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    few questions. For those that own a suppressed AK would like to ask:

    1. Are the PSA American made AKs concentric enough with quality threads/barrel shoulder good enough to mount a brake and suppressor?

    2. Is it even worth supress an AK. I’ve read they “don’t supress well” and even aren’t hearing safe. Does this echo your personal experience?

    3. Does it cause additional wear and tear beyond what would be acceptable?

    4. Any reliability concerns on ejection and feeding?

    5. What can are you using? I plan to use silencerco but see they don’t sell m14x1 brakes…perhaps because they didn’t want to warranty this gun in particular.

    My plan would be to use either a 36m or hybrid 46. The thought is the larger bore size would minimize risk of baffle strikes which any concentricity issues. Obviously it won’t suppress quite as well but as long as it’s hearing sage i don’t care.
     

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    I would only run a suppressor that can be disassembled for cleaning due to how dirty/corrosive import Steelcase powder can be
     
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    few questions. For those that own a suppressed AK would like to ask:

    1. Are the PSA American made AKs concentric enough with quality threads/barrel shoulder good enough to mount a brake and suppressor?

    2. Is it even worth supress an AK. I’ve read they “don’t supress well” and even aren’t hearing safe. Does this echo your personal experience?

    3. Does it cause additional wear and tear beyond what would be acceptable?

    4. Any reliability concerns on ejection and feeding?

    5. What can are you using? I plan to use silencerco but see they don’t sell m14x1 brakes…perhaps because they didn’t want to warranty this gun in particular.

    My plan would be to use either a 36m or hybrid 46. The thought is the larger bore size would minimize risk of baffle strikes which any concentricity issues. Obviously it won’t suppress quite as well but as long as it’s hearing sage i don’t care.

    1 - no problems with my PSA ask threads, a nomad, and jmac keymo brake. The shims are a face mount vs shoulder mount so they're kind of a pain in the ass to install.

    2 - I shoot all my other shit with just the can and no ear pro. I wear ear pro with the AK. It's loud, and that's with the extra volume of the nomad.

    3 - I don't think so. I also have a kns adjustable piston to slow everything down with the added back pressure. Its usually suggested and a good idea.

    4 - no problemo. Mostly shoot tula.

    5 - I'm a one can man while I wait on my others to be free, so the nomad it is. Dead air makes the wolverine that's designed for AKs though....
     

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    I just got my form4 SLR107UR and Wolverine approved. The Arsenal is a 24mm x 1.5 thread pitch, and my Wolverine didn’t come with the 24mm locking collar. So I found the only one on gun broker and bought it, waiting for it to show up. Also just ordered the KNS piston to try out as well. Will report back once all my parts show up and can hit the range
     

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    I don't know the answer to any of your questions but like one of the posters above mentioned their are adjustable pistons these days and from what i hear is that they are pretty good
     

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    I have a PSAKP. I use the griffin thread adapter for my Rex MG7K, and a KNS piston. I have tried subs, but I imagine they’d be hearing safe. No issues and I really enjoy shooting it suppressed, way more pleasant than without it.
     

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    few questions. For those that own a suppressed AK would like to ask:

    1. Are the PSA American made AKs concentric enough with quality threads/barrel shoulder good enough to mount a brake and suppressor?

    2. Is it even worth supress an AK. I’ve read they “don’t supress well” and even aren’t hearing safe. Does this echo your personal experience?

    3. Does it cause additional wear and tear beyond what would be acceptable?

    4. Any reliability concerns on ejection and feeding?

    5. What can are you using? I plan to use silencerco but see they don’t sell m14x1 brakes…perhaps because they didn’t want to warranty this gun in particular.

    My plan would be to use either a 36m or hybrid 46. The thought is the larger bore size would minimize risk of baffle strikes which any concentricity issues. Obviously it won’t suppress quite as well but as long as it’s hearing sage i don’t care.
    1) yes, considerably better than most of the imported parts AKs
    2) I’m a poor judge of the question as my hearing is more sensitive than most, but in my experience they’re fine and certainly not terrible.
    3) nothing observable, so far my friend has put about 5k rounds through his wolverine from both an arsenal 5.45, and his SVD (Tigr, technically) without any notable issues with either or the Can
    4) zero
    5) dead air wolverine, if you want to suppress an AK or other combloc weapon, it should be first on your list by a large margin. It’s more or less expressly designed as an AK platform suppressor, and dead air put significant engineering in to make sure it was as good as they could make it for its purpose including handling minor concentricity issues and baffle diameter problems
     

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    A few questions. For those that own a suppressed AK would like to ask:

    1. Are the PSA American made AKs concentric enough with quality threads/barrel shoulder good enough to mount a brake and suppressor?

    2. Is it even worth supress an AK. I’ve read they “don’t supress well” and even aren’t hearing safe. Does this echo your personal experience?

    3. Does it cause additional wear and tear beyond what would be acceptable?

    4. Any reliability concerns on ejection and feeding?

    5. What can are you using? I plan to use silencerco but see they don’t sell m14x1 brakes…perhaps because they didn’t want to warranty this gun in particular.

    My plan would be to use either a 36m or hybrid 46. The thought is the larger bore size would minimize risk of baffle strikes which any concentricity issues. Obviously it won’t suppress quite as well but as long as it’s hearing sage i don’t care.

    1. No idea.

    2. Absolutely, yes. It is worth suppressing an AK. All centerfire rifles are loud, even suppressed. Semi’s only more so. Suppressed rifles are better for many things. 🤷‍♂️

    3. It can. Mind your action spring and change it and your hammer spring with good ones on basis that is in line with your level of use. Keep an eye on the rear trunnion and the rear of the carrier to see if your getting signs of peening.

    4. None.

    5. Surefire Socom762-MINI



    I started running a can on my SLR-107CR in early 2014. I planned it out for a while and had Two Rivers chop my gun and then do a pin & weld on a mount to make it 16”. I used that gun hard for a year before the mount came loose and started wobbling against the pin. Come to find out their gunsmith didn’t torque it to the point he should have because “it wouldn’t have looked good”… never minding the fact that Surefire flash hiders don’t have to be clocked. Anyways, they also tried to silver solder it on per ATF specs and fucked that up too. Send your shit to a reputable shop. I still don’t know how I never got a baffle strike…


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    Moving on. After getting an actual gunsmith to do it right I used the shit out of that AK for years doing Run&Guns and whatnot. 7.62x39 suppresses pretty damn well out of 12-16” barrels. You can hear bullets thwacking into javelina at 25yds. I also have a mount for a -107UR but I rarely use my suppressor on that.



    I’d estimate that at this point I’ve had between 8 and 10k through this can on my -107CR. Issue of note: imported 7.62shortcommie is largely garbage ammo and dirty. My 762MINI now weighs more than my new 762RC and it’s starting to sound like crap. Nature of the beast, I guess but centerfire rifle suppressors don’t ‘clean themselves’ like some people say. Outside of Hornady SSTs this gun has seen nothing but Wolf, Tula and Vympel.

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    I never modified the gun other than running Wolff or ALG enhanced action and trigger springs. I haven’t fucked with the gas piston and never wanted to.


    When I redo this carbine I plan to use one of the Dead Air Wolverines. I wish to hell that can had been around when I was setting this carbine up as it is THE ticket for suppressing anything AK. I’ve been able to observe one on a select fire 5.45 krink now for six years with a MG dealer I help run shoots for and it has greatly surprised me with its longevity and how it sounds. It’s also much lighter than my surefire.


    So you want to suppress an AK?

    Just do it.
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    Ek 🤙🏻
     

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    I have no problems with my suppressed AK. Although it’s a CIA one. I got a 14x1 to 5/8-24 thread adapter and then run the silencerco ASR brake with the Omega 30. It’s runs a little dirty but it’s pretty quiet and a hell of a lot of fun to shoot. I know that someone makes and adjustable gas tube as well for AK’s but haven’t gotten one.
     
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    I run an OSS HX QD 762 suppressor occasionally on my WASR 10/63 UF. That gun will run the 196 grain brown bear subs reliably, but the impact shift is ridiculous with and without the can. I think it is absolutely worth suppressing them. Is the action a little louder? Maybe? Very rifle dependant, which unfortunately is just a thing with AK's. They have personalities, some are cool, some are assholes, and some are just a bitch and a half to work with.
     
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    I used a CNC Warrior 24x1.5mm RH to 5/8x24" RH thread adapter to mount an AAC 51T brake mount to run my SDN-6 on all my modern-ish AKs.

    I have a Wolverine in jail that'll be the go to once the stamp comes back, but the thread adapter and SDN-6 has done fine for years in limited use.

    I'm planning to have a KNS adjustable piston put on a spare Saiga bolt carrier I have so I can just swap the carrier out and run the adjustable gas with the can across ~6 or so AKs which use the small bolt stem bolts.
     

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    1. Are the PSA American made AKs concentric enough with quality threads/barrel shoulder good enough to mount a brake and suppressor? - Sorry no experience with PSA AKs but if you already own the gun you can check with a bore alignment rod. Any competent smith can do this when they put the QD muzzle device on.

    2. Is it even worth suppress an AK. I’ve read they “don’t suppress well” and even aren’t hearing safe. Does this echo your personal experience? - Short answer - Yes. I have a few 545s that I run suppressed most of the time. It is a leaky system but with a full size can it can be extremely manageable. I dont think any suppressed supersonic round is hearing safe but I never have any ringing from a 14.5 gun with a AAC SDN6 on it. I have a 11.5 with a AAC mini that is not hearing safe.

    3. Does it cause additional wear and tear beyond what would be acceptable? - The system is so robust that if it's a decent AK I would not be worried about it. I took a class years ago with Jim Fuller and he has an 11.5 that is suppressed and full auto that has not had any major issues after tens of thousands of rounds.

    4. Any reliability concerns on ejection and feeding? - Generally no as the system is overgased anyways. Most of the gan vents down around the top cover. It can be enjoyable to shoot over an overgased AR with gas only exit via the back charging handle port.

    5. What can are you using? I plan to use silencerco but see they don’t sell m14x1 brakes…perhaps because they didn’t want to warranty this gun in particular. - AAC SDN6 and AAC Mini 4.
     
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    I’d estimate that at this point I’ve had between 8 and 10k through this can on my -107CR. Issue of note: imported 7.62shortcommie is largely garbage ammo and dirty. My 762MINI now weighs more than my new 762RC and it’s starting to sound like crap. Nature of the beast, I guess but centerfire rifle suppressors don’t ‘clean themselves’ like some people say. Outside of Hornady SSTs this gun has seen nothing but Wolf, Tula and Vympel.
    sounds like you need that bore tech supressor cleaning kit, get all the crap out and get it running like new again
     

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    Link to cleaning kit? Any personal experience with it and does it actually get shit out of a can?

    It does work but If you have access to a 556 AR just put your can on that and do 2 or 3 mag dumps and it will self clean.
     

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    Yea I’ve thrown my dirty cans on 6.5 creed and fire some rounds through it. After you can rattle the can and hear the loose carbon in it and it will shake out
     

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    few questions. For those that own a suppressed AK would like to ask:

    1. Are the PSA American made AKs concentric enough with quality threads/barrel shoulder good enough to mount a brake and suppressor?

    2. Is it even worth supress an AK. I’ve read they “don’t supress well” and even aren’t hearing safe. Does this echo your personal experience?

    3. Does it cause additional wear and tear beyond what would be acceptable?

    4. Any reliability concerns on ejection and feeding?

    5. What can are you using? I plan to use silencerco but see they don’t sell m14x1 brakes…perhaps because they didn’t want to warranty this gun in particular.

    My plan would be to use either a 36m or hybrid 46. The thought is the larger bore size would minimize risk of baffle strikes which any concentricity issues. Obviously it won’t suppress quite as well but as long as it’s hearing sage i don’t care.
    1) Yes they are concentric (the Kalashikov USA) are as well. You can always have it checked with a gunsmith.
    2) Yes but, I had great results with the DeadAir Wolverine specifically.
    3) Maybe, I used an adjustable gas block.
    4) After the Wolverine and the adjustable gas block, none.
     

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    I've had this old SWR Specwar 762 can lying around doing absolutely nothing for years and my PAP M92 SBR doesn't see much use either so I figured why not see if it'll run suppressed. I bought an adapter to be able to run the muzzle device for the can but I am still waiting on the bore alignment rod to arrive to see if the gas block threads are concentric to the bore, I don't need a baffle or end cap strike. If it aligns then I'll run a few rounds through it to see what I think and then add the KNS Piston to get things properly adjusted. If the threads aren't concentric I'll send it off to have the barrel threaded, but I might do this in the end regardless. I am not too keen on the adapter as there's always a little play in these commie guns with the muzzle device and set pin.

    A 10" SBR turns into a 20" light saber no thanks to the adapter and wickedly long 9" can lol. I don't know how guys can justify throwing a 7.4" Wolverine on the end of the 16.1" non-NFA AK, it's just too damn long. If nothing else it looks cool for now lol.

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    Gotcha. I used the Griffin adapter (indexes off the crown, not the shoulder) and have no doubts about it staying where it needs to be once Rocksetted down. It’s not easily removable, but much less room for error.
     
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    Gotcha. I used the Griffin adapter (indexes off the crown, not the shoulder) and have no doubts about it staying where it needs to be once Rocksetted down. It’s not easily removable, but much less room for error.

    Yea, I simply wanted to see how it looked and decide if I want to pursue it further. Odds are I'll have the barrel threaded should I decide to keep it suppressed.
     
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