Super lightweight .308 match / multipurpose build?

[RogerCapiche]

Any thoughts on one? Tactical sniper matches, that is. I was thinking Proof Research barrel (18", probably), Manners folding stock (with their elite tactical shell), Surgeon short action and bottom metal, Timney trigger, Atlas bipod, and probably a Leupold optic.

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[banditbump]

Lightweight and match are almost mutually exclusive. That stock is 4-5 lbs. Barrel would be 3-4, same with action . Add 2 to 3 lbs for the scope. Bottom metal, ammo and magazine is at least another lbs. So your lightweight ends up a minimum of 13 lbs. If I were u, u could lose 2 lbs with a tactical manners stock that don't fold. If u r gonna compete at long range matches don't lose a few ounces by going with a short barrel. I would get a super premium barrel going down to .750 at muzzle and 24 inches, fluted obviously. Even longer if your match rules allow it. I would also consider it in 260 or 243 over 308, better trajectory and less recoil. All Imo and just my two cents. Best of luck.

 

[Drifter™]

That stock is 4-5 lbs. Barrel would be 3-4...

A PR carbon-wrapped 18" barrel is likely not that heavy. And that particular Manners stock weighs only 2.5 lbs:

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...11-manners-new-elite-2-5lb-folding-stock.html


RogerCapiche- What type of distances are you shooting?

 

[banditbump]

Sorry I went to the manners website before I posted. I thought the folding match was in that range, they had lighter stocks on the tactical section as you mention. If I were the op I would first check the caliber and barrel length the winners of the competition are using. I would build around that. You can go lighter profile barrel or carbon. Lighter profile is a lot cheaper and not much heavier than carbon. Then try to save weight everywhere else Imo the barrel isn't the place to shed weight by shortening it. A lightweight 308 is a blast to carry around, not so much to shoot all day but that depends on your Def of lightweight. I think it's a neat idea my two cents would be full length barrel just thin and or fluted along with a flatter trajectory and less kicking cartridge in 243 or 260. Then to save further weight you ask questions like does the stock need to be folding. What's the lightest scope that I think can win this event....

 

[RogerCapiche]

None so far, unfortunately. The Netherlands aren't very gun-friendly. S'why I'm planning on moving to America as soon as I can, but I already have a few rifle ideas, just asking for input on one

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[RogerCapiche]

Lightweight and match are almost mutually exclusive. That stock is 4-5 lbs. Barrel would be 3-4, same with action . Add 2 to 3 lbs for the scope. Bottom metal, ammo and magazine is at least another lbs. So your lightweight ends up a minimum of 13 lbs. If I were u, u could lose 2 lbs with a tactical manners stock that don't fold. If u r gonna compete at long range matches don't lose a few ounces by going with a short barrel. I would get a super premium barrel going down to .750 at muzzle and 24 inches, fluted obviously. Even longer if your match rules allow it. I would also consider it in 260 or 243 over 308, better trajectory and less recoil. All Imo and just my two cents. Best of luck.

I'm aware of barrel rigidity and weight, but I thought a PR barrel might be a good compromise, at least.
And I know quite a few matches only allow military calibers, so that's why I picked .308. Otherwise I'd probably pick a 6.5mm, probably either Creedmore or 6.5x47 Lapua. And I already have ideas for longer ranged rifles, but those are going to be heavier.

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[Pusher591]

Manners T6A in carbon layup
Medium Palma Proof Research barrel at 22"
Leupold Mk6


That would be your main components for a lightweight build and those are the lightest I can think of that offer what you are probably looking for. If you using the components above I would be surprised if the build would surpass 11.5-12lbs with optic mounted and loaded mag.

 

[Hawk45]

For a minimal investment, I'd say grab a Tikka T3 Lite for a season of matches and see how you like the weight and dynamics of the gun (barrel heat, impact shifts, recoil, handling, balance). In essence you are building a short barreled sporting/hunting rifle. You may want to ask yourself why others aren't using these setups as well. But I'm all for building what you want if you really want it.

 

[RogerCapiche]

Manners T6A in carbon layup
Medium Palma Proof Research barrel at 22"
Leupold Mk6


That would be your main components for a lightweight build and those are the lightest I can think of that offer what you are probably looking for. If you using the components above I would be surprised if the build would surpass 11.5-12lbs with optic mounted and loaded mag.

Seems good, I think. Maybe add a titanium action or something. I would like a TF1 or something with it, but I think a T6 would do well.

For a minimal investment, I'd say grab a Tikka T3 Lite for a season of matches and see how you like the weight and dynamics of the gun (barrel heat, impact shifts, recoil, handling, balance). In essence you are building a short barreled sporting/hunting rifle. You may want to ask yourself why others aren't using these setups as well. But I'm all for building what you want if you really want it.

Sounds fair enough. I just like the idea of going lightweight, really

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[TorF]

From Holland?

Get a Sauer 202 Synchro Compact XT with aluminium receiver, 2 stage matchtrigger (special order), semiweight barrel 19mm/51cm/20" barrel like this:

Weight is 3.6kg/app 7ibs and drop in barrels are alvailable in most std cartriges like 6.5x55, 308, 30-06, 270 and my favourite 7x64. 3, 5, and 8 round mags. EAW make 20moa picrail.

 

[RogerCapiche]

From Holland?

Get a Sauer 202 Synchro Compact XT with aluminium receiver, 2 stage matchtrigger (special order), semiweight barrel 19mm/51cm/20" barrel like this:

Weight is 3.6kg/app 7ibs and drop in barrels are alvailable in most std cartriges like 6.5x55, 308, 30-06, 270 and my favourite 7x64. 3, 5, and 8 round mags. EAW make 20moa picrail.

Yes I am, though I'm probably moving to America before I get into any longer ranged shooting (the practical limit here is about 300 meters, and that's usually for benchrest).

But that rifle does seem nice. If I do get into any longer ranged stuff here, I may have to look at one in 7x64 (pretty sure that's fairly common here).

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[vtb]

We can make carbon fiber tac stock for your build with adjustable cheekpiece inside 39 oz

And we can make fixed cheekpiece stock inside 30 oz:

 

[RogerCapiche]

We can make carbon fiber tac stock for your build with adjustable cheekpiece inside 39 oz

And we can make fixed cheekpiece stock inside 30 oz:

That's pretty light! I like it!
And they look great! I think you'll have a customer whenever I can start building my rifle

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[banditbump]

As others have said getting a similar off the shelf rifle would make alot of sense. A light varmint or tactical rifle from tikka, remington, or savage would give you a close proximity of what the rifle you want to build will be like at 4 or 5 times cheaper. You could get your high dollar scope for the custom build and get used to it on the stock rifle. You could use that stock rifle as you are building your lightweight competition gun. When the custom gun is finished you could sell the stock light varmint or tactical rifle and get 80% of your investment back. On a 1k rifle you basically get to rent it for a year or so while the custom is built for 200 bucks. That stock rifle can help you decide on what wieght, barrel length, and caliber you will want on the custom. Your only real downside you might have is that the stock gun shoots so well you delay or stop the custom build or when the custom is done you just might want to keep it as a good backup or hunting rifle. They make the light varmint and compact tactical stock rifles in 223 243 260 6.5 Creedmoor as well as 308. I saw the barrel maker you mention offer many barrels at 26 to 28 inches. Get the longest barrel they offer in the caliber you want. You can always shorten a barrel but you can't ever lengthen one, that said the difference between a 20 inch 308 and a 24 is only 100 fps or so.

 

[bkw1911]

I just got a manners t6a elite carbon, tikka t3, benchmark fluted rem varmint and a leupold mk6 in 6.5x47. Should be fairly light for a match rifle and still fully capable. It'll be done in a couple weeks. I'll let you know the end weight and how it is in a match.

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[Hunt4life]

I would just buy two different rigs. I think the carbon wrapped barrels just insulate the heat back to an already thinner barrel. A thin contoured hunting rifle is all anyone needs to shoot once or twice on occasion. While long range rigs that are shot a lot need a thick barrel.

 

[RogerCapiche]

As others have said getting a similar off the shelf rifle would make alot of sense. A light varmint or tactical rifle from tikka, remington, or savage would give you a close proximity of what the rifle you want to build will be like at 4 or 5 times cheaper. You could get your high dollar scope for the custom build and get used to it on the stock rifle. You could use that stock rifle as you are building your lightweight competition gun. When the custom gun is finished you could sell the stock light varmint or tactical rifle and get 80% of your investment back. On a 1k rifle you basically get to rent it for a year or so while the custom is built for 200 bucks. That stock rifle can help you decide on what wieght, barrel length, and caliber you will want on the custom. Your only real downside you might have is that the stock gun shoots so well you delay or stop the custom build or when the custom is done you just might want to keep it as a good backup or hunting rifle. They make the light varmint and compact tactical stock rifles in 223 243 260 6.5 Creedmoor as well as 308. I saw the barrel maker you mention offer many barrels at 26 to 28 inches. Get the longest barrel they offer in the caliber you want. You can always shorten a barrel but you can't ever lengthen one, that said the difference between a 20 inch 308 and a 24 is only 100 fps or so.

The only reason I'd go .308 is the limitations by some matches to use military calibers, otherwise I probably would go 6.5 CM or 6.5x47 Lapua. But I guess I'll get a Tikka T3 first, then. From what I've read, I'll probably just keep using that Some of their rifles at least come in .260, so I think I'll use that. Maybe change the stock if it bothers me, possibly change the bottom metal.

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[RogerCapiche]

I just got a manners t6a elite carbon, tikka t3, benchmark fluted rem varmint and a leupold mk6 in 6.5x47. Should be fairly light for a match rifle and still fully capable. It'll be done in a couple weeks. I'll let you know the end weight and how it is in a match.

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Sounds awesome! Thanks

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[RogerCapiche]

I would just buy two different rigs. I think the carbon wrapped barrels just insulate the heat back to an already thinner barrel. A thin contoured hunting rifle is all anyone needs to shoot once or twice on occasion. While long range rigs that are shot a lot need a thick barrel.

PR barrels do not, or at least not as far as I know, trap heat, since they're built differently.
But I would probably get several rifles anyway, one more won't hurt

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