Stop Resisting
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Adrenaline is a bitch, especially after a high pseed pursuit. Too bad the officers couldn't control it.
Adrenaline is a bitch, especially after a high pseed pursuit. Too bad the officers couldn't control it.
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No sympathy for the unconscious party. Clearly the officers were trying to resuscitate him!
He almost ran that one cop over for Christ's sake and drove like a retard. OOOPS, the R word.
No sympathy for the unconscious party. Clearly the officers were trying to resuscitate him!
He almost ran that one cop over for Christ's sake and drove like a retard. OOOPS, the R word.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No sympathy for the unconscious party. Clearly the officers were trying to resuscitate him!
He almost ran that one cop over for Christ's sake and drove like a retard. OOOPS, the R word. </div></div>
+1
If anyone wonders why no sympathy? Try getting hit by an someone driving like an idiot, WHILE YOU ARE WALKING.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No sympathy for the unconscious party. Clearly the officers were trying to resuscitate him!
He almost ran that one cop over for Christ's sake and drove like a retard. OOOPS, the R word. </div></div>
+1
If anyone wonders why no sympathy? Try getting hit by an someone driving like an idiot, WHILE YOU ARE WALKING.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No sympathy for the unconscious party. Clearly the officers were trying to resuscitate him!
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I too saw that, in the beginning where the "driver of the van" aimed for the officer. Knocked him down, right?
As far as I'm concerned, the gloves came off right there. Another 'unlearnable'.
You'd think this was hockey.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No sympathy for the unconscious party. Clearly the officers were trying to resuscitate him!
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I too saw that, in the beginning where the "driver of the van" aimed for the officer. Knocked him down, right?
As far as I'm concerned, the gloves came off right there. Another 'unlearnable'.
You'd think this was hockey.
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Not sure about there but in Indiana as soon as the idiot attempted to run over the police officer deadly force was justified. It was about four seconds from the turd hitting the dirt and the first officer landing the first blow. Ten seconds later it appears all of the officers had realized that the turd was unconscious.
In a perfect world with perfect police officers (read not human) no one would have laid a hand on him other than to cuff. In the real world where things like adrenaline are a reality and the fact that attempting to kill a fellow officer raises the stakes significantly I don't see an offense here worthy of termination barring other problems with the officers.
Flame on...
Not sure about there but in Indiana as soon as the idiot attempted to run over the police officer deadly force was justified. It was about four seconds from the turd hitting the dirt and the first officer landing the first blow. Ten seconds later it appears all of the officers had realized that the turd was unconscious.
In a perfect world with perfect police officers (read not human) no one would have laid a hand on him other than to cuff. In the real world where things like adrenaline are a reality and the fact that attempting to kill a fellow officer raises the stakes significantly I don't see an offense here worthy of termination barring other problems with the officers.
Flame on...
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Im sure they will face some type of review/suspension, I mean sure the guy deserved it (if he were conscious!) but come on, he was passed out for fuck sake, maybe even dead! And without cuffing him or checking for life they start kicking him, not cool in my book.
Im sure they will face some type of review/suspension, I mean sure the guy deserved it (if he were conscious!) but come on, he was passed out for fuck sake, maybe even dead! And without cuffing him or checking for life they start kicking him, not cool in my book.
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So they should have cuffed him before kicking him?
From the link: "5 Birmingham police officers have been fired after dashcam footage showed them ruthless beating an unconscious man."
Firing them was overkill.
So they should have cuffed him before kicking him?
From the link: "5 Birmingham police officers have been fired after dashcam footage showed them ruthless beating an unconscious man."
Firing them was overkill.
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Didnt bother reading, sounds about right. Look they get paid to leave their personal feelings at home and act in the best interest of the law, instead they were out for revenge which made them no better than the scum they were getting paid to take off the streets.
Im sorry but Im not your "ohh poor cops, they didnt deserve to get fired" kind of guy, I live in Los Angeles where cops are DICKS and look for a reason to make a criminal out of anyone they pull over weather they did something or not. I get pulled over on a weekly basis for driving a nice car and nothing more, now 99% of the time I can cuss my way out of a ticket when the jackass that pulled me over realized that Im not going to bend over and take it, but I still get those idiots that give me a bullshit ticket just because they want to fuck with me and they dont even have the balls to show up to court so I can trash them in front of the judge, they just do it so I can waste my time, goto court, stand in line just to find out the spineless prick didnt show up and the ticket is dismissed.
sorry, rant off.
Didnt bother reading, sounds about right. Look they get paid to leave their personal feelings at home and act in the best interest of the law, instead they were out for revenge which made them no better than the scum they were getting paid to take off the streets.
Im sorry but Im not your "ohh poor cops, they didnt deserve to get fired" kind of guy, I live in Los Angeles where cops are DICKS and look for a reason to make a criminal out of anyone they pull over weather they did something or not. I get pulled over on a weekly basis for driving a nice car and nothing more, now 99% of the time I can cuss my way out of a ticket when the jackass that pulled me over realized that Im not going to bend over and take it, but I still get those idiots that give me a bullshit ticket just because they want to fuck with me and they dont even have the balls to show up to court so I can trash them in front of the judge, they just do it so I can waste my time, goto court, stand in line just to find out the spineless prick didnt show up and the ticket is dismissed.
sorry, rant off.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Im sorry but Im not your "ohh poor cops, they didnt deserve to get fired" kind of guy, </div></div>
Quite obviously. You're one of the "I know their jobs better than they do" kind of guys. Your also one of those "cops should be perfect fucking robots until one has their sights set on you then they're supposed to show some humanity and understand that you don't deserve the ticket" kind of guys.
Let's break it down shall we?
The turd was 6" from killing a person, on video and right in front of several police officers. 10 seconds later they PIT him into the ditch. The first officer to get stopped jumps out of his car and heads toward the bad guy. Officer one sees the turd in the ditch and thinks to himself:
1) Awesome!! The guy is out cold or dead so now I can beat his ass and he won't even feel it!
-or-
2) If he's willing to run over a police officer to get away what else is he willing to do?
Officer one runs up and delivers a blow (or attempts to) with a baton. Officers two, three, four & five arrive within seconds and see officer one delivering blows so what do they think:
1) Awesome! We all get to kick this guys ass who is quite obviously (to them at the time of course) out fucking cold.
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2) This asshole who just tried to run over one of our coworkers is continuing to resist or fight as demonstrated by officer one's behavior.
So they all jump in and hit the guy. I saw one officer deliver one kick just before they realized the guy wasn't moving and ceased.
Now, was this textbook perfect? No. Can you honestly put yourself in their position and feel the adrenaline involved in seeing someone try to kill someone you know, being in a high speed chase plus whatever the hell the turd was wanted for in the first place? The answer is no. Unless you've been in that position you can't. Given the totality of the circumstances I see nothing in that video which justifies the termination of the officers. But then again, those who have a fucking clue don't get to make the decisions in these cases.
This isn't about LAPD being dicks and pulling you over.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Im sorry but Im not your "ohh poor cops, they didnt deserve to get fired" kind of guy, </div></div>
Quite obviously. You're one of the "I know their jobs better than they do" kind of guys. Your also one of those "cops should be perfect fucking robots until one has their sights set on you then they're supposed to show some humanity and understand that you don't deserve the ticket" kind of guys.
Let's break it down shall we?
The turd was 6" from killing a person, on video and right in front of several police officers. 10 seconds later they PIT him into the ditch. The first officer to get stopped jumps out of his car and heads toward the bad guy. Officer one sees the turd in the ditch and thinks to himself:
1) Awesome!! The guy is out cold or dead so now I can beat his ass and he won't even feel it!
-or-
2) If he's willing to run over a police officer to get away what else is he willing to do?
Officer one runs up and delivers a blow (or attempts to) with a baton. Officers two, three, four & five arrive within seconds and see officer one delivering blows so what do they think:
1) Awesome! We all get to kick this guys ass who is quite obviously (to them at the time of course) out fucking cold.
-or-
2) This asshole who just tried to run over one of our coworkers is continuing to resist or fight as demonstrated by officer one's behavior.
So they all jump in and hit the guy. I saw one officer deliver one kick just before they realized the guy wasn't moving and ceased.
Now, was this textbook perfect? No. Can you honestly put yourself in their position and feel the adrenaline involved in seeing someone try to kill someone you know, being in a high speed chase plus whatever the hell the turd was wanted for in the first place? The answer is no. Unless you've been in that position you can't. Given the totality of the circumstances I see nothing in that video which justifies the termination of the officers. But then again, those who have a fucking clue don't get to make the decisions in these cases.
This isn't about LAPD being dicks and pulling you over.
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I agree with USMCj. They ran to a man lying face down on the ground and began beating him... That is some adrenaline rush. I am not defending the lowlife, but merely attacking the actions of the officers. Neither side acted appropriately, but the officers are being PAID to maintain professionalism during the course of their work; therefore, Good Riddance to all of them. When cops act this way it puts them at the same level as the thugs who they are pursuing.
I agree with USMCj. They ran to a man lying face down on the ground and began beating him... That is some adrenaline rush. I am not defending the lowlife, but merely attacking the actions of the officers. Neither side acted appropriately, but the officers are being PAID to maintain professionalism during the course of their work; therefore, Good Riddance to all of them. When cops act this way it puts them at the same level as the thugs who they are pursuing.
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I will not deny he had it coming.
However, lets just say that this beating on tape could be the starting of a GREAT lawsuit that may just get him out of jail, put the cops in jail, and him in a nice fancy house, unless he is paralyzed from that one last punch. Nah that could never happen right Rodney King?
I will not deny he had it coming.
However, lets just say that this beating on tape could be the starting of a GREAT lawsuit that may just get him out of jail, put the cops in jail, and him in a nice fancy house, unless he is paralyzed from that one last punch. Nah that could never happen right Rodney King?
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So I am clueless now...? The video shown is what some people refer to as evidence.
As to the 'armchair quarterbacking' comment; you are saying there COULD BE something we are missing that would make beating an unconscious man lying face down acceptable? I disagree, but please explain.
So I am clueless now...? The video shown is what some people refer to as evidence.
As to the 'armchair quarterbacking' comment; you are saying there COULD BE something we are missing that would make beating an unconscious man lying face down acceptable? I disagree, but please explain.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Always easy to armchair quarterback I guess, especially when clueless. </div></div>
The one one clueless here is you, in your neck of the woods cops might be nice, but here in Cali, they are dicks, plain and simple. And thats true for 99% of them, they are all on power trips who think the public doesnt know their rights so might as well take advantage of the fact.
Those cops didnt deserve to get fired, they deserved to goto jail for a very long time, its pricks like them that give good cops a bad name. LOL Good cops.....here in California thats an oxymoron.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Always easy to armchair quarterback I guess, especially when clueless. </div></div>
The one one clueless here is you, in your neck of the woods cops might be nice, but here in Cali, they are dicks, plain and simple. And thats true for 99% of them, they are all on power trips who think the public doesnt know their rights so might as well take advantage of the fact.
Those cops didnt deserve to get fired, they deserved to goto jail for a very long time, its pricks like them that give good cops a bad name. LOL Good cops.....here in California thats an oxymoron.
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BALLISTIC, dont bother, he is probably a asshurt cop who belives he is above the law he is supposed to uphold.
BALLISTIC, dont bother, he is probably a asshurt cop who belives he is above the law he is supposed to uphold.
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What you are missing is the difficulty in making split second decisions when dealing with someone who obviously doesn't see killing you as much of an obstacle. The first officer to reach the suspect had approximately four seconds to make a determination on the status of the shitbag in the ditch and that is assuming he could see the idiot clearly from the time he exited his car. Not four seconds while watching it all on video. Four seconds in the heat of the moment of being in a high speed pursuit of a suspect wanted for a minimum of attempted murder of one of his coworkers.
Four seconds may seem like a lot of time to you but in a high stress situation it is not. I don't think there are too many here who will say that this idiot didn't have it coming. What I don't agree with is the expectation that because someone has a badge they are expected to be perfect and make split second decisions with adrenaline pumping and never make a mistake. It's easy to sit back and say you would have done something different but unless you were there and experiencing what they were you can't. People who have been in similar situations can. These guys made a mistake. They didn't walk up to this guy on the street, knock him off of his bicycle and kick his spleen out. Should they be punished? Sure, I'm not debating that. Was it a malicious and unprovoked attack which should result in them having difficulty feeding their families? Not unless there are other problems or patterns of behavior with the officers.
What you are missing is the difficulty in making split second decisions when dealing with someone who obviously doesn't see killing you as much of an obstacle. The first officer to reach the suspect had approximately four seconds to make a determination on the status of the shitbag in the ditch and that is assuming he could see the idiot clearly from the time he exited his car. Not four seconds while watching it all on video. Four seconds in the heat of the moment of being in a high speed pursuit of a suspect wanted for a minimum of attempted murder of one of his coworkers.
Four seconds may seem like a lot of time to you but in a high stress situation it is not. I don't think there are too many here who will say that this idiot didn't have it coming. What I don't agree with is the expectation that because someone has a badge they are expected to be perfect and make split second decisions with adrenaline pumping and never make a mistake. It's easy to sit back and say you would have done something different but unless you were there and experiencing what they were you can't. People who have been in similar situations can. These guys made a mistake. They didn't walk up to this guy on the street, knock him off of his bicycle and kick his spleen out. Should they be punished? Sure, I'm not debating that. Was it a malicious and unprovoked attack which should result in them having difficulty feeding their families? Not unless there are other problems or patterns of behavior with the officers.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BALLISTIC, dont bother, he is probably a asshurt cop who belives he is above the law he is supposed to uphold. </div></div>
Not quite hero. I'm someone who has the ability to do the job, has done the job and done it very well for over 11 years. Been in situations similar to this and worse on numerous occasions and have never had so much as an IA complaint let alone a lawsuit.
Care to enlighten the class on your vast well of experience you dip into to reach your educated opinions on the matter?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BALLISTIC, dont bother, he is probably a asshurt cop who belives he is above the law he is supposed to uphold. </div></div>
Not quite hero. I'm someone who has the ability to do the job, has done the job and done it very well for over 11 years. Been in situations similar to this and worse on numerous occasions and have never had so much as an IA complaint let alone a lawsuit.
Care to enlighten the class on your vast well of experience you dip into to reach your educated opinions on the matter?
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They should have shot him if they felt that he was that much of a threat, but they didn't instead they decided a pit maneuver was sufficient.
A split second decision now turns into four seconds, but it wasn't the four seconds when it was decided what would be done. It was the minutes before, and they wanted Vengeance. I have no problem with Vengeance, but one shouldn't become an officer of the law if that is what one seeks. They knew before it went down that they wanted to make him 'pay'. We cannot remove actions; they can only be prevented or stopped after having been started. It may have been provoked but it was also Premeditated response. You cannot tell me that as they were pursuing the guy after he attempted to run over the officer they were not 'chomping at the bit' to get a piece of him. I see no other Logical way to read the situation.
I am not asking from perfection from ANYONE, it would be pointless anyways because we are incapable of such, but EVERYONE should be held accountable for their actions, and that is exactly what happened. I know I was not there, but nonetheless their actions were completely out of line for ANY civilian, let alone an officer of the law.
You are correct on one thing; they made a mistake, and they paid for it too. Should mistakes be cheaper? A day off with paid leave to cool off? A week off? Pathetic.
I believe they demonstrated enough of their problem or pattern of behavior in less than a minute.
They should have shot him if they felt that he was that much of a threat, but they didn't instead they decided a pit maneuver was sufficient.
A split second decision now turns into four seconds, but it wasn't the four seconds when it was decided what would be done. It was the minutes before, and they wanted Vengeance. I have no problem with Vengeance, but one shouldn't become an officer of the law if that is what one seeks. They knew before it went down that they wanted to make him 'pay'. We cannot remove actions; they can only be prevented or stopped after having been started. It may have been provoked but it was also Premeditated response. You cannot tell me that as they were pursuing the guy after he attempted to run over the officer they were not 'chomping at the bit' to get a piece of him. I see no other Logical way to read the situation.
I am not asking from perfection from ANYONE, it would be pointless anyways because we are incapable of such, but EVERYONE should be held accountable for their actions, and that is exactly what happened. I know I was not there, but nonetheless their actions were completely out of line for ANY civilian, let alone an officer of the law.
You are correct on one thing; they made a mistake, and they paid for it too. Should mistakes be cheaper? A day off with paid leave to cool off? A week off? Pathetic.
I believe they demonstrated enough of their problem or pattern of behavior in less than a minute.
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No grenades here, only a simple and logical view of the events transpired. As far as your quote, if what was contained on the video counts as 'Tactics' then I suppose I should hit up the local gangs, and see if I could pick up some. I am done with this thread, my view is noted.
No grenades here, only a simple and logical view of the events transpired. As far as your quote, if what was contained on the video counts as 'Tactics' then I suppose I should hit up the local gangs, and see if I could pick up some. I am done with this thread, my view is noted.
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My bad. I read it but became distracted due to the quote itself. So why did you post a quote in a thread if you state that it is removed from such discussion? To give endorsement to your favorite author? LMAO! Goodnight.
My bad. I read it but became distracted due to the quote itself. So why did you post a quote in a thread if you state that it is removed from such discussion? To give endorsement to your favorite author? LMAO! Goodnight.
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This is why I should be king of all I survey. Sometimes a ruling such as, "Because I say so" is sufficient!
King QQ, "The officer's punishment will be... washing a fire truck.
Annoying media jester, "Why not torure the officers oh great Queequeg?"
King QQ, "Because I say so, be gone..."
Ultimately, I really think we'd all benefit from such a regime.
This is why I should be king of all I survey. Sometimes a ruling such as, "Because I say so" is sufficient!
King QQ, "The officer's punishment will be... washing a fire truck.
Annoying media jester, "Why not torure the officers oh great Queequeg?"
King QQ, "Because I say so, be gone..."
Ultimately, I really think we'd all benefit from such a regime.
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Looks bad for the cops. The ass hat did come very close to hitting the officer with the spike strip but the driver did not try to hit him, he was running too fast and lost control when he whipped in front of the parked car. Driver was still wrong and maybe the officer should have used a better approach. Limp guy in ditch with officers beating him looks bad.
What if a highway worker is holding a stop sigh to control traffic and almost gets hit by a drunk that did not see him. Then the drunk flips his auto 50 yards fron the highway worker and gets cast into the ditch, can the highway worker and his buddies run over and stary beating him over the head with his stop sign?
Water boarding the boys at Gitmo is wrong per our standards so I think beating a unconscious guy is wrong also. I dont think the officers should be fired but some anger management training is in order.
I am not taking sides on this one, just giving an possible observation from a jury's stand point
Looks bad for the cops. The ass hat did come very close to hitting the officer with the spike strip but the driver did not try to hit him, he was running too fast and lost control when he whipped in front of the parked car. Driver was still wrong and maybe the officer should have used a better approach. Limp guy in ditch with officers beating him looks bad.
What if a highway worker is holding a stop sigh to control traffic and almost gets hit by a drunk that did not see him. Then the drunk flips his auto 50 yards fron the highway worker and gets cast into the ditch, can the highway worker and his buddies run over and stary beating him over the head with his stop sign?
Water boarding the boys at Gitmo is wrong per our standards so I think beating a unconscious guy is wrong also. I dont think the officers should be fired but some anger management training is in order.
I am not taking sides on this one, just giving an possible observation from a jury's stand point
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BALLISTIC, dont bother, he is probably a asshurt cop who belives he is above the law he is supposed to uphold. </div></div>
Not quite hero. I'm someone who has the ability to do the job, has done the job and done it very well for over 11 years. Been in situations similar to this and worse on numerous occasions and have never had so much as an IA complaint let alone a lawsuit.
Care to enlighten the class on your vast well of experience you dip into to reach your educated opinions on the matter?
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You just confirmed that you are a asshurt cop, LOL! Its a shame that people like you (people who think beating the crap out of a unconscious man is ok) are allowed to be cops. You guys should be setting the bar higher, not lowering it.
Ill say it again, they are lucky if all they got was being fired. They belong in jail, no better than the scum they are supposed to be taking off the streets.
Take it however you want, Ive given my 2c.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BALLISTIC, dont bother, he is probably a asshurt cop who belives he is above the law he is supposed to uphold. </div></div>
Not quite hero. I'm someone who has the ability to do the job, has done the job and done it very well for over 11 years. Been in situations similar to this and worse on numerous occasions and have never had so much as an IA complaint let alone a lawsuit.
Care to enlighten the class on your vast well of experience you dip into to reach your educated opinions on the matter?
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You just confirmed that you are a asshurt cop, LOL! Its a shame that people like you (people who think beating the crap out of a unconscious man is ok) are allowed to be cops. You guys should be setting the bar higher, not lowering it.
Ill say it again, they are lucky if all they got was being fired. They belong in jail, no better than the scum they are supposed to be taking off the streets.
Take it however you want, Ive given my 2c.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You just confirmed that you are a asshurt cop, LOL! Its a shame that people like you (people who think beating the crap out of a unconscious man is ok) are allowed to be cops. You guys should be setting the bar higher, not lowering it.
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Well I guess somebody's got to do the job. Few actually have the balls or the intelligence to do it well which is why I'm guessing we aren't listening to you list your experience. It's far easier to cry like a girl from across the street than get in the fight. Perhaps these five will find work in LA.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You just confirmed that you are a asshurt cop, LOL! Its a shame that people like you (people who think beating the crap out of a unconscious man is ok) are allowed to be cops. You guys should be setting the bar higher, not lowering it.
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Well I guess somebody's got to do the job. Few actually have the balls or the intelligence to do it well which is why I'm guessing we aren't listening to you list your experience. It's far easier to cry like a girl from across the street than get in the fight. Perhaps these five will find work in LA.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is why I should be king of all I survey. Sometimes a ruling such as, "Because I say so" is sufficient!
King QQ, "The officer's punishment will be... washing a fire truck.
Annoying media jester, "Why not torure the officers oh great Queequeg?"
King QQ, "Because I say so, be gone..."
Ultimately, I really think we'd all benefit from such a regime.
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QueeQueeg for King!!!
...sign up now.
As to the discussion on this thread, I am aghast. Two very different views being displayed.
As Phylo stated, (and I alluded to) there is obviously more to this story than what we see on the video, to begin with. So we all don't know where it "starts". Now, moving on, we get to this:
We see the driver nearly harm an officer. Then we see a chase. We can assume (makes an ASS outta you and the other guy) that there is radio contact, and immediacy involved. (Wouldn't we all want that, if we were in their situation?)
But look back further, BEFORE the beginning. This individual was already involved in a multiple car, high speed chase. Or are you so obtuse to think that spike strips are laid out on freeways, just for the hell of it? And all these cop cars just 'all the sudden' choreographed and coordinated and all decided to chase this one individual. All at the same time?
So knowing then, that WE HAVEN'T A CLUE AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON because the editor of the video is only showing us what he/she/it wants us to see, and TITLES it with a 'biasing' headline to begin with, don't you think then, this was probably released by the Defense attornass?
I don't know, cause I'm not a cop. Don't play one on TV, and no, I don't play one in my dreams, either. But I will say, that for someone who has garnered the attention and focus to this extent, and is close to being captured, please ensure that HE DOESN'T GET AWAY, is restrained, and is prevented from further harm to anyone. And the individual cop who's putting the cuffs on him, or attempting to, should be given any and all assistance required, to accomplish said goal.
If the perpetrator resists, then escalate efforts. And all the others rushing in (to arrest and assist) see the donnybrook and "come to the aid of their betters".
Or is this a case of "Don't ever do anything like that ever, for anyone, except when "I" need help. No others bother asking,,, you don't matter."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is why I should be king of all I survey. Sometimes a ruling such as, "Because I say so" is sufficient!
King QQ, "The officer's punishment will be... washing a fire truck.
Annoying media jester, "Why not torure the officers oh great Queequeg?"
King QQ, "Because I say so, be gone..."
Ultimately, I really think we'd all benefit from such a regime.
</div></div>
QueeQueeg for King!!!
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As to the discussion on this thread, I am aghast. Two very different views being displayed.
As Phylo stated, (and I alluded to) there is obviously more to this story than what we see on the video, to begin with. So we all don't know where it "starts". Now, moving on, we get to this:
We see the driver nearly harm an officer. Then we see a chase. We can assume (makes an ASS outta you and the other guy) that there is radio contact, and immediacy involved. (Wouldn't we all want that, if we were in their situation?)
But look back further, BEFORE the beginning. This individual was already involved in a multiple car, high speed chase. Or are you so obtuse to think that spike strips are laid out on freeways, just for the hell of it? And all these cop cars just 'all the sudden' choreographed and coordinated and all decided to chase this one individual. All at the same time?
So knowing then, that WE HAVEN'T A CLUE AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON because the editor of the video is only showing us what he/she/it wants us to see, and TITLES it with a 'biasing' headline to begin with, don't you think then, this was probably released by the Defense attornass?
I don't know, cause I'm not a cop. Don't play one on TV, and no, I don't play one in my dreams, either. But I will say, that for someone who has garnered the attention and focus to this extent, and is close to being captured, please ensure that HE DOESN'T GET AWAY, is restrained, and is prevented from further harm to anyone. And the individual cop who's putting the cuffs on him, or attempting to, should be given any and all assistance required, to accomplish said goal.
If the perpetrator resists, then escalate efforts. And all the others rushing in (to arrest and assist) see the donnybrook and "come to the aid of their betters".
Or is this a case of "Don't ever do anything like that ever, for anyone, except when "I" need help. No others bother asking,,, you don't matter."
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The first shift Sergeant I ever worked for used to tell us "Always try to imagine how you're gonna sound explaining this in court". That was even before dash cams came along.
I'm the shift Sergeant standing behind that podium now and I catch myself saying the same thing from time to time.
You remember the first time you heard yourself saying something your Dad said and you swore you'd never say anything like that?
I don't second guess and very rarely comment, but I'd hate to have to explain that.
The first shift Sergeant I ever worked for used to tell us "Always try to imagine how you're gonna sound explaining this in court". That was even before dash cams came along.
I'm the shift Sergeant standing behind that podium now and I catch myself saying the same thing from time to time.
You remember the first time you heard yourself saying something your Dad said and you swore you'd never say anything like that?
I don't second guess and very rarely comment, but I'd hate to have to explain that.
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The title said "ruthlessly"
I did not see ANYTHING that comes even close to ruthlessly. I'll bet that guy could still walk and chew. He did not even get a wodney king beatdown. They ought to title the video "Birmingham Officers show amazing restaint in not killing a criminal who just tried to kill an officer".
The title said "ruthlessly"
I did not see ANYTHING that comes even close to ruthlessly. I'll bet that guy could still walk and chew. He did not even get a wodney king beatdown. They ought to title the video "Birmingham Officers show amazing restaint in not killing a criminal who just tried to kill an officer".
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What if a highway worker is holding a stop sigh to control traffic and almost gets hit by a drunk that did not see him. Then the drunk flips his auto 50 yards fron the highway worker and gets cast into the ditch, can the highway worker and his buddies run over and stary beating him over the head with his stop sign?
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That's exactly what I was wondering, if those had been private citizens beating the guy would charges have been filed?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What if a highway worker is holding a stop sigh to control traffic and almost gets hit by a drunk that did not see him. Then the drunk flips his auto 50 yards fron the highway worker and gets cast into the ditch, can the highway worker and his buddies run over and stary beating him over the head with his stop sign?
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That's exactly what I was wondering, if those had been private citizens beating the guy would charges have been filed?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didnt bother reading, sounds about right. Look they get paid to leave their personal feelings at home and act in the best interest of the law, instead they were out for revenge which made them no better than the scum they were getting paid to take off the streets.
Im sorry but Im not your "ohh poor cops, they didnt deserve to get fired" kind of guy, I live in Los Angeles where cops are DICKS and look for a reason to make a criminal out of anyone they pull over weather they did something or not. I get pulled over on a weekly basis for driving a nice car and nothing more, now 99% of the time <span style="font-weight: bold">I can cuss my way out of a ticket when the jackass that pulled me over realized that Im not going to bend over and take it</span>, but I still get those idiots that give me a bullshit ticket just because they want to fuck with me and they dont even have the balls to show up to court <span style="font-weight: bold">so I can trash them in front of the judge,</span> they just do it so I can waste my time, goto court, stand in line just to find out the spineless prick didnt show up and the ticket is dismissed.
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You're right, you must be dealing with some pussy ass cops if they allow YOU, (a seemingly prick civilian) to intimidate them into not writing you a ticket.
If you're ever in the NY area drop me a line. I would love to pull you over so that you can try to intimidate your way out of a ticket by "cursing" at me.
As far as the cops on tape goes. Not saying what they did was right or wrong but sometimes people forget that cops are human as well. In a perfect world it would be easy to just do everything by the book and not let feelings get in the way. We don't live in a perfect world.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didnt bother reading, sounds about right. Look they get paid to leave their personal feelings at home and act in the best interest of the law, instead they were out for revenge which made them no better than the scum they were getting paid to take off the streets.
Im sorry but Im not your "ohh poor cops, they didnt deserve to get fired" kind of guy, I live in Los Angeles where cops are DICKS and look for a reason to make a criminal out of anyone they pull over weather they did something or not. I get pulled over on a weekly basis for driving a nice car and nothing more, now 99% of the time <span style="font-weight: bold">I can cuss my way out of a ticket when the jackass that pulled me over realized that Im not going to bend over and take it</span>, but I still get those idiots that give me a bullshit ticket just because they want to fuck with me and they dont even have the balls to show up to court <span style="font-weight: bold">so I can trash them in front of the judge,</span> they just do it so I can waste my time, goto court, stand in line just to find out the spineless prick didnt show up and the ticket is dismissed.
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You're right, you must be dealing with some pussy ass cops if they allow YOU, (a seemingly prick civilian) to intimidate them into not writing you a ticket.
If you're ever in the NY area drop me a line. I would love to pull you over so that you can try to intimidate your way out of a ticket by "cursing" at me.
As far as the cops on tape goes. Not saying what they did was right or wrong but sometimes people forget that cops are human as well. In a perfect world it would be easy to just do everything by the book and not let feelings get in the way. We don't live in a perfect world.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As far as the cops on tape goes. Not saying what they did was right or wrong but sometimes people forget that cops are human as well. In a perfect world it would be easy to just do everything by the book and not let feelings get in the way. We don't live in a perfect world.</div></div>
I understand that, I'm just curious (because really I don't know the answer) if <span style="font-weight: bold">I</span> had seen that and gotten pissed and jumped on the guy, how much trouble would I be in?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As far as the cops on tape goes. Not saying what they did was right or wrong but sometimes people forget that cops are human as well. In a perfect world it would be easy to just do everything by the book and not let feelings get in the way. We don't live in a perfect world.</div></div>
I understand that, I'm just curious (because really I don't know the answer) if <span style="font-weight: bold">I</span> had seen that and gotten pissed and jumped on the guy, how much trouble would I be in?
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I would have done the same thing. Seeing that this guy had no regard for human life, cop or not, Whats to say when I go to arrest him he doesn't pull a shank out of his waist and stick me in the neck ??
I would have done the same thing. Seeing that this guy had no regard for human life, cop or not, Whats to say when I go to arrest him he doesn't pull a shank out of his waist and stick me in the neck ??
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Texagator</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> No opinions will be changed and no perspectives will be expanded.
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Good point.
A situation arose, where an officer (for discussion sake, Officer B) drives up on an officer from another agency (Officer A) firing his duty weapon at a suspect near a residence. No radio traffic had come out from Officer B's agency concerning the situation. Officer B exits his unit, gains cover, and joins in firing at the suspect, eventually striking him. After the scene is secured, the issue arose that Officer A was not justified in the use of deadly force, so Officer B was in deep civil doodoo. The outsiders looking in ruled that Officer B should have initially ascertained the depth of the scenario and made a judgement on whether Officer A was justified in using deadly force, prior to him firing his weapon.
The correlation is that in times of extreme stress, the adrenaline dump takes over. Despite years of training and mindset adjusting, good people go ape when a fellow officer is deemed to be in danger. It is had to imagine, if you have never participated in endeavors such as these. I fully understand that the officers should have only used the force deemed necessary to effect an arrest. Period. Can this event be used as training fodder to show others how to respond... Yes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Texagator</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> No opinions will be changed and no perspectives will be expanded.
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Good point.
A situation arose, where an officer (for discussion sake, Officer B) drives up on an officer from another agency (Officer A) firing his duty weapon at a suspect near a residence. No radio traffic had come out from Officer B's agency concerning the situation. Officer B exits his unit, gains cover, and joins in firing at the suspect, eventually striking him. After the scene is secured, the issue arose that Officer A was not justified in the use of deadly force, so Officer B was in deep civil doodoo. The outsiders looking in ruled that Officer B should have initially ascertained the depth of the scenario and made a judgement on whether Officer A was justified in using deadly force, prior to him firing his weapon.
The correlation is that in times of extreme stress, the adrenaline dump takes over. Despite years of training and mindset adjusting, good people go ape when a fellow officer is deemed to be in danger. It is had to imagine, if you have never participated in endeavors such as these. I fully understand that the officers should have only used the force deemed necessary to effect an arrest. Period. Can this event be used as training fodder to show others how to respond... Yes.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As far as the cops on tape goes. Not saying what they did was right or wrong but sometimes people forget that cops are human as well. In a perfect world it would be easy to just do everything by the book and not let feelings get in the way. We don't live in a perfect world.</div></div>
I understand that, I'm just curious (because really I don't know the answer) if <span style="font-weight: bold">I</span> had seen that and gotten pissed and jumped on the guy, how much trouble would I be in?
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Probably no trouble at all. You certainly wouldn't have lost your job over it. Cops always pay a stiffer sentence when they do something that is perceived to be wrong because cops are held to that "higher standard" crap.
No one knows what this perp did and why he was chased the way he was. All we know is that he put countless people's lives in jeopardy and he almost killed a cop.
So, had the same beating occurred and it was a bunch of highway workers, I doubt anyone would have made such a fuss over it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As far as the cops on tape goes. Not saying what they did was right or wrong but sometimes people forget that cops are human as well. In a perfect world it would be easy to just do everything by the book and not let feelings get in the way. We don't live in a perfect world.</div></div>
I understand that, I'm just curious (because really I don't know the answer) if <span style="font-weight: bold">I</span> had seen that and gotten pissed and jumped on the guy, how much trouble would I be in?
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Probably no trouble at all. You certainly wouldn't have lost your job over it. Cops always pay a stiffer sentence when they do something that is perceived to be wrong because cops are held to that "higher standard" crap.
No one knows what this perp did and why he was chased the way he was. All we know is that he put countless people's lives in jeopardy and he almost killed a cop.
So, had the same beating occurred and it was a bunch of highway workers, I doubt anyone would have made such a fuss over it.
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So what you are saying is if 5 highway workers beat up a unconscious man after he gets trown out of a car, and it was cought on that just like the one above, they would not be in too much trouble? I call bullshit! what fucking world are you living in? is that how shit goes in NY? man I thought this Kali was bad.
So what you are saying is if 5 highway workers beat up a unconscious man after he gets trown out of a car, and it was cought on that just like the one above, they would not be in too much trouble? I call bullshit! what fucking world are you living in? is that how shit goes in NY? man I thought this Kali was bad.
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Have to disagree with you there Slap. My expereince is that most city government jobs are heavily scrutinized, PERIOD.
Examples...
A LT. at a Fire Department here got accused of beating his old lady. This was an offense that happened at home, on his own time. He was busted down to a plugman, and they damn near canned his ass completely. The Mayor wanted him fired, but the Chief talked him into demotion.
A guy that was head of landscaping or some shit was involved in a nasty divorce due to him wiggling his dick around in a co-worker. He was fired. Been with the city forever, fired over inappropriate actions or some shit.
A guy I work with, was threatened with termination if he got his licensed suspended over a unpaid traffic ticket. Long story short, it was just a mix up, he tried to pay it once, and still had a week and a half to pay it, but they flat out told him that if he didn't pay it on time, and his license got suspended, that he would be fired.
I think the heavy scrutiny is not a plight that only the PD endures.
Have to disagree with you there Slap. My expereince is that most city government jobs are heavily scrutinized, PERIOD.
Examples...
A LT. at a Fire Department here got accused of beating his old lady. This was an offense that happened at home, on his own time. He was busted down to a plugman, and they damn near canned his ass completely. The Mayor wanted him fired, but the Chief talked him into demotion.
A guy that was head of landscaping or some shit was involved in a nasty divorce due to him wiggling his dick around in a co-worker. He was fired. Been with the city forever, fired over inappropriate actions or some shit.
A guy I work with, was threatened with termination if he got his licensed suspended over a unpaid traffic ticket. Long story short, it was just a mix up, he tried to pay it once, and still had a week and a half to pay it, but they flat out told him that if he didn't pay it on time, and his license got suspended, that he would be fired.
I think the heavy scrutiny is not a plight that only the PD endures.
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Probably no trouble at all. You certainly wouldn't have lost your job over it. Cops always pay a stiffer sentence when they do something that is perceived to be wrong because cops are held to that "higher standard" crap.</div></div>
lol!
Man, it stinks in here.
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Probably no trouble at all. You certainly wouldn't have lost your job over it. Cops always pay a stiffer sentence when they do something that is perceived to be wrong because cops are held to that "higher standard" crap.</div></div>
lol!
Man, it stinks in here.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what you are saying is if 5 highway workers beat up a unconscious man after he gets trown out of a car, and it was cought on that just like the one above, they would not be in too much trouble? I call bullshit! what fucking world are you living in? is that how shit goes in NY? man I thought this Kali was bad. </div></div>
That's exactly what I'm saying. What fucking world are YOU living in? Watch the news lately? The governor of NY is involved in 6-8 separate scandals involving corruption, perjury and witness tampering. He refuses to give up his seat and is STILL serving.
If it were a police officer involved in just ONE of those incidents, never mind 8, he'd be looking at jail time. Same shit goes for John Q. Public.
And I'm also saying that I'd love for me to pull you over so you could try to intimidate me by "cursing your way out of the ticket". If you're ever in NY, drop me a PM.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So what you are saying is if 5 highway workers beat up a unconscious man after he gets trown out of a car, and it was cought on that just like the one above, they would not be in too much trouble? I call bullshit! what fucking world are you living in? is that how shit goes in NY? man I thought this Kali was bad. </div></div>
That's exactly what I'm saying. What fucking world are YOU living in? Watch the news lately? The governor of NY is involved in 6-8 separate scandals involving corruption, perjury and witness tampering. He refuses to give up his seat and is STILL serving.
If it were a police officer involved in just ONE of those incidents, never mind 8, he'd be looking at jail time. Same shit goes for John Q. Public.
And I'm also saying that I'd love for me to pull you over so you could try to intimidate me by "cursing your way out of the ticket". If you're ever in NY, drop me a PM.
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And one more thing, watch the video again, now ask yourself this, if you were in this situation, after the guy was thrown out of the car and you got there and got out of your car, whats the first thing you would do?
What you should do is pull your pistol and point it at the perp and slowly move in on him to make sure he isnt faking it, and if he is, when he makes a more, you will put one betweenn his eyes, right?
well ask yourself this now, did you see any of the 5 thugs (cops) that ran to him just to stomp on him have their sidearm drawn? NO because they clearly saw that he was face down and just wanted to beat on his ass! not a single pistol drawn, hmmmm.
I would have understood if they all pulled their pistols on the guy while they slowly moved in, then one cop jumped on the perp and put his knee into the guys back to make sure he cant move while the other cop cuffec the perp, but all they did is jump on him and beat the crap out of him without thinking,and in the end the perp was still without cuffs. But hey, who needs cuffs, not like they did anything els by the book.
And one more thing, watch the video again, now ask yourself this, if you were in this situation, after the guy was thrown out of the car and you got there and got out of your car, whats the first thing you would do?
What you should do is pull your pistol and point it at the perp and slowly move in on him to make sure he isnt faking it, and if he is, when he makes a more, you will put one betweenn his eyes, right?
well ask yourself this now, did you see any of the 5 thugs (cops) that ran to him just to stomp on him have their sidearm drawn? NO because they clearly saw that he was face down and just wanted to beat on his ass! not a single pistol drawn, hmmmm.
I would have understood if they all pulled their pistols on the guy while they slowly moved in, then one cop jumped on the perp and put his knee into the guys back to make sure he cant move while the other cop cuffec the perp, but all they did is jump on him and beat the crap out of him without thinking,and in the end the perp was still without cuffs. But hey, who needs cuffs, not like they did anything els by the book.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And one more thing, watch the video again, now ask yourself this, if you were in this situation, after the guy was thrown out of the car and you got there and got out of your car, whats the first thing you would do?
What you should do is pull your pistol and point it at the perp and slowly move in on him to make sure he isnt faking it, and if he is, when he makes a more, you will put one betweenn his eyes, right?
well ask yourself this now, did you see any of the 5 thugs (cops) that ran to him just to stomp on him have their sidearm drawn? NO because they clearly saw that he was face down and just wanted to beat on his ass! not a single pistol drawn, hmmmm.
I would have understood if they all pulled their pistols on the guy while they slowly moved in, then one cop jumped on the perp and put his knee into the guys back to make sure he cant move while the other cop cuffec the perp, but all they did is jump on him and beat the crap out of him without thinking,and in the end the perp was still without cuffs. But hey, who needs cuffs, not like they did anything els by the book. </div></div>
What do you do for a living?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And one more thing, watch the video again, now ask yourself this, if you were in this situation, after the guy was thrown out of the car and you got there and got out of your car, whats the first thing you would do?
What you should do is pull your pistol and point it at the perp and slowly move in on him to make sure he isnt faking it, and if he is, when he makes a more, you will put one betweenn his eyes, right?
well ask yourself this now, did you see any of the 5 thugs (cops) that ran to him just to stomp on him have their sidearm drawn? NO because they clearly saw that he was face down and just wanted to beat on his ass! not a single pistol drawn, hmmmm.
I would have understood if they all pulled their pistols on the guy while they slowly moved in, then one cop jumped on the perp and put his knee into the guys back to make sure he cant move while the other cop cuffec the perp, but all they did is jump on him and beat the crap out of him without thinking,and in the end the perp was still without cuffs. But hey, who needs cuffs, not like they did anything els by the book. </div></div>
What do you do for a living?
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After seeing that guy almost run over one of my buddies, and driving like a maniac I probably would have thrown in a couple punches too. The adrenaline of a chase and situation like that gets you going a thousand miles an hour. You never know how you will handle that until you are in that kind of situation. Were the cops a little too aggressive at first, maybe. But when a couple seconds passed and they realized the guy was unconcious they stopped. I see no reason for any kind of action to be taken against the officers involved. Just my opinion, rost me if you want
After seeing that guy almost run over one of my buddies, and driving like a maniac I probably would have thrown in a couple punches too. The adrenaline of a chase and situation like that gets you going a thousand miles an hour. You never know how you will handle that until you are in that kind of situation. Were the cops a little too aggressive at first, maybe. But when a couple seconds passed and they realized the guy was unconcious they stopped. I see no reason for any kind of action to be taken against the officers involved. Just my opinion, rost me if you want
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And that matters why? Just because Im not a cop means exactly what? </div></div>
I'm curious what it is you do for a living. Has nothing to do with you NOT being a cop. So, what do you do for a living?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And that matters why? Just because Im not a cop means exactly what? </div></div>
I'm curious what it is you do for a living. Has nothing to do with you NOT being a cop. So, what do you do for a living?
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What if the guy was seriously injured and the beating killed him? or what if he was alreay dead? you seriously see nothing wrong with what they did? It was reveng plain and simple!
If they thought he was still a threat, they shoould have approached him with their pistols drawn! Not give him a gand style beatdown.
what ever happened to inocent until proven guilty? what if he was a mentally ill person that didnt know any better? still ok?
What if the guy was seriously injured and the beating killed him? or what if he was alreay dead? you seriously see nothing wrong with what they did? It was reveng plain and simple!
If they thought he was still a threat, they shoould have approached him with their pistols drawn! Not give him a gand style beatdown.
what ever happened to inocent until proven guilty? what if he was a mentally ill person that didnt know any better? still ok?
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I worked for DirecTV as a field supervisor for 8+ years. And now Im between jobs. How does this matter?
I worked for DirecTV as a field supervisor for 8+ years. And now Im between jobs. How does this matter?
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"What if, what if, what if"
What if you just shut your fucking mouth and stop giving your opinion on shit you know nothing about. I'm sure that in your profession (if you have one) no one comes to you from the outside to tell you how to do your job. What makes you think that you know better than the guys on scene?
Better yet, since you seem to know HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE then why don't you just become the master trainer for all police agencies nationwide.
Wonder how some of you would feel if you or one of your kids was the victim of one of this animals crimes. I'm sure many here would pay to exact some sort of revenge.
"What if, what if, what if"
What if you just shut your fucking mouth and stop giving your opinion on shit you know nothing about. I'm sure that in your profession (if you have one) no one comes to you from the outside to tell you how to do your job. What makes you think that you know better than the guys on scene?
Better yet, since you seem to know HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE then why don't you just become the master trainer for all police agencies nationwide.
Wonder how some of you would feel if you or one of your kids was the victim of one of this animals crimes. I'm sure many here would pay to exact some sort of revenge.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And that matters why? Just because Im not a cop means exactly what? </div></div>
It means you don't have the first fucking clue about the matter at hand. You should seek a position somewhere running your suck, you're quite talented in that regard.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And that matters why? Just because Im not a cop means exactly what? </div></div>
It means you don't have the first fucking clue about the matter at hand. You should seek a position somewhere running your suck, you're quite talented in that regard.
