rancher just S, S and S?

I'm dumb....what do you mean S, S and S? Bonus points for baby talk, and use of crayons.

Branden

 

[Maggot]

I'm dumb....what do you mean S, S and S? Bonus points for baby talk, and use of crayons.

Branden

Shoot, shovel, shutup.

Went to school with Buzz, several years behind.

 

[supercorndogs]

While I cant disagree with Tucker's general premise, I do take issue with the first two examples.

1-The firefighter-He should never have followed the guy nor put him in a headlock. Should have stayed in the store and been on high alert.

2- The clerk in the Shell- Never should have followed the guy to his car and basically executed him. Should have styed put and been on alert.

The immediate threat had passed in both cases and the shooter provoked and escalated it.

3- The rancher_ We dont know much about what came before the shooting. If the guy was just crossing the land and not causing damage or threats, the rancher should have called 911 or Border Patrol. You just cant execute people.

Popcorn popped.

So people shouldn't try to capture criminals themselves, and should not be able to claim self defense if they happen to kill some dirt bag during the course of detaining them while waiting for Police.

This entire "The threat has passed" mentality is about taking away your right to self defense. Someone who will stick a gun in your face to steal your shit is always threat to everyone. At any point when a person is running the opposite direction they could decide to turn and fire. They could be running for better cover to re-engage. They could be going to get a weapon, or a better weapon.

Basically, who are they to decide the threat was over? They are assuming he was done.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

SSS is more difficult these days...

When the shitbag disappears and his cell signal (even dirtbags carry smartphones) is on your property... where do they start looking? And when your cell signal is right nearby? Who do you think they start prosecuting?

People need to start thinking in terms of "every moment of your life and movement" is trackable. Your car is broadcasting your location every moment if it was made after 2014. Whether you have GPS map option or not. Your Cell Phone is triangulatable down to yards. Every WiFi you walk past... knows you were there. Cameras are everywhere... maybe not in the middle of a field... but on the road getting to the field or woods. And in cities, assume that every square inch is under some kind of surveillance all the time.

Modern problems require modern solutions... Faraday bags for phones when not actually being used. Burner phones with cards bought from Bodegas... Older "beater" cars that do not GPS track... A few 'spare' license plates that come from cars that look similar to yours... (beware of these in a municipality with plate readers on cruisers.) Keep your EZ Pass in a faraday bag unless on a toll road... and remember that now those "Toll Stations" are overhead cameras taking your picture and getting your license plate while collecting your toll. Or getting your plate to send you a toll bill or a ticket. Avoid Toll Roads.

Most major parking lots have cameras in them. In car dash cams are everywhere and sending stuff to the cloud. Every street has Ring Cameras and many are recording all the time. I can tell you that even here in Mayberry, if we want to, we can follow a car 'almost' anywhere with enough effort. From an office. Or at least could 5 years ago. I am sure it's better now.

So if one is going to contemplate defending one's self, the Shovel and STFU part is not going to be an entire answer.

I'm surprised we have never started a thread here on "Avoiding Surveillance" and the related tradecraft. Then again, such a thread can be used for evil, too. So not necessarily advocating it. And following 'those' guidelines will show up like a red flag. Phones that "appear and disappear" as they go into Faraday bags are a pattern that gets noticed fast.

These days, assume everything you do, everywhere you go... everywhere your car goes... is recorded somewhere.

If folks have not seen the movie "Enemy of the State" with Gene Hackman from the 1990's, that was tech from 30 years ago. And it was a bit 'ahead of its time.' A bit. What is out there now is far more pervasive and powerful. Movie is worth watching. Twice.

Anyhoo... best advice is know the rules, know what constitutes self defense in your area. Know how to act after a shoot. And practice avoiding getting into a potential bad situation. The best shoot is the one avoided.

And learn all about surveillance, counter-surveillance and surveillance avoidance. If our intelligence, LE and National Technical Means keeps getting weaponized against people at the current rate, these will become basic survival skills in a dictatorial communist police state.

Sirhr

 

[308pirate]

SSS is more difficult these days...

When the shitbag disappears and his cell signal (even dirtbags carry smartphones) is on your property... where do they start looking? And when your cell signal is right nearby? Who do you think they start prosecuting?

People need to start thinking in terms of "every moment of your life and movement" is trackable. Your car is broadcasting your location every moment if it was made after 2014. Whether you have GPS map option or not. Your Cell Phone is triangulatable down to yards. Every WiFi you walk past... knows you were there. Cameras are everywhere... maybe not in the middle of a field... but on the road getting to the field or woods. And in cities, assume that every square inch is under some kind of surveillance all the time.

Modern problems require modern solutions... Faraday bags for phones when not actually being used. Burner phones with cards bought from Bodegas... Older "beater" cars that do not GPS track... A few 'spare' license plates that come from cars that look similar to yours... (beware of these in a municipality with plate readers on cruisers.) Keep your EZ Pass in a faraday bag unless on a toll road... and remember that now those "Toll Stations" are overhead cameras taking your picture and getting your license plate while collecting your toll. Or getting your plate to send you a toll bill or a ticket. Avoid Toll Roads.

Most major parking lots have cameras in them. In car dash cams are everywhere and sending stuff to the cloud. Every street has Ring Cameras and many are recording all the time. I can tell you that even here in Mayberry, if we want to, we can follow a car 'almost' anywhere with enough effort. From an office. Or at least could 5 years ago. I am sure it's better now.

So if one is going to contemplate defending one's self, the Shovel and STFU part is not going to be an entire answer.

I'm surprised we have never started a thread here on "Avoiding Surveillance" and the related tradecraft. Then again, such a thread can be used for evil, too. So not necessarily advocating it. And following 'those' guidelines will show up like a red flag. Phones that "appear and disappear" as they go into Faraday bags are a pattern that gets noticed fast.

These days, assume everything you do, everywhere you go... everywhere your car goes... is recorded somewhere.

If folks have not seen the movie "Enemy of the State" with Gene Hackman from the 1990's, that was tech from 30 years ago. And it was a bit 'ahead of its time.' A bit. What is out there now is far more pervasive and powerful. Movie is worth watching. Twice.

Anyhoo... best advice is know the rules, know what constitutes self defense in your area. Know how to act after a shoot. And practice avoiding getting into a potential bad situation. The best shoot is the one avoided.

And learn all about surveillance, counter-surveillance and surveillance avoidance. If our intelligence, LE and National Technical Means keeps getting weaponized against people at the current rate, these will become basic survival skills in a dictatorial communist police state.

Sirhr

Tradecraft is keeping up, I assure you

The bolded is not so cut and dried as you make it out to be,

 

[MJF]

And the dirt bags cell phone hops on a bus to Miami.

 

[Maggot]

So people shouldn't try to capture criminals themselves, and should not be able to claim self defense if they happen to kill some dirt bag during the course of detaining them while waiting for Police.

This entire "The threat has passed" mentality is about taking away your right to self defense. Someone who will stick a gun in your face to steal your shit is always threat to everyone. At any point when a person is running the opposite direction they could decide to turn and fire. They could be running for better cover to re-engage. They could be going to get a weapon, or a better weapon.

Basically, who are they to decide the threat was over? They are assuming he was done.

If you bothered to read the article, IN THESE CASES, the perps were just being assholes, not armed. In both cases they left and the shooter ASSUMED they were going for a gun. The only way it could be justified would be if they actually pulled out a weapon and made moves to harm you. If you follow someone and execute them thats called murder.

 

[Maggot]

SSS is more difficult these days...

When the shitbag disappears and his cell signal (even dirtbags carry smartphones) is on your property... where do they start looking? And when your cell signal is right nearby? Who do you think they start prosecuting?

People need to start thinking in terms of "every moment of your life and movement" is trackable. Your car is broadcasting your location every moment if it was made after 2014. Whether you have GPS map option or not. Your Cell Phone is triangulatable down to yards. Every WiFi you walk past... knows you were there. Cameras are everywhere... maybe not in the middle of a field... but on the road getting to the field or woods. And in cities, assume that every square inch is under some kind of surveillance all the time.

Modern problems require modern solutions... Faraday bags for phones when not actually being used. Burner phones with cards bought from Bodegas... Older "beater" cars that do not GPS track... A few 'spare' license plates that come from cars that look similar to yours... (beware of these in a municipality with plate readers on cruisers.) Keep your EZ Pass in a faraday bag unless on a toll road... and remember that now those "Toll Stations" are overhead cameras taking your picture and getting your license plate while collecting your toll. Or getting your plate to send you a toll bill or a ticket. Avoid Toll Roads.

Most major parking lots have cameras in them. In car dash cams are everywhere and sending stuff to the cloud. Every street has Ring Cameras and many are recording all the time. I can tell you that even here in Mayberry, if we want to, we can follow a car 'almost' anywhere with enough effort. From an office. Or at least could 5 years ago. I am sure it's better now.

So if one is going to contemplate defending one's self, the Shovel and STFU part is not going to be an entire answer.

I'm surprised we have never started a thread here on "Avoiding Surveillance" and the related tradecraft. Then again, such a thread can be used for evil, too. So not necessarily advocating it. And following 'those' guidelines will show up like a red flag. Phones that "appear and disappear" as they go into Faraday bags are a pattern that gets noticed fast.

These days, assume everything you do, everywhere you go... everywhere your car goes... is recorded somewhere.

If folks have not seen the movie "Enemy of the State" with Gene Hackman from the 1990's, that was tech from 30 years ago. And it was a bit 'ahead of its time.' A bit. What is out there now is far more pervasive and powerful. Movie is worth watching. Twice.

Anyhoo... best advice is know the rules, know what constitutes self defense in your area. Know how to act after a shoot. And practice avoiding getting into a potential bad situation. The best shoot is the one avoided.

And learn all about surveillance, counter-surveillance and surveillance avoidance. If our intelligence, LE and National Technical Means keeps getting weaponized against people at the current rate, these will become basic survival skills in a dictatorial communist police state.

Sirhr

This should be a sticky.

 

[Doc68]

Things change when the guns are more valuable to the cause than the fighters and it's pretty much a death penalty offense to get caught with a gun (assuming you make it to court alive).

Well I never planned on making it to court alive this day and age.......but at least I'd be dead knowing I did the right thing.

Doc

 

[supercorndogs]

If you bothered to read the article, IN THESE CASES, the perps were just being assholes, not armed. In both cases they left and the shooter ASSUMED they were going for a gun. The only way it could be justified would be if they actually pulled out a weapon and made moves to harm you. If you follow someone and execute them thats called murder.

Saying the same thing again didn't make it less backwards. Just re-read what I wrote the first time for a response. You want to err in caution on side of the criminal. Its pretty fucking stupid really. Yes, a victim should be able to assume the worst. No, the criminal should not get the befit of the doubt when they get killed in the process of committing a crime.

 

[Maggot]

Saying the same thing again didn't make it less backwards. Just re-read what I wrote the first time for a response. You want to err in caution on side of the criminal. Its pretty fucking stupid really. Yes, a victim should be able to assume the worst. No, the criminal should not get the befit of the doubt when they get killed in the process of committing a crime.

Actually, youre just being your regular self, an overly self important, un necessarily argumentative, non reading comprehensive, jerk. I'm saying to err on the side of yourself, because if you get convicted of executing someone youre going to prison, or worth. And you should. Grow up.

 

[supercorndogs]

Actually, youre just being your regular self, an overly self important, un necessarily argumentative, non reading comprehensive, jerk. I'm saying to err on the side of yourself, because if you get convicted of executing someone youre going to prison, or worth. And you should. Grow up.

Arguing on the behalf of the criminal then getting but hurt and slinging shit. Fuck you too retard.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Me if I lived on the border.

 

[UKDslayer]

GoFundMe Removes Fundraisers for Rancher, 73, Held on $1 Million Bond for Allegedly Killing Illegal Alien

The fundraising website GoFundMe has seemingly picked a side in the ongoing legal case involving a rancher who allegedly killed a trespasser.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

The judge that imposed this order didn't even go to law school - a Soros elected "official". Poor guy doesn't have a decent public defender.

 

[10ring'r]

I read a lot of those KISS books. They are very informative. Mac

 

[SanPatHogger]

I'm dumb....what do you mean S, S and S? Bonus points for baby talk, and use of crayons.

Branden

Shit, shower and shave.

 

[UKDslayer]

Arizona Rancher Held on $1 Million Bond Fired Warning Shots After an Armed Group of Men "Pointed an AK-47 Right at Him" | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

George Alan Kelly Kino Springs, AZ – A 73-year-old Arizona rancher was arrested and charged with first-degree murder for fatally shooting a Mexican migrant (likely an illegal alien) on his ranch.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[acudaowner]

I know nothing m never ever say nothing , never saw nothing , nope I heard nothing . and why anyone would use go fund me for anything after the trucker fiasco stupid is as stupid does it's a leftist company . sort of like socialist schools you can't think they will not indoctrinate your kids cause they will .

 

[RUTGERS95]

the problem is the people enforcing this bs, this unconstitutional bs, have no fear for their lives, their families, nothing. 100yrs ago this wouldn't even be possible as the public would be enraged over lack of constitutionality in the laws

 

[RUTGERS95]

illegal aliens shouldn't be here, rancher is entitled to protect himself!

 

[UKDslayer]

Sad thing is, he reported it to authorities. If he Sx3'd no one would be the wiser.

 

[JoshPutman]

 

[Namekagon]

Arizona rancher accused of murder in shooting death of Mexican man faces new charges day before court hearing

An Arizona rancher who is charged with the murder of a Mexican national found shot to death on his border property and remains held on $1 million bond, faces two more counts Tuesday.

www.foxnews.com

This story just got way more preposterous. Seriously, they took this old man into custody after a body was found on his property, and he admitted to shooting warning shots over the heads of ARMED DRUG TRAFFICKERS!! After he went outside to investigate hearing a single gunshot. So the drug traffickers wack one of their own, then the rancher confronts them on his porch and shoots over their heads. Later he finds a body and leads law enforcement to it, and they arrest him. What the hell????????

 

[wade2big]

Arizona rancher accused of murder in shooting death of Mexican man faces new charges day before court hearing

An Arizona rancher who is charged with the murder of a Mexican national found shot to death on his border property and remains held on $1 million bond, faces two more counts Tuesday.

www.foxnews.com

This story just got way more preposterous. Seriously, they took this old man into custody after a body was found on his property, and he admitted to shooting warning shots over the heads of ARMED DRUG TRAFFICKERS!! After he went outside to investigate hearing a single gunshot. So the drug traffickers wack one of their own, then the rancher confronts them on his porch and shoots over their heads. Later he finds a body and leads law enforcement to it, and they arrest him. What the hell????????

The federal government is constitutionally obligated to protect the states from invasion (article Iv sec. 4). The federal gov’t is breaking the law to force an agenda. Of course the federal gov’t itself is unconstitutional considering the fraudulent elections. There is no justice. Only tyranny.

Who would have thought that an illegal government would commit crimes such as this as well as holding political prisoners, and mass murdering the citizens it rapes and steals from using at first medical malpractice and now lethal vaxx injections? Ask yourself why the state govt’s pretend this isn’t happening? Why so many continue to believe their local, state, and federal gov’t which includes those employed in its behalf, isn’t the biggest threat to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is beyond me.

 

[308pirate]

Arizona rancher accused of murder in shooting death of Mexican man faces new charges day before court hearing

An Arizona rancher who is charged with the murder of a Mexican national found shot to death on his border property and remains held on $1 million bond, faces two more counts Tuesday.

www.foxnews.com

This story just got way more preposterous. Seriously, they took this old man into custody after a body was found on his property, and he admitted to shooting warning shots over the heads of ARMED DRUG TRAFFICKERS!! After he went outside to investigate hearing a single gunshot. So the drug traffickers wack one of their own, then the rancher confronts them on his porch and shoots over their heads. Later he finds a body and leads law enforcement to it, and they arrest him. What the hell????????

he should have SSS

I'm sure he has a backhoe in the barn