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Rifle Scopes STOLEN S&B 1-8x ALERT!

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    #1
    It has come to my attention through our rep at Schmidt and Bender that someone of low morals has stolen one of their new 1-8x Short Dots from their booth at SHOT Show on Friday. They actually stole it with the display stock and all on it.

    The scope is marked "PROTOTYPE" on the eye piece behind the 1-8x24 marking. I have been told that our rep is offering a reward of $500 off a S&B scope if anyone has any info that leads to the return of the scope. Please keep an eye out for the scope when shooting or on any for sale forums around the net. You can contact me if you see it.

    Thanks for the help.
     
    #6
    Re: STOLEN S&B 1-8x ALERT!

    Tear it down and inspect it then leave it lay somewhere in the exhibit hall before everybody leaves.

    I know, I know...kind of black helicopterish.
     
    #7
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    Hoping it was just some scumbag who wanted a S&B but if it was someone looking to reverse engineer I am sure it will be torn apart and inspected and then destroyed to hide the evidence.
     
    #8
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    What a scumbagish thing to do. I would think that at a place like SHOT that would be the LAST thing to happen.

    I guess the next thing is that vendors will have to tie shit down at their exhibits. What a fucking shame.
     
    #9
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    It seemed at this SHOT show there was a larger amount of consumers there than there has been in previous years. We've been doing SHOT for 20 years and haven't had anything stolen yet - it's usually at the consumer shows where something ends up missing and it's usually rings, etc and not scopes attached to dummy rigs.

    Someone would have to be an idiot to do something like that at a show and surface with it somewhere at a range. They'd have to make a deliberate effort to conceal the "PROTOTYPE" markings and I'd think those who saw a unique scope like that would have a lot of questions. Unless it was stolen by a Mfg (anything can happen), it might be shopped around to if someone wants to study it, in which case most probably wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole - or they'd buy it, get the guys info call S&B.

    Sylvia and crew over there are good people and I hate something like that happened to them - I'm sure I'll get the full scoop over lunch in a couple of weeks in Harrisburg....
     
    #10
    Re: STOLEN S&B 1-8x ALERT!

    Tom Manners was nice enough to loan us three stocks to display our slings with, and two of them were stolen before we could even get to our booth on day one.
     
    #11
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom Manners was nice enough to loan us three stocks to display our slings with, and two of them were stolen before we could even get to our booth on day one. </div></div>

    Is there no security in a place like this? I figured given the nature of the event there would be cameras set up everywhere.
     
    #14
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    Tony - did this happen after or before show hours? We had "Security" tell us that we didn't need to put anything up as noone would get in and especially out with gear when the show was closed. Obviously, we're not relying on security for the security of our gear....
     
    #15
    Re: STOLEN S&B 1-8x ALERT!

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom Manners was nice enough to loan us three stocks to display our slings with, and two of them were stolen before we could even get to our booth on day one. </div></div>

    It was probably McMillan trying to study his methods so they can strengthen their stocks. I cant believe that at such a high profile show does not have more roving security. I mean its chock full of FBI, Sheriffs and police officers but a scumbag is a scumbag they will steal when the opportunity presents itself.
     
    #16
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NF Optics-Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Tony - did this happen after or before show hours? We had "Security" tell us that we didn't need to put anything up as noone would get in and especially out with gear when the show was closed. Obviously, we're not relying on security for the security of our gear.... </div></div>

    I've heard from alot of people who do trade shows out in Vegas that the Unions etc have very sticky fingers....and if you get on their bad side bad things will happen to your booth.
     
    #17
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NF Optics-Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Tony - did this happen after or before show hours? We had "Security" tell us that we didn't need to put anything up as noone would get in and especially out with gear when the show was closed. Obviously, we're not relying on security for the security of our gear.... </div></div>

    I've heard from alot of people who do trade shows out in Vegas that the Unions etc have very sticky fingers....and if you get on their bad side bad things will happen to your booth. </div></div>

    I've never found it odd that the smartest vendors roll in there with pretty large safes. I would NEVER leave my gear laying out for the janitors to fondle. It will walk off....
     
    #22
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The scope in question was stolen during the show. Not after hours. </div></div>

    Exactly. During the last 20 minutes of the show to be exact. I received a BOLO message from one of the S&B reps and there are a few opinions on where it is....
     
    #23
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Security is difficult at best. There are so many folks there walking around with so much stuff that if you are a shitbag, it's you're scumbag wonderland. </div></div>
    +1.
    This was my first show & I remember thinking that some of these companies had nearly $50,000-$100,000 in demo optics/gear out for inspection. Granted, I'm in Memphis (a city not very well known for a low crime rate) so my first thought was that this would be the world's biggest, greatest candy store for your average thief...

    Absolutely sucks for S&B but for everybody in the industry who spent time and money to attend. My guess is that it will be tougher next year to fondle the gear.
     
    #24
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    With the number of companies represented at SHOT from foreign countries who have a history of ripping off other's technology, it suprises me folks who come out with cutting edge technology do not protect their prototype merchandise better.

    The cost of one scope compared to what venders like S&B spend for the show is but a very small drop in a very big bucket, but what market share they may lose over the life of that optic line due to some knock-off being able to correctly pull off the 1-8x trick without spending the $$$ for development (assuming they had the brainpower to do that math in the first place) would be felt on their bottom line.
     
    #25
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    ..

    It will stop when Shot Show stops kidding itself and gets back to a zero public policy. It's a trade show for the trade not what it has turned into, a Gun show for the masses. It is a mess and everybody except the show organizers seem to know it. For those that didn't notice, empty booths everywhere, much smaller flow and the lowest numbers in three years.
     
    #26
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..

    It will stop when Shot Show stops kidding itself and gets back to a zero public policy. It's a trade show for the trade not what it has turned into, a Gun show for the masses. It is a mess and everybody except the show organizers seem to know it. For those that didn't notice, empty booths everywhere, much smaller flow and the lowest numbers in three years. </div></div>

    I was under the impression that only vendors/dealers and those with direct ties to the industry were the only ones allowed in. Has that changed? Are they allowing the general public to participate?
     
    #27
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..

    It will stop when Shot Show stops kidding itself and gets back to a zero public policy. It's a trade show for the trade not what it has turned into, a Gun show for the masses. It is a mess and everybody except the show organizers seem to know it. For those that didn't notice, empty booths everywhere, much smaller flow and the lowest numbers in three years. </div></div>

    I was under the impression that only vendors/dealers and those with direct ties to the industry were the only ones allowed in. Has that changed? Are they allowing the general public to participate? </div></div>

    I wish the "true" industry companies were the only ones, but now you can buy everything from tactical socks/gel insoles to gawdy jewelry.

    As far as the 1-8 goes, S&B has been successful in numerous areas where the competitors have failed. First off, the only ones to offer a TRUE 1X and Close Combat (CC) Mode and more importantly, the only ones that haven't had dot sensitivity issues and they're able to keep the dot turned on throughout the mag range.

    Because the dot is in the second focal plane and the reticle in the first, it's extremely difficult to keep the dot aligned as the user turns up the mag. Others have to turn the dot off at less than 3X, so you can't see it (the dot) go off into oblivion and then say it's not needed at the higher mags. I'll be looking for others that haven't been able to accomplish these breakthroughs as a possible sign as to where the stolen scope may have gone.
     
    #28
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    Think it is in China by now? I'm curious why the show organizers don't offer RFID tag service and sensors at the door. Ya know, hand out a bunch of tags for the vendor's products and leave it to them to tag their inventory as needed. The best part would be the embarrassment of the scumbags as they tried to leave the show.
     
    #31
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    Hindsight is always easy- but this might work well in many situations -meaning if small (1.2" (H) x 0.8" (W) x 0.3" (D)Weight: 0.175 Oz) transmittor tag can be attached to item:
    Range 600feet in open area. Based on RF technology. Concrete walls or similar kill signal fast, but still better than nothing I think?.
    Just bought one for my dog
    smile.gif
     
    #32
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    Yeah there were a large amount of "Reverse Engineers" walking around with translators. I was sitting in the Premier booth watching them looking at optics and then taking notes around the corner, just to come back and do it over again.
     
    #33
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    Stealing technology, its big business, just look at the Chinese stealth fighter with US tech.
    This sucks for SB and probably for the Show as a whole, who knows if SB will participate in the future, or if they will let people get hands on. Everything would be in a glass case next year.
     
    #35
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    I was surprised at the amount of new Chinese knockoff piece of shit scopes this year. You would walk through 5 booths in a row, see the same scope 5 times, and hae 5 different names...
     
    #36
    Re: STOLEN S&B 1-8x ALERT!

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom Manners was nice enough to loan us three stocks to display our slings with, and two of them were stolen before we could even get to our booth on day one. </div></div>

    It was probably McMillan trying to study his methods so they can strengthen their stocks. </div></div>

    Awfully big statement to make when publicly questioning a very well respected manufacturers integrity with absolutely nothing to substantiate it. Manners stocks have been out long enough that if they wanted to study them, they probably were legitimately bought a long time ago.....
     
    #37
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    People will steal anything...

    When I was in Iraq, a few Soldiers were caught spray painting over the vehicle ID for one of my EOD flight MRAPS. Seems theirs got banged up and they need an extra for a mission, so they "reallocated" one that was left running outside of the DFAC.

    One might imagine they got a royal a$$kicking, but no. I just had a few of my more burly Sergeants re-reappropriate it back to USAF control.

    Maybe the scope will turn up. "No questions asked" opens a lot of opportunities for the guilty to return items without losing face.

    It's the nature of things....
     
    #38
    Re: STOLEN S&B 1-8x ALERT!

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NF Optics-Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom Manners was nice enough to loan us three stocks to display our slings with, and two of them were stolen before we could even get to our booth on day one. </div></div>

    It was probably McMillan trying to study his methods so they can strengthen their stocks. </div></div>

    Awfully big statement to make when publicly questioning a very well respected manufacturers integrity with absolutely nothing to substantiate it. Manners stocks have been out long enough that if they wanted to study them, they probably were legitimately bought a long time ago..... </div></div>
    If a company wanted to reverse engineer something I would think they had the money available to buy one, then take it apart to see how it works. I feel like it was just a guy walking around that didn't have the money for a scope so he decided to steal one. Doesn't make it right obviously, but that's my guess. Maybe, just maybe someone will return it. We can only hope.
     
    #40
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    Sadly it is not unusual to have quite a bit of gear walk away at SHOT.

    This year was worse than "normal" for stealing though. This year also saw MANY people touring the booths like it was a gun show instead of a trade show.

    As stated previously, one of the best preventions is to leash items during the day and lock them in a safe at night. I have heard of more gear disappearing after the show closes than during the day...
     
    #41
    Re: STOLEN S&B 1-8x ALERT!

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..

    It will stop when Shot Show stops kidding itself and gets back to a zero public policy. It's a trade show for the trade not what it has turned into, a Gun show for the masses. It is a mess and everybody except the show organizers seem to know it. For those that didn't notice, empty booths everywhere, much smaller flow and the lowest numbers in three years. </div></div>

    I was under the impression that only vendors/dealers and those with direct ties to the industry were the only ones allowed in. Has that changed? Are they allowing the general public to participate? </div></div>

    No not the general public. To many vendors take people in to the show. I have had Beretta and Krieghoff offer me passes for being a good customer. I talk to several people who go that have no reason to be there beside the fact they spent some money with a vendor and the vendor takes them to the show.
    Thats is a shame that someone would steal from there. Same thing happens at the SCI show.
     
    #42
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    Bill, it happened before we even got to the booth the first morning. We walked in about 8:15 and there was only one stock at the booth. I walked around to Manners booth which was directly behind us on the next row and asked how many stocks he'd brought for us and was told three. I said there's only one there now and we all just shook our heads and said what a sorry bunch of M*&^ER F(&%$#S.

    I also had a data book cover stolen the first morning too, I forgot about that when I made my first post here. It walked off before about 10:30 AM.

    We had so many people looking at our stuff it was overwhelming for the first three days. Like Frank said somewhere, I'd talk till I about couldn't stand it and run out for a restroom break around 1 or 2 o'clock and get right back to it till 4:30. None of us saw the cover walk off and we were all there at that time too.
     
    #45
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    Why don't people with a booth set up their own cameras? It wouldn't be a very expensive thing to do- hell, the cost to S&B of a Short Dot would easily pay for the set-up.
     
    #46
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why don't people with a booth set up their own cameras? It wouldn't be a very expensive thing to do- hell, the cost to S&B of a Short Dot would easily pay for the set-up.</div></div>

    This is the first year I have heard of such wide spread problems.

    Honestly, booths cost a lot of money, you have to pay for things like electricity, so in an already expensive game, security should be on Reed Exhibits. A basic 10x10 booth when all said and done is easily $8000 for the week. And it only oes up from there. Buying your own security, no thanks.

    I would suggest to Reed no one but exhibitors should be allowed to carry anything in like backpacks, and closed bags. Only the open crates and show supplied bags. Too many people carrying things.
     
    #47
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    Geez. What kinda scumbag would swipe a data book cover? The hint of industrial espionage could explain the S&B walking off, but to swipe a guy's data book cover is low level thievery.
     
    #49
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    Thanks WJ. I posted it on my personal facebook as well as the Team's page. Hopefully getting it out to the community will get it found.
     
    #50
    Re: STOLEN S&B 1-8x ALERT!

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NF Optics-Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom Manners was nice enough to loan us three stocks to display our slings with, and two of them were stolen before we could even get to our booth on day one. </div></div>

    It was probably McMillan trying to study his methods so they can strengthen their stocks. </div></div>

    Awfully big statement to make when publicly questioning a very well respected manufacturers integrity with absolutely nothing to substantiate it. Manners stocks have been out long enough that if they wanted to study them, they probably were legitimately bought a long time ago..... </div></div>

    Except I was kidding..... don't read to hard into everything.
     
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