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Texas would hold gold backing the currency

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Bills introduced in the Texas House and Senate would create a state-issued, gold-backed digital currency.
Enactment of this legislation would create an option for people to transact business in sound money, set the stage to undermine the Federal Reserve’s monopoly on money and create a viable alternative to a central bank digital currency (CBDC).


 
The constitution in Article I, section 10 reads "No state shall...coin money, emit bills of credit, make any thing but gold and silver a tender in payment of debts..." Wyoming just passed the Legal Tender Act. I can now pay my property taxes with silver based upon spot price.

Edited to add: Wyoming is also considering (might have passed) a provision for a state precious metals depository. I am not sure what the state is thinking about, but the precious metals market in the US is controlled by a handful of people. Heck, there is already more money in gold and silver backed IRA's than there is gold and silver to go around at the current spot price. So, if every one with gold backed IRA's decided to cash out, what would happen to the price of gold? It would drop from $2000.00 per ounce to...
 
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How about illegal alien slave labor backed currency, it would be undervalued.
Oh wait that was part of the civil war as well.
 
There isn't enough gold on the planet to back even a fraction of the economy.

At the current price yes, but if it's revalued to a real price it could easily back the world economy. Might need $10m per oz gold but it is possible.

All global currency, debt, unfunded liabilities, and derivatives divided by global supply of gold = real price. The reset of economies to set up a gold backed world currency where a global blockchain manages global trade digitally would require a global audit of gold though. To ensure transparency the gold ounces produced by each country for the audit would need to be locked in so the total gold used in the system is set forever at the time of creation so we don't have countries mining the planet to increase the supply or stealing gold deposits from other countries. After the creation of the system the gold is no longer needed. We would have a deflationary system that promotes balanced budgets and wise spending. Could potentially limit wars because countries have no way to earn more money than through trade and wars are expensive especially if you lose.

Likely never going to happen but it's not impossible in my mind.
 
How about illegal alien slave labor backed currency, it would be undervalued.
Oh wait that was part of the civil war as well.

Slaves were the most valuable single asset category in the antebellum south!

That’s why Democrats never forgave Republicans for emancipating their nestegg.

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Wonder how Texas will afford the gold
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Guess those property taxes will be going up again
Texas has more gold than the US Treasury... They started building those reserves 30 years ago. People thought they were crazy. Today American's don't pay attention to the amount of gold China is holding. A fatal mistake.
 
The constitution in Article I, section 10 reads "No state shall...coin money, emit bills of credit, make any thing but gold and silver a tender in payment of debts..." Wyoming just passed the Legal Tender Act. I can now pay my property taxes with silver based upon spot price.

Edited to add: Wyoming is also considering (might have passed) a provision for a state precious metals depository. I am not sure what the state is thinking about, but the precious metals market in the US is controlled by a handful of people. Heck, there is already more money in gold and silver backed IRA's than there is gold and silver to go around at the current spot price. So, if every one with gold backed IRA's decided to cash out, what would happen to the price of gold? It would drop from $2000.00 per ounce to...
LOL... "The Constitution"... Seems it is amended, re-written or interpreted differently every day.
Rome is burning.
 
Texas has more gold than the US Treasury... They started building those reserves 30 years ago. People thought they were crazy. Today American's don't pay attention to the amount of gold China is holding. A fatal mistake.

Got a link to that? Nothing is coming up so I'm calling bs.....

Only thing I can find is this with a .gov address which clearly states the state of Texas owns 0 gold....

 
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You are attempting to waste my time... Better luck next time.

Did you read they have 0 gold? So if they don't own any that would mean they would need to buy some from the market....


And who in their right mind who store their personal precious metals there f that noise
 
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If only the bruddahs hadn't bought all those huge bling necklaces :(

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Did you read they have 0 gold? So if they don't own any that would mean they would need to buy some from the market....


And who in their right mind who store their personal precious metals there f that noise
After the collapse of the United States the organizations holding physical gold will rebuild what is left of America.
The currency they will deal in will be backed by gold.
History repeating. America was built on currency backed by silver and gold.
China will be a player with the gold they hold.
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This link is over 13 years old. Imagine how much bullion they now hold.
 
Might need $10m per oz gold but it is possible

Yeah that's not gonna happen.

After the collapse of the United States the organizations holding physical gold will rebuild what is left of America.
The currency they will deal in will be backed by gold.
History repeating. America was built on currency backed by silver and gold.
China will be a player with the gold they hold.
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This link is over 13 years old. Imagine how much bullion they now hold.

They would need over a billion ounces at current prices to back up their entire economy. A limited currency could work though.
 
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I couldn't possibly be the only person, who has noticed all these old accounts that seemed dormant are coming alive like a zombie.
Notice that there are more young people reading ancient history.
Your observation is valid... Probably about 8% notice what is transpiring.
The rest have ordered Door Dash and are watching a streaming movie.
Best leave them in their "Happy Place".... Reality is a scary place these days.

A lot of lurkers watching this conversation:
 
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Estimating The True Size Of China's Gold Reserves​

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Summary​

  • For estimating the true size of the gold reserves of the Chinese central bank, we first need to make a clear distinction between monetary gold and non-monetary gold.
  • Given China is the second largest economy in the world, it has massive foreign exchange reserves but little gold reserves relative to total reserves, it’s the proverbial elephant in the gold market.
  • For traders in the international gold market, there is no doubt that the People’s Bank of China (PBoC) has bought a part of the 400 tonnes of gold.

Precious metals and currency investment concept : Gold colored iron ore on a China yuan money.



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According to my analysis, the Chinese central bank owned 4,309 tonnes of gold on December 31, 2022, which is more than double than what is officially disclosed. My estimate would make China the second largest gold reserve country after the US. The Chinese private sector holds 23,745 tonnes, bringing the total amount of gold in China to 28,054 tonnes.

China and European countries are in agreement to equalize their ratios of monetary gold relative to GDP in order to prepare for a global gold standard.

Introduction​


For estimating the true size of the gold reserves of the Chinese central bank (the People’s Bank of China, PBoC), we first need to make a clear distinction between monetary gold (owned by a central bank) and non-monetary gold (owned by the private sector). Without getting into the exact mechanics of the Chinese gold market here, suffice to say that only non-monetary gold imports into China are publicly disclosed. These imports are required to be sold first through the Shanghai Gold Exchange (SGE), and for tax and liquidity reasons virtually all other supply (mine and recycled gold) in China is sold through the SGE as well. On the demand side, private market participants acquire gold at the SGE. It’s unlikely the PBoC buys at the SGE.

Any analysis about the PBoC’s gold reserves based on known import numbers and domestic mine supply is flawed, therefore. It’s true that in the past the PBoC was the primary gold dealer in China—being the monopoly wholesale buyer and seller—but this has changed since the Chinese gold market was liberalized with the launch of the SGE in 2002.

These are the reasons why the PBoC doesn’t buy gold on the SGE:

1. The PBoC wants to diversify its foreign exchange reserves—worth more than $3 trillion at the time of writing—by buying gold mainly with US dollars. Gold on the SGE is exclusively quoted in renminbi: not suitable for the PBoC.

2. As we shall see the PBoC prefers to buy gold covertly. If it buys gold abroad with US dollars, the monetary gold is exempt from being reported in international customs data when crossing borders (non-monetary gold is not exempt). Buying abroad allows the PBoC to purchase and repatriate gold without leaving a trace in the public realm.

3. Gold on the SGE often trades at a premium. The PBoC is more likely to buy gold that is priced lower abroad.

4. In 2015 I was in contact with a precious metals trader at a large Chinese state-owned bank. He told me that the PBoC buys gold through Chinese proxy banks, such as the one he worked for, in the global OTC market from bullion banks and refineries in, for example, South Africa and Switzerland. Not at the SGE.

Another person I had the opportunity to converse within 2015, let’s call him Mister-X, worked at one of the big consultancy firms. He was well connected in the industry. Somewhat similar to my Chinese source, he told to me the PBoC uses proxies to purchase gold in the London OTC gold market.

Early 2017, author and gold commentator Jim Rickards met with three heads of the precious metals departments of large Chinese banks. Rickards stated in the Gold Chronicles podcast published January 17, 2017 (25:00):

What I don’t know is about the Shanghai Gold Exchange sales, they’re pretty transparent, how much of that is private and how much of that is the government [PBoC]. And I was sort of guessing 50/50, 70/30, whatever. What they told me, and these guys are the dealers, it’s 100% private. Meaning, the government operates through completely separate channels. The government does not operate through the Shanghai Gold Exchange. … None of what’s going on the Shanghai Gold Exchange is going to the People’s Bank of China.

Lastly, in 2014 the President of the SGE Transaction Department said in interview:

The PBoC does not buy gold through the SGE.

Until I bump into evidence convincing me of the opposite, my conclusion is the PBoC doesn’t buy gold on the SGE and thus all known supplies in China (import, mine output, recycled gold) must be eliminated from our analysis for estimating the PBoC’s true holdings. Most likely, the PBoC buys gold abroad and from there ships it to vaults in Beijing.

Estimating PBoC Gold Reserves​


Let us first have a look at what the PBoC has disclosed in the past.

China International Reserves

Given China is the second largest economy in the world, it has massive foreign exchange reserves but little gold reserves relative to total reserves, it’s the proverbial elephant in the gold market.

We often see long periods of no purchases and then a sudden large increase in reserves, which suggests they mostly buy by stealth. In June 2015 the Chinese central bank disclosed to have 1,658 tonnes, up from 1,054 tonnes a month prior. Obviously, 604 tonnes weren’t bought in one month.

On one hand, the PBoC wants to show the world they are buying gold to catch up with the West, support renminbi internationalization, and move away from the dollar. On the other hand, they don’t want to disclose too much, or they would rock the gold market and drive the price up, which is not in their interest, yet. The Chinese central bank’s interest is to accumulate gold for itself, but it also has a policy of “storing gold among the people” to strengthen China’s economic security (source, page 27). If the price rises, China as a whole can buy less gold.

In March 2013, deputy Chinese central bank governor Yi Gang told the press:

If the Chinese government were to buy too much gold, gold prices would surge, a scenario that will hurt Chinese consumers.

We will always keep gold in mind as an option in reserve assets and investments.

We are able to import 500-600 tons a year, or more, but we will also take into consideration a stable gold market.

Some analysts have interpreted the “500–600 tonnes a year” as what the PBoC buys every single year. It’s more likely, though, Yi referred to the weight imported in 2012 by the Chinese private sector and the PBoC in aggregate. Global cross-border statistics show countries net exported 590 tonnes in non-monetary gold to China in 2012. Add whatever the PBoC bought, and you get “500–600 tonnes a year, or more.”

Another argument why the PBoC doesn’t buy 500 tonnes every year is because the gold market is in constant flux. If the price goes up the PBoC can’t buy much for reasons just mentioned. If the price goes down the PBoC can purchase hundreds of tonnes on sale.

In a previous article, I have explained that for at least 90 years the gold price is set in the West. The East dampens volatility by ramping up purchases when the price declines, and lowering purchases when the price rises. Many countries in Asia, like Thailand, even turn into net sellers when the price goes up. This analysis rhymes with Yi’s remarks from 2013: the Chinese don’t set the gold price. (In late 2022 and January 2023, Chinese buying was strong while the price went up, but it’s too soon to confirm a trend reversal.)

After having researched the true size of the PBoC’s gold hoard for some years now, I conclude there is but one approach to get close to what they actually have: through intelligence from those dealing with the PBoC: bullion bankers and people at refineries and secure logistics companies around the world. The following analysis is solely based on industry sources.

Every quarter the World Gold Council (WGC) publishes the Gold Demand Trends (GDT) report, which contains statistics provided by Metals Focus (MF) on mining output, scrap supply, newly fabricated jewelry sold, retail bar demand, ETF hoarding or dishoarding, etc. In these reports there is a single sum divulged for the official sector: a net purchase or sale by all central banks and international financial institutions, such as the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), International Monetary Fund (IMF), and European Central Bank (ECB), combined. This is an estimate based on MF’s field research and doesn’t necessarily align with what central banks openly declare. From the WGC:

Central banks

Net purchases (i.e. gross purchases less gross sales) by central banks and other official sector institutions, including supra national entities such as the IMF. Swaps … are excluded.

A … vital source is confidential information [by MF] regarding unrecorded sales and purchases.

For example, when MF—a consultancy firm in close contact with bullion bankers and people at refineries and secure logistics companies around the world—judges the PBoC bought 50 tonnes in Q1 2023, this tonnage will be attributed to official sector activity in its respective GDT report.

By comparing MF’s official sector estimates to what the official sector publishes, we can deduct what’s bought surreptitiously. People familiar with the matter, but prefer to stay anonymous, told me that the majority of these clandestine acquisitions can be ascribed to the Chinese central bank. Saudi Arabia is also known for buying in secret. Let’s say 80% of the difference between MF’s data and the official numbers released by the IMF are PBoC acquisitions.

Since 2010, when MF’s estimates started, the gross difference has mushroomed to 1,945 tonnes, as can be seen in the chart below.

Official Sector Purchases (in Tonnes, Accumulated)

For the data “reported by the IMF,” I added the holdings of all central banks, the ECB, IMF, and the BIS’ total holdings, as noted in the WGC’s “Quarterly times series on World Official Gold Reserves since 2000.” Of this total, I subtracted the gold swaps (taken from the annual and monthly reports) of the BIS, because MF doesn’t consider these when estimating official sector buying. The resulting series differs from the IMF’s “World” series.

The PBoC thus holds at least 1,556 tonnes (80% of 1,945 tonnes) more than what they disclosed last December (2,010 tonnes), which totals 3,566 tonnes. But how do we know what happened before 2010 when MF’s data begins?

Mister-X told me in 2015 that it was very difficult for his company to go on record with what they truly think the Chinese central bank owns. The PBoC is very influential and upsetting them would make his company’s operations in the mainland impossible. Though he told me that when the PBoC announced to have 1,658 tonnes in June 2015, his firm estimated that in reality, they held twice as much (3,317 tonnes). I’m tempted to believe Mister-X because this tonnage would make more sense than the official number relative to, i.e., China’s vast foreign exchange reserves. If we assume the PBoC held 3,317 tonnes in June 2015, and we add 80% of the furtive investments trailed by MF since then, we arrive at 4,309 tonnes on December 31, 2022.

central bank gold reserves dec 2022

How much gold did the PBoC buy covertly before 2010? According to my math, they did 1,700 tonnes in unreported procurements from the 1990s, when the PBoC held 395 tonnes, until 2010*.

The further back in time the more interesting it gets. After China’s hardline communist leader Mao Zedong died in 1976, a more market-oriented economy was structured under the guidance of Deng Xiaoping. Individual gold prospecting was allowed in 1978 (source, page 97), though all output was required to be sold to the PBoC.

In 1983, the Bank of China—the PBoC’s commercial arm that handled overseas operations (source, page 98)—exported 120 tonnes of the PBoC’s gold, sourced from domestic mining, to London to exchange for dollars.

China’s new economic model soon bore fruit. Instead of having to sell domestic mine output to raise foreign exchange, the PBoC was buying gold in London from the Dutch Central Bank (DNB) in 1992. An article in Dutch Newspaper NRC Handelsblad from March 27, 1993, about a 400 tonnes gold sale from DNB is profoundly informative:

For traders in the international gold market, there is no doubt that the People’s Bank of China (PBoC) has bought a part of the 400 tonnes of gold,… which DNB has sold late last year [1992] in utmost secrecy.

“With 99 percent certainty we know that the People’s Bank of China has been one of the buyers of the Dutch gold”, said Philip Klapwijk from Goldfields Mining Services… Also, other London bullion dealers have a strong suspicion that China was involved in the gold sales of DNB. “We have noted that the Chinese central bank has bought gold in recent months”, said John Coley of the London bullion dealer Sharp Pixley and spokesman of the London Bullion Market Association.

On 29 September Duisenberg [DNB President] sent a letter to Kok [Dutch Minister of Finance] in which he explained that the sale was intended “to equalize our gold holdings relative to other important gold holding nations.”

Kok agreed on 2 October and in the fall several sales transaction followed in the London forward market. The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) acted as an intermediary.

Duisenberg expanded on the gold sales at a BIS meeting on January 12, 1993. The sale had already taken place, only the gold had yet to be delivered. Not all members of the BIS welcomed the Dutch move, nor were they consulted for its decision.

It’s impossible DNB entered the gold market itself because this would immediately leak in the closed world of gold trading. The few remaining Dutch players in the gold market are tiny. In London, there are four major gold traders: Sharps Pixley, Samuel Montague, Mase Westpac and Rothschild. According to John Coley, spokesman of the London Bullion Market Association, it was obvious that DNB would use the BIS as an intermediary. Duisenberg is very well known in Basel because he was President of The Board of the BIS from 1988 to 1990.

“Part of the sale was handled off the market”, says Philip Klapwijk… He says he came to this conclusion because the price of gold last year, although slightly down, should have shown much greater fluctuations if 400 tonnes had been sold in the market…

The BIS probably contacted the People’s Bank of China as the buyer. Why the People’s Republic of China? “The Chinese love gold,” says an expert, and he refers to the huge Taiwanese gold purchases in 1987. Second, China has large dollar surpluses as a result of spectacular economic growth. And third, China announced that it is working to build up its reserves in order to bring it more in line with the size of Chinese GDP.

Presumably, the increase in China’s gold reserves will never be visible. The statistics produced by the IMF for China record the same amount of gold for a decade [395 tonnes] …. China experts, however, know that the People’s Bank has additional secret gold reserves, which are held outside the statistics … If part of the gold reserves of DNB have been added to these, as many suspect, no one will ever officially know.

NRC Handelsblad is a respected newspaper in the Netherlands. Knowledge by industry insiders with respect to covert PBoC acquisitions as early as 1992, may explain how the Chinese central bank had accumulated a total of 3,317 tonnes by 2015. To give you an idea, DNB sold 400 tonnes in 1992 and an additional 700 tonnes in the following years. Other European central banks sold another 3,000 tonnes over this period (“to equalize … gold holdings relative to other important gold holding nations”). Not all could have been bought by the PBoC, but still. In the 1990s the gold price was declining so there were more sellers than buyers: a situation the PBoC has likely exploited.

The PBoC had the opportunity to buy substantial amounts of gold, in and off the market, for decades. It’s not evident all this gold was added to secret monetary reserves, though. Liberalization of the Chinese gold market, initiated in 2002, wasn’t completed until 2007. Chairman of the SGE Shen Xiangrong stated in 2003:

Although four large domestic banks were granted approval to import and export gold back in 2002, they have not yet started these cross-border activities, and the PBOC still remains the only bridge connecting the international bullion market with China.

Any shortfall in domestic mine and scrap supply to meet private demand in the mainland, from 1982 when jewelry sales were first allowed by the Communist Party, up until at least until 2003, was supplemented by gold imports by the PBoC. Even if we knew exactly how much the PBoC imported since 1992, we would only know the amount it accumulated for itself after offsetting those purchases against supply shortfalls in the domestic market.

Estimating China’s Private Gold Reserves​


How the Chinese populace has accumulated 23,745 tonnes.

China became a net importer of gold somewhere in the 1990s, according to the China Gold Market Report 2010 that was co-authored by the PBoC. This means Chinese domestic mine production hasn’t crossed a border afterwards.


China Gold Import 2010

China Gold Market Report 2010. “Mineral gold” is mine output and “Others” refers to import. The central bank didn’t buy or sell gold from/to the domestic market in 2010. China probably became a net importer in 1992 (see previous chapter).


Precious Metals Insights (PMI) estimates that 2,500 tonnes of gold where held by the population in the mainland in 1994, which is the “jewelry base” we will start off with.

By 2004 the formal prohibition on bullion possession for Chinese people was lifted and private investment took off. In 2007, the Chinese gold market functioned as was intended by the PBoC, as total supply and demand went through the SGE that year for the first time. The China Gold Association (CGA) Yearbook 2007 states (page 39):

2007年,上海黄金交易所黄金入库量394.855 吨,即我国当年的黄金实际供给量

In 2007, the gold storage volume at the Shanghai Gold Exchange was 394.855 tonnes, that is, the actual supply of gold that year …

2007年,上海黄金交易所黄金出库量363.194 吨,即我国当年的黄金需求量,

The amount of gold withdrawn from the warehouses of the Shanghai Gold Exchange in 2007, the total gold demand of that year, was 363.194 tonnes …

因而2007年出现了31.661吨未能交割的库存,

Therefore, there was 31.661 tons of undelivered [SGE] inventory in 2007…

Before 2007 not all supply and demand moved through the SGE, according to CGA Gold Yearbooks, indicating the PBoC was still involved in the allocation of metal. We shall assume that starting in 2007 the PBoC was no longer interfering in the market.

To calculate private reserves, I have added annual mine production and non-monetary import since 1994 to the jewelry base. From this total, I have subtracted openly declared additions by the PBoC from before 2007, because these were presumably sourced, in part, from domestic mines. My methodology is not perfect, but it will do.

The chart below is the result of my calculations on China’s official and private reserves from 1994 through 2022. All shades of blue are private reserves; red is central bank reserves.

Estimated Private & Official Chinese Gold Reserves

Estimated Private and Official Chinese Gold Reserves

Conclusion​


All in all, 4,309 tonnes for China’s official gold reserves is the best estimate I can come up with. Not unrealistic, because from the moment China’s economy started expanding in the 1990s, and it ran a persistent current account surplus, it had sufficient foreign exchange reserves to buy gold with, and there was a drive to catch up with other large economies.

There is no doubt in my mind that PBoC bought gold from DNB in 1992. In addition to the evidence in NRC Handelsblad, it’s cited in DNB’s Annual Report 1992 that “demand in the Far-East was strong” when they sold 400 tonnes.

Previously, I have demonstrated on these pages that European central banks have been preparing for a global gold standard since the 1970s through equalizing their monetary gold to GDP ratios. Balanced gold to GDP ratios will smooth the transition to a gold standard (or gold price targeting system) if the current international monetary system is stretched beyond its limits. The Chinese were in on this plan since the 1990s.

China communicated in 1993 (source, NRC Handelsblad) to “build up its [gold] reserves in order to bring it more in line with the size of Chinese GDP.” The significance of this statement is that it can’t be viewed in isolation. Gold is an internationally traded commodity, and its price is the same in everywhere. The Chinese didn’t say, “we aim to have gold reserves worth [i.e.] 10% of our GDP,” because they can buy gold and grow their economy, at the end of the day the gold price is what determines their gold to GDP ratio. What China implicitly said was that it’s aiming to bring its gold to GDP ratio more in line with other countries.

DNB’s Annual Report 1992 states (emphasis mine): “Within the EC [European Community], the Netherlands was and is, when gold reserves are compared to GDP, one of the largest gold holding countries. On this basis, the Bank [DNB] lowered its gold stock from 1707 tonnes to 1307 tonnes in the fall of 1992.” We know DNB eventually lowered its reserves to 612 tonnes, bringing it close to the European average (currently 4% of GDP).

In the early 1990s, both the Netherlands and China were candid about equalizing their gold reserves relative to GDP internationally. However, when I asked DNB in 2020 about the reason for past gold sales, they evaded the subject. My question:

Is it true that DNB wanted to achieve a more balanced distribution of official gold reserves worldwide with the sales of its gold since 1992?

Answer:

De Nederlandsche Bank (DNB) weighs several factors in forming an opinion on the total amount of gold in its possession .... We believe that … the current amount [is] balanced at this time. Furthermore, we have no insight into the motivation of other central banks to be able to make statements about their gold reserves and gold policy.

A nonsensical answer because we know gold sales were coordinated in Europe and the overarching policy was balancing reserves.

Why did this become a secret? Duisenberg must have agitated the US when he expanded on DNB’s sales to China at the BIS meeting on January 12, 1993. In NRC Handelsblad we read: “Not all members of the BIS welcomed the Dutch move…” Major economies balancing gold reserves, ready to be deployed during a dollar crisis to transit to new monetary system, is not in America's best interest to say the least. It’s feasible the countries that agreed on balancing gold reserves silenced themselves to avoid conflict with Uncle Sam.

Because we know about an international effort of equalizing reserves, DNB selling gold to China in 1992 made sense as the Netherlands had too much gold (1,707 tonnes) and China too little (395 tonnes), both of their Gross Domestic Product being roughly the same.


CN NL GDP

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On the non-monetary side, China wants private gold reserves to be proportionate to its peers too. Sun Zhaoxue, President of the China Gold Association, wrote in 2012 in Qiushi magazine (the main academic journal of the Chinese Communist Party’s Central Committee):

as an important part of China’s gold reserve system, we should also encourage individuals to invest in gold. Practice has proven that private gold reserves are an effective supplement to official reserves and are very important for maintaining national financial security. World Gold Council statistics show that Chinese individuals possess less than 5 grams of gold per capita, a significant difference to the global average of more than 20 grams.

Multiplying 5 grams by 1.3 billion people (the Chinese population in 2012) equals nearly 7,000 tonnes, which matches my estimate of Chinese private reserves held at the end of 2011. My estimate for Chinese private reserves in 2022 is nearly 24,000 tonnes, divided by 1.4 billion people (the Chinese population in 2022), equals 17 grams per capita. China’s non-monetary gold reserves are close to the global average.

China’s monetary gold to GDP ratio (computed with 4,309 tonnes) is 1.5%, which is still lower than 2% in the US and 4% in the eurozone. It’s clear that now is the time for the PBoC to speed up buying. One, China is still behind in its relative gold holdings vis-à-vis Western powers. Two, Russia’s dollar assets were frozen due to the war in Ukraine and the Chinese don’t want to suffer to same fate. Three, the Chinese population has accumulated enough already. Remember Yi Gang was considering private hoarding when he deliberated on how much the PBoC was able to buy in 2013? That doesn’t have to be an issue anymore. Tellingly, the PBoC bought a staggering 522 tonnes in 2022 (based on MF data), which was supportive of the gold price. I think future PBoC procurements, mostly from Russia I suspect, will be supportive of the gold price as well.

*According to MF’s data the PBoC bought 1,556 tonnes from January 2010 until December 2022. Meaning, in 2010 the PBoC held 1,556 tonnes less than 4,309 (my estimate for 2022), which is 2,754 tonnes. Officially, the PBoC owned 395 tonnes in 1982. From then until 2010 the PBoC bought 659 tonnes, according to public records. The difference between my estimates and the official data on purchases over this period is 1,700 tonnes.

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They would need over a billion ounces at current prices to back up their entire economy. A limited currency could work though.
 
Texas has more gold than the US Treasury... They started building those reserves 30 years ago. People thought they were crazy. Today American's don't pay attention to the amount of gold China is holding. A fatal mistake.

So just so the masses following along at home understand.... This post is straight fake news....


Carry on boomer
 
A blind man could see this coming:

Bills introduced in the Texas House and Senate would create a state-issued, gold-backed digital currency.
Enactment of this legislation would create an option for people to transact business in sound money, set the stage to undermine the Federal Reserve’s monopoly on money and create a viable alternative to a central bank digital currency (CBDC).


This has all the brains and commitment of the Uvalde Police Dept.
 
So just so the masses following along at home understand.... This post is straight fake news....


Carry on boomer
The Utah Legal Tender Act, passed March 10, 2011, recognizes gold and silver coins issued by the United States[1] as legal tender in the state of Utah.[2] This includes allowing the state of Utah to pay off debts in gold and silver and allowing individuals to transact in gold and silver coins without paying state capital gains tax,[3] among other provisions.[4] The bill was introduced as HB317 by State Representative Brad J. Galvez.[5]
 
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The Utah Legal Tender Act, passed March 10, 2011, recognizes gold and silver coins issued by the United States[1] as legal tender in the state of Utah.[2] This includes allowing the state of Utah to pay off debts in gold and silver and allowing individuals to transact in gold and silver coins without paying state capital gains tax,[3] among other provisions.[4] The bill was introduced as HB317 by State Representative Brad J. Galvez.[5]
What does that have to do with Texas not owning gold to start a new currency?🤣
 
Anyone who would accept digital currency as the only way to transact business should just hang themselves now. You would be giving up total control to the Government. Please drink a can of get right and un-fuck yourself.
 
Anyone who would accept digital currency as the only way to transact business should just hang themselves now. You would be giving up total control to the Government. Please drink a can of get right and un-fuck yourself.
Agreed.
Fiat currency is bad.....but not near as bad as digital currency.
Most of our money is already ones and zeros.
 
Anyone who would accept digital currency as the only way to transact business should just hang themselves now. You would be giving up total control to the Government. Please drink a can of get right and un-fuck yourself.

You won't be given a choice.
Currency will be demonetized and any money you have in the banks will be converted over like it or not.
 
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There isn't enough gold on the planet to back even a fraction of the economy.

It's a pipe dream.

Want gold and silver! Buy it! It's a steal right now, IMHO.

But national economies (and states as big as Texas...) there is no way to run a physical-gold-backed economy. Period.

Sirhr
The world runs on a plutonium backed economy now.
 
Agreed.
Fiat currency is bad.....but not near as bad as digital currency.
Most of our money is already ones and zeros.
You won't be given a choice.
Currency will be demonetized and any money you have in the banks will be converted over like it or not.
A convenient method of controlling those necessary but annoying serfs. If they get out of line just cut off their account and starve them into submission.
 
I know several years ago Glenn Hagar Texas Comptroller was shopping bids to hold all of Texas’s gold reserves.
These folks were in the final 3 choices…. Note some of the companies that is under their umbrell!


They did not win the bid but IIRC they could handle 8 billion
 
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The Constitution literally, and very specifically, prevents the States from creating a currency not of silver or gold. I sincerely doubt if 'gold backed' would pass scrutiny.

While I say that, it's not like the courts have upheld the Constitution for other things, so...

But this is unlikely to be one they'd ignore, we all know the courts tend to prefer a Federal State, and there is precedence to that effect.

I'm hardly an expert on the subject, so by all means do your own research, but to my best recollection -- be it many years old, SCOTUS has basically set the precedent that Congress has absolute power over currency including the ability to tax any State currency so prohibitively as to moot it. So even if a State does create a currency that is acceptable under Constitutional law the Federal government could simply tax the currency out of existence.

Whatever the case, playing with fire. Given the recent history of politics it's more likely the State would take all your money in exchange for their new currency, have tens of billions of your USD$, then the Fed would tax out your new Texas coin and the end result would be you broke and Texas politicians soaking up billions while pointing the finger at the big bad Fed. Those spineless fucks can't even stand up to men swinging their dicks in the faces of little girls in bathrooms -- I don't know why anyone would think they'd stand up to defend your wallet.
 
But it's no longer money, it's a reserve, or debt note. Just call it something else and the courts will ignore it. ObamaCare = It's a fucking tax?
 
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Folks be thinking their Gold or Silver "independent currency" or their independent "Gold Backed" or "Silver Backed" currency is going to save them HA!

The Global Elites love suckers that try that because they have and will crush them into the ground and bankrupt them.
(that's if they don't get the USA to go bomb them into the stone age for at the expense of the taxpayers. Notice Qaddafi went from okay we are buddies now and we are building a new CIA headquarters next to your police Buildng, to: must kill him immediately, the moment he started pushing an african gold based currency?)

Do a bit of reading back for a couple hundred years and read up how the Global Elites gained control of all the money in the world.
 
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No no no! We don’t want any digital currency at all!

LOL...Hey, No Worries buddy .. When the participating IMF Governments finish beating economies into the ground with collapsing debt and acceleration of poverty. The majority the planets Sheep will be begging for economic relief, and the IMF, World Bank and all multilateral banks will miraculously ride to the rescue with Digitized Trillions for economic equality, guaranteeing a standard of living where all are financially equal living at the lowest common denominator. Thus fulfilling Orwell's prophecy of ..." a Boot stamping on a human face - Forever ".
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LOL...Hey, No Worries buddy .. When the participating IMF Governments finish beating economies into the ground with collapsing debt and acceleration of poverty. The majority the planets Sheep will be begging for economic relief, and the IMF, World Bank and all multilateral banks will miraculously ride to the rescue with Digitized Trillions for economic equality, guaranteeing a standard of living where all are financially equal living at the lowest common denominator. Thus fulfilling Orwell's prophecy of ..." a Boot stamping on a human face - Forever ".
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Sadly...
 
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There isn't enough gold on the planet to back even a fraction of the economy.

It's a pipe dream.

Want gold and silver! Buy it! It's a steal right now, IMHO.

But national economies (and states as big as Texas...) there is no way to run a physical-gold-backed economy. Period.

Sirhr
As long as a hard currency is easily fungible, it can be the backing for an economy of any size. Especially is silver will be included along with gold. The only thing that will matter is a way to protect against dilution of the money
 
As long as a hard currency is easily fungible, it can be the backing for an economy of any size. Especially is silver will be included along with gold. The only thing that will matter is a way to protect against dilution of the money
True. We are seeing that today with the trade between Russian and China.
 
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But it's no longer money, it's a reserve, or debt note. Just call it something else and the courts will ignore it. ObamaCare = It's a fucking tax?
That only works for the evil ones. Decent people will not be allowed to rule themselves.
You are literally a hater for suggesting you don't want to be part of this great awakening.
You may as well be a slave owner......
 
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Care to elaborate ? Suggestions ?
You just let the banksters do whatever they want, wait for a few sternly worded letters from a few toothless committees, and…wish
 
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You just let the banksters do whatever they want, wait for a few sternly worded letters from a few toothless committees, and…wish
The career politician's are controlled by the banksters.... This will lead to the downfall.
At that point both the politicians and banksters will have no power.
They will have lost control.
 
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The career politician's are controlled by the banksters.... This will lead to the downfall.
At that point both the politicians and banksters will have no power.
They will have lost control.
You assume they can’t think that far ahead and haven’t had plans at the ready for several years
 
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You assume they can’t think that far ahead and haven’t had plans at the ready for several years
You are correct. The banksters and politician's have no forward looking plan.
The enemies of America have a well laid plan and are very patient.
When America stepped into a war in southeast Asia they were told "Be prepared to stay 1,000 years and eat rice".