Im looking to build a .30 cal rifle for hunting and plinking etc. Has anyone ever used a 30 Herrett? Also does anyone have any suggestions for a rifle? Im really not looking for a 308 Winchester. Looking for something on a smaller scale, preferably that I can put on a Contender/Encore frame with a 16-18" barrel and still perform.
Suppressors suppressed .30 caliber
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Re: suppressed .30 caliber
I would suggest the 300 whisper. It is nearly as powerful as the 7.62x39 and the 30-30 with 125 grain bullets. With 220-240 grain bullets it is effective on animals up to small deer out to 200 yards according to what I have read. I have it chambered in the contender and the AR-15, works great in both.
Ranb
I would suggest the 300 whisper. It is nearly as powerful as the 7.62x39 and the 30-30 with 125 grain bullets. With 220-240 grain bullets it is effective on animals up to small deer out to 200 yards according to what I have read. I have it chambered in the contender and the AR-15, works great in both.
Ranb
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
The 30 Herret is a 44mag necked down to 30 cal I think. Hodgdon's website has data for it.
If you want a dedicated quiet rig the the 300 Whisper is probably the most expensive route to go. You can do a little experimenting and make the 30-30 work dandy with it.
You can take an existing 30-30 Encore and run it with just a can/thread job.
The 30-30 AI will get you closer to a 308 ballistically but with easy brass, an easy 'smith job, and something that will feed fine too.
Or, if you aren't married to 30 caliber, you can shoot bit heavy bullets in a 44mag rifle, it will still run suppressed and hit like a M'F'ing tank. A 44mag throwing 350gr pills subsonically will trump a 240gr bullet from a 300 whisper. If you get off the shelf factory ammo you can shoot the 44mag supersonic ammo from a rifle at about 2100 fps (At least, my dad's 18" barreled 44mag ammo runs that fast with WWB 240gr flat points)
That puts you ballistically superior to any of the mentioned rifle calibers that were mentioned (out to about 250yd). You can also shoot a standard twist barrel instead of having to get a 1:8 twist tube for a 30 cal, which will add some extra money to that build.
The 30 Herret is a 44mag necked down to 30 cal I think. Hodgdon's website has data for it.
If you want a dedicated quiet rig the the 300 Whisper is probably the most expensive route to go. You can do a little experimenting and make the 30-30 work dandy with it.
You can take an existing 30-30 Encore and run it with just a can/thread job.
The 30-30 AI will get you closer to a 308 ballistically but with easy brass, an easy 'smith job, and something that will feed fine too.
Or, if you aren't married to 30 caliber, you can shoot bit heavy bullets in a 44mag rifle, it will still run suppressed and hit like a M'F'ing tank. A 44mag throwing 350gr pills subsonically will trump a 240gr bullet from a 300 whisper. If you get off the shelf factory ammo you can shoot the 44mag supersonic ammo from a rifle at about 2100 fps (At least, my dad's 18" barreled 44mag ammo runs that fast with WWB 240gr flat points)
That puts you ballistically superior to any of the mentioned rifle calibers that were mentioned (out to about 250yd). You can also shoot a standard twist barrel instead of having to get a 1:8 twist tube for a 30 cal, which will add some extra money to that build.
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
I am working on a contender in subsonic 44 mag. I do not think I will be able to match the accuracy of the 300 whisper.
Ranb
I am working on a contender in subsonic 44 mag. I do not think I will be able to match the accuracy of the 300 whisper.
Ranb
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
The Whisper allows usage of everything from 110 grain vmax to 240 Sierra and 250 grn Hawk...more accurate and more versatile than the 44 mag ....here is a pic of my 8 yr old with an SBR'd Whisper....
The Whisper allows usage of everything from 110 grain vmax to 240 Sierra and 250 grn Hawk...more accurate and more versatile than the 44 mag ....here is a pic of my 8 yr old with an SBR'd Whisper....
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am working on a contender in subsonic 44 mag. I do not think I will be able to match the accuracy of the 300 whisper.
Ranb </div></div>
The 44 should easily hold MOA groups and at the true viable ranges of either round that's kill shots on anything, including a groundhog.
I guess I'm missing the point of your statement, when I look at a suppressed application with subsonic ammo I'm trying to do something quietly and lethally. Having 1/4MOA accuracy (which is a feat with subsonic rounds of any kind) is less important to me than making sure it hits hard while still being silent.
In a hunting application out to 250y I don't see a difference for if you shoot a deer within a .75 or 1 MOA circle, the vital zones are all larger than that.
There's a difference between absolute achievable accuracy and the accuracy necessary to get the job done each time.
Can you explain to me the goal of potentially obtainable accuracy for degraded ballistic performance when the already obtainable accuracy from the 44mag is more than enough to complete the job?
You can also shoot 180gr XTP's to 460gr cast from the 44mag at the same velocities you'll get from the entire range of the 110's-240's in the 300 Whisper.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am working on a contender in subsonic 44 mag. I do not think I will be able to match the accuracy of the 300 whisper.
Ranb </div></div>
The 44 should easily hold MOA groups and at the true viable ranges of either round that's kill shots on anything, including a groundhog.
I guess I'm missing the point of your statement, when I look at a suppressed application with subsonic ammo I'm trying to do something quietly and lethally. Having 1/4MOA accuracy (which is a feat with subsonic rounds of any kind) is less important to me than making sure it hits hard while still being silent.
In a hunting application out to 250y I don't see a difference for if you shoot a deer within a .75 or 1 MOA circle, the vital zones are all larger than that.
There's a difference between absolute achievable accuracy and the accuracy necessary to get the job done each time.
Can you explain to me the goal of potentially obtainable accuracy for degraded ballistic performance when the already obtainable accuracy from the 44mag is more than enough to complete the job?
You can also shoot 180gr XTP's to 460gr cast from the 44mag at the same velocities you'll get from the entire range of the 110's-240's in the 300 Whisper.
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 44 should easily hold MOA groups and at the true viable ranges of either round that's kill shots on anything, including a groundhog.
I guess I'm missing the point of your statement, when I look at a suppressed application with subsonic ammo I'm trying to do something quietly and lethally. Having 1/4MOA accuracy (which is a feat with subsonic rounds of any kind) is less important to me than making sure it hits hard while still being silent.
In a hunting application out to 250y I don't see a difference for if you shoot a deer within a .75 or 1 MOA circle, the vital zones are all larger than that.
There's a difference between absolute achievable accuracy and the accuracy necessary to get the job done each time.
Can you explain to me the goal of potentially obtainable accuracy for degraded ballistic performance when the already obtainable accuracy from the 44mag is more than enough to complete the job?
You can also shoot 180gr XTP's to 460gr cast from the 44mag at the same velocities you'll get from the entire range of the 110's-240's in the 300 Whisper. </div></div>
I agree with you. I was only saying that my 300 whisper is more accurate than my 44 mag. I think I will have to settle for 2-3 moa when using heavy cast bullets in the 44 mag unless I upgrade from a 1-22 twist to something faster like 1-16. But even a 3 moa rifle will work on a deer out to 200 yards which is about the longest I will take with subsonic as my range estimation skills are not good neough for anything farther unless I am using a range finder.
Ranb
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 44 should easily hold MOA groups and at the true viable ranges of either round that's kill shots on anything, including a groundhog.
I guess I'm missing the point of your statement, when I look at a suppressed application with subsonic ammo I'm trying to do something quietly and lethally. Having 1/4MOA accuracy (which is a feat with subsonic rounds of any kind) is less important to me than making sure it hits hard while still being silent.
In a hunting application out to 250y I don't see a difference for if you shoot a deer within a .75 or 1 MOA circle, the vital zones are all larger than that.
There's a difference between absolute achievable accuracy and the accuracy necessary to get the job done each time.
Can you explain to me the goal of potentially obtainable accuracy for degraded ballistic performance when the already obtainable accuracy from the 44mag is more than enough to complete the job?
You can also shoot 180gr XTP's to 460gr cast from the 44mag at the same velocities you'll get from the entire range of the 110's-240's in the 300 Whisper. </div></div>
I agree with you. I was only saying that my 300 whisper is more accurate than my 44 mag. I think I will have to settle for 2-3 moa when using heavy cast bullets in the 44 mag unless I upgrade from a 1-22 twist to something faster like 1-16. But even a 3 moa rifle will work on a deer out to 200 yards which is about the longest I will take with subsonic as my range estimation skills are not good neough for anything farther unless I am using a range finder.
Ranb
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I have in the past hunted with a 44 Mag and a 45LC with heavy hardcast LBT style bullets,and I agree about hitting hard. They are definetly thumpers. I was shooting some 310 and 350grs out of a 454 Casull also. But they were way supersonic, like 2100fps out of a 12" pistol. I just didnt see anyone advertising that they had suppressors in the 44Mag. range of capability. I think a Contender carbine with a 16" barrel would be very nice. And then just the same I can send a 310gr hard cast downrange probably in the 1600fps if necessary.
I have in the past hunted with a 44 Mag and a 45LC with heavy hardcast LBT style bullets,and I agree about hitting hard. They are definetly thumpers. I was shooting some 310 and 350grs out of a 454 Casull also. But they were way supersonic, like 2100fps out of a 12" pistol. I just didnt see anyone advertising that they had suppressors in the 44Mag. range of capability. I think a Contender carbine with a 16" barrel would be very nice. And then just the same I can send a 310gr hard cast downrange probably in the 1600fps if necessary.
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rookie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't see anything in the OP about wanting to be subsonic or suppressed. </div></div>
Subject : suppressed .30 caliber
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rookie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't see anything in the OP about wanting to be subsonic or suppressed. </div></div>
Subject : suppressed .30 caliber
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
Alright. Here is what I know.
If you want to kill stuff at subsonic velocities you need a projectile that will expand at subsonic velocities. If it first expands, you then need a projectile with a really good accuracy potential. Shooting non expanding projectiles, a larger diameter, larger grain weight projectile is king. But the non expanding projectile realm is the land of SUCK. Non expanding projectiles at subsonic speeds kill like mean words. Maybe if you're lucky...
The .300 Whisper, .223 subonsonic, .308 subsonic all are POOR performers with non custom projectiles. Custom projectiles cost a LOT. <span style="font-weight: bold">Shooting an animal with one of these makes you a douche bag.</span> Raise your hand if you're guilty and I'll tell you to your face. Anyone who wishes to test this theory is welcome to come visit. We've done the testing with back up shooters for a solid kill shot when the first one fails. I've seen feral cats shot 2X with a .300 whisper try to run off. While only good hits count, there are rounds that do not perform. These all fall into that category. Like shooting animals with green tip and other penetrator rounds, except with non of the hydrostatic shock.
.44 Mag, .50AE, 9mm, and .45acp are all better choices. I'm using a 45acp that is MOA at 100yds right now throwing Hornady's 230gr XTP's. Kills like thors hammer. I find the 230gr 45acp's perform better than the 147gr 9mm stuff. As you move past the .230gr 45acp sweet spot you start dealing with more bullet drop. Talk to JD Jones and he will tell you to go 45ACP if you need the accuracy and .44mag if you are shooting hogs. Apparently only hogs benefit for the higher grain weight because of their body mass. 45ACP has less drop than the 44mag. And I'm using the same loads in my sidearm.
Chamberings like the .338 Spectre are KING because you can push 300gr projectiles with an INCREDIBLE BC. The better the BC the less the drop. It's just that simple. The downside being the expanding rounds cost a LOT, like mentioned earlier.
I don't hate paper. I don't shoot it. Don't care to. Only shoot it when zeroing or trying to win money.
Alright. Here is what I know.
If you want to kill stuff at subsonic velocities you need a projectile that will expand at subsonic velocities. If it first expands, you then need a projectile with a really good accuracy potential. Shooting non expanding projectiles, a larger diameter, larger grain weight projectile is king. But the non expanding projectile realm is the land of SUCK. Non expanding projectiles at subsonic speeds kill like mean words. Maybe if you're lucky...
The .300 Whisper, .223 subonsonic, .308 subsonic all are POOR performers with non custom projectiles. Custom projectiles cost a LOT. <span style="font-weight: bold">Shooting an animal with one of these makes you a douche bag.</span> Raise your hand if you're guilty and I'll tell you to your face. Anyone who wishes to test this theory is welcome to come visit. We've done the testing with back up shooters for a solid kill shot when the first one fails. I've seen feral cats shot 2X with a .300 whisper try to run off. While only good hits count, there are rounds that do not perform. These all fall into that category. Like shooting animals with green tip and other penetrator rounds, except with non of the hydrostatic shock.
.44 Mag, .50AE, 9mm, and .45acp are all better choices. I'm using a 45acp that is MOA at 100yds right now throwing Hornady's 230gr XTP's. Kills like thors hammer. I find the 230gr 45acp's perform better than the 147gr 9mm stuff. As you move past the .230gr 45acp sweet spot you start dealing with more bullet drop. Talk to JD Jones and he will tell you to go 45ACP if you need the accuracy and .44mag if you are shooting hogs. Apparently only hogs benefit for the higher grain weight because of their body mass. 45ACP has less drop than the 44mag. And I'm using the same loads in my sidearm.
Chamberings like the .338 Spectre are KING because you can push 300gr projectiles with an INCREDIBLE BC. The better the BC the less the drop. It's just that simple. The downside being the expanding rounds cost a LOT, like mentioned earlier.
I don't hate paper. I don't shoot it. Don't care to. Only shoot it when zeroing or trying to win money.
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
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If you are going to build a CONTENDER or an ENCORE, get your barrel from MATCH GRADE MACHINE.
Tell Chelsie that I sent you. I'm told there will be a discount.
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Re: suppressed .30 caliber
Bachelor Jack, I am not planning on shooting 200yds with this thing. Im looking for 50-100 yds max. And Ihave personally shot game with the LBT style,"non-expanding" bullets. These things punch straight through both sides. With the impact velocities at the subsonic levels the meat damage is minimal. But also I go for shoulder shots. Crush the bone and they cant move.
Bachelor Jack, I am not planning on shooting 200yds with this thing. Im looking for 50-100 yds max. And Ihave personally shot game with the LBT style,"non-expanding" bullets. These things punch straight through both sides. With the impact velocities at the subsonic levels the meat damage is minimal. But also I go for shoulder shots. Crush the bone and they cant move.
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
The .300 Whisper, .223 subonsonic, .308 subsonic all are POOR performers with non custom projectiles. Custom projectiles cost a LOT. Shooting an animal with one of these makes you a douche bag.
dont hold back...tell all how you really think....
The .300 Whisper, .223 subonsonic, .308 subsonic all are POOR performers with non custom projectiles. Custom projectiles cost a LOT. Shooting an animal with one of these makes you a douche bag.
dont hold back...tell all how you really think....
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
My douche bag ass had better tell a bunch of dead cow elk to get up and run off into the woods cuz Jack says they aint even hurt.
While I'll freely admit to being a DB, its not because I hunt or dont hunt with a 300 Whisper, a 338 W, a 458 SOCOM, 50 EBG or 510 w.
Really nice 'Tender Tom!
My douche bag ass had better tell a bunch of dead cow elk to get up and run off into the woods cuz Jack says they aint even hurt.
While I'll freely admit to being a DB, its not because I hunt or dont hunt with a 300 Whisper, a 338 W, a 458 SOCOM, 50 EBG or 510 w.
Really nice 'Tender Tom!
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AKA-Spook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My douche bag ass had better tell a bunch of dead cow elk to get up and run off into the woods cuz Jack says they aint even hurt.
While I'll freely admit to being a DB, its not because I hunt or dont hunt with a 300 Whisper, a 338 W, a 458 SOCOM, 50 EBG or 510 w.</div></div>
Everyone I have talked to or actually know who started hunting with a subsonic .308 or .300 whisper has moved on to more effective cartridges. Every single one of them. But these people hunt smaller animals with smaller vital zones, like whitetails and feral dogs. These animals have vital zones much smaller than those Elk's you mentioned. How big is a Cow Elk's vital zone measured in good old fashioned feet? I'm guessing a miscalculation in drop of a few inches either way wouldn't be a big deal. The reason we all have retired these chamberings is the same. Eventually they will result in run offs and injuries instead of successful extermination. A wounded bleeding animal running through a suburban area is generally verboten.
I don't make and then sell .300 whisper or other type guns for profit...like you do Spook. If maybe my finances were linked to people purchasing these platforms I might be more inclined to endorse these calibers for hunting........
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AKA-Spook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My douche bag ass had better tell a bunch of dead cow elk to get up and run off into the woods cuz Jack says they aint even hurt.
While I'll freely admit to being a DB, its not because I hunt or dont hunt with a 300 Whisper, a 338 W, a 458 SOCOM, 50 EBG or 510 w.</div></div>
Everyone I have talked to or actually know who started hunting with a subsonic .308 or .300 whisper has moved on to more effective cartridges. Every single one of them. But these people hunt smaller animals with smaller vital zones, like whitetails and feral dogs. These animals have vital zones much smaller than those Elk's you mentioned. How big is a Cow Elk's vital zone measured in good old fashioned feet? I'm guessing a miscalculation in drop of a few inches either way wouldn't be a big deal. The reason we all have retired these chamberings is the same. Eventually they will result in run offs and injuries instead of successful extermination. A wounded bleeding animal running through a suburban area is generally verboten.
I don't make and then sell .300 whisper or other type guns for profit...like you do Spook. If maybe my finances were linked to people purchasing these platforms I might be more inclined to endorse these calibers for hunting........
Re: suppressed .30 caliber
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BachelorJack</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AKA-Spook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My douche bag ass had better tell a bunch of dead cow elk to get up and run off into the woods cuz Jack says they aint even hurt.
While I'll freely admit to being a DB, its not because I hunt or dont hunt with a 300 Whisper, a 338 W, a 458 SOCOM, 50 EBG or 510 w.</div></div>
Everyone I have talked to or actually know who started hunting with a subsonic .308 or .300 whisper has moved on to more effective cartridges. Every single one of them. But these people hunt smaller animals with smaller vital zones, like whitetails and feral dogs. These animals have vital zones much smaller than those Elk's you mentioned. How big is a Cow Elk's vital zone measured in good old fashioned feet? I'm guessing a miscalculation in drop of a few inches either way wouldn't be a big deal. The reason we all have retired these chamberings is the same. Eventually they will result in run offs and injuries instead of successful extermination. A wounded bleeding animal running through a suburban area is generally verboten.
I don't make and then sell .300 whisper or other type guns for profit...like you do Spook. If maybe my finances were linked to people purchasing these platforms I might be more inclined to endorse these calibers for hunting........ </div></div>
Bigger bullets doesn't makeup for poor marksmanship... I aggree that the centerfire 223 subsonic experiment is a waste and my experiance is that the 22 LR is the best of the 22 class in subsonics. The 300 Whisper with 240 SMK is my prefered medicine for deer culling out to 100 yards.
Your right I'm a DB but not because you said so.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BachelorJack</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AKA-Spook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My douche bag ass had better tell a bunch of dead cow elk to get up and run off into the woods cuz Jack says they aint even hurt.
While I'll freely admit to being a DB, its not because I hunt or dont hunt with a 300 Whisper, a 338 W, a 458 SOCOM, 50 EBG or 510 w.</div></div>
Everyone I have talked to or actually know who started hunting with a subsonic .308 or .300 whisper has moved on to more effective cartridges. Every single one of them. But these people hunt smaller animals with smaller vital zones, like whitetails and feral dogs. These animals have vital zones much smaller than those Elk's you mentioned. How big is a Cow Elk's vital zone measured in good old fashioned feet? I'm guessing a miscalculation in drop of a few inches either way wouldn't be a big deal. The reason we all have retired these chamberings is the same. Eventually they will result in run offs and injuries instead of successful extermination. A wounded bleeding animal running through a suburban area is generally verboten.
I don't make and then sell .300 whisper or other type guns for profit...like you do Spook. If maybe my finances were linked to people purchasing these platforms I might be more inclined to endorse these calibers for hunting........ </div></div>
Bigger bullets doesn't makeup for poor marksmanship... I aggree that the centerfire 223 subsonic experiment is a waste and my experiance is that the 22 LR is the best of the 22 class in subsonics. The 300 Whisper with 240 SMK is my prefered medicine for deer culling out to 100 yards.
Your right I'm a DB but not because you said so.
The 30 Herrett in the contender is golden and versatile.
In the AR it uses the 6.8 Rem brass necked up to 308.
I prefer the use of a rim in a break-action.
No suppressor, but a vented extension or brake, shoots like a dream.
In the AR it uses the 6.8 Rem brass necked up to 308.
I prefer the use of a rim in a break-action.
No suppressor, but a vented extension or brake, shoots like a dream.
Then maybe by now ya'll have figured out that the 30 Herrett has nothing to do with the 44 mag.
The 30 Herrett (rimless) has become quite popular with AR shooters.
Contenders are immortal, like zombies.
The 30 Herrett (rimless) has become quite popular with AR shooters.
Contenders are immortal, like zombies.
